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Rice rises, Clinton slips in poll
Times Union ^ | 21 February 2006 | STEWART M. POWELL

Posted on 02/20/2006 7:11:12 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

WASHINGTON -- Growing numbers of Americans oppose a presidential bid by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., in 2008 -- and favor a run by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice -- amid broad public willingness to elect a woman president, according to a nationwide poll released Sunday. Advertisement

The President's Day survey conducted for Hearst Newspapers by the Siena Research Institute of Siena College in Loudonville, covered 1,120 registered voters and was completed Feb. 10.

Some 48 percent of survey participants said Rice "should run" for president at the conclusion of President Bush's two terms -- an increase of 6 percentage points over a similar survey a year ago.

But Clinton saw opposition to her own presidential bid grow over the same period. Some 44 percent of survey respondents now say that Clinton "should not run" for president in 2008 -- up from 37 percent who felt that way last year.

The percentage of registered voters who say Clinton "should run" slipped from 53 percent to 51 percent over the past year, as support for a Rice candidacy increased, from 42 percent to 48 percent.

The survey found that 79 percent of participants were willing to vote for a woman as president and 64 percent said the nation was "ready" for one.

The survey did not test a head-to-head race between Clinton and Rice.

The margin of error for the survey in both years was 2.9 percentage points. That could mean that Clinton's 2 percentage point drop in the "should run" category may not represent an actual change.

The survey found that a majority of registered voters thought a woman president would handle national security-related issues as well as a male president, including serving as commander-in-chief of the armed service.

Douglas A. Lonnstrom, director of the Siena Research Institute, said the findings coupled with results from a comparable poll by his organization last year suggest the nation is on the cusp of a dramatic political change.

"As things stand now, I see a real possibility that a woman will be elected president in 2008," said Lonnstrom, a professor of finance and statistics and member of the American Association for Public Opinion Research. "Disapproval of President Bush has opened voters' eyes to alternatives -- and women benefit from that."

The latest nationwide Gallup Poll showed 56 percent of respondents disapproving of Bush's job performance and 39 percent approving -- the third lowest approval rating of his presidency.

Sally Friedman, a political scientist at the State University of New York at Albany, cautioned that the generic support for a woman president reflected in the poll could decline when voters get closer to weighing the strengths and weaknesses of actual candidates.

"Right now the election is more than two years away and pretty hypothetical," said Friedman, who studies women in politics. "That will change, the closer we get."

The survey detected a wide disparity of views between Democrats and Republicans, with 91 percent of Democrats expressing their willingness to elect a woman compared to 68 percent of Republicans.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008polls; condi; hildebeaste; hillary2008; hitlery; poll; rice; rice2008
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Any chance of a bloke getting it?
1 posted on 02/20/2006 7:11:15 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher
I'm afraid Rice will lose her tolerance for the ad homonym attacks she is increasingly experiencing and will decline to run.Just imagine what they'd be like during the campaign.
2 posted on 02/20/2006 7:16:04 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: luvbach1

She has already declined to run repeatedly.


3 posted on 02/20/2006 7:16:57 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Aussie Dasher; All

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MICHAEL SAVAGE today:

With HILLARY as President,
BILL CLINTON will not be sleeping in the Lincoln bedroon, he will be plotting. Talk Radio will be dead.

And we might add,
...so will internet speak be dead.

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4 posted on 02/20/2006 7:17:01 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Aussie Dasher
The survey found that 79 percent of participants were willing to vote for a woman as president...

The more interesting statistic implied is that 21% were NOT willing to vote for a woman president. Which means the female candidate would be competing for votes only within a 79% subset of the population. I daresay the percentage of people willing to vote for a male as president is somewhere close to 100%.

5 posted on 02/20/2006 7:17:22 PM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: Mia T

ping


6 posted on 02/20/2006 7:19:14 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Graybeard58
She has already declined to run repeatedly.

True, but people still keeping matching her up with Hittlery. I don't think she will run for the reason I stated.

7 posted on 02/20/2006 7:19:37 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"Condoleezza will lead us, brother"


8 posted on 02/20/2006 7:20:29 PM PST by The Fop (They attacked 2 of America's main arteries, so we invaded the heart of Arabia. It's that simple)
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To: The Fop

Not until she modifies her views on abortion, she won't!


9 posted on 02/20/2006 7:21:45 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: luvbach1

She has said that the job she wants is, Commisionier of the N.F.L.

If she ever runs for any office we can be sure that democrats, racists that they are, will attack her. They will get a free pass to do this because, well, because they are democrats.


10 posted on 02/20/2006 7:26:03 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: luvbach1

Hillary and Rice will not run.


11 posted on 02/20/2006 7:26:42 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Aussie Dasher; All

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NEVER FORGET


After HILLARY RODHAM & WILLIAM CLINTON proactively supported our Communist terrorist enemy, North Vietnam Dicatator HO CHI MINH, ...against Freedom for South Vietnam during the Vietnam War ...came:


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts


With a President HILLARY...
...in a new time of war...
...with our own Freedom...
...directly at stake...
...it would happen again here.


NEVER FORGET

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12 posted on 02/20/2006 7:27:27 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: luvbach1
I'm afraid Rice will lose her tolerance for the ad homonym attacks she is increasingly experiencing and will decline to run.Just imagine what they'd be like during the campaign.

She's not my first choice, but if she chooses to run I think it'd be a good thing...and very likely be a an even greater historic thing than a woman or a black running for president...it would also prove to the entire nation how racist the democrat party really is....because believe me, that is what their attacks on her would prove.

13 posted on 02/20/2006 7:27:50 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Time for a Chaney - Condi job swop.


14 posted on 02/20/2006 7:28:49 PM PST by spokeshave (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Not until she modifies her views on abortion, she won't!

You have to consider the package. The president swears to oppose all enemies, foreign and domestic, and is responsible constitutionally to provide for the common defense, to promote the general welfare and to secure the blessings of liberty on ourselves and our posterity.

I'd say Rice has it all over the hildabeast in all these areas.

The Supremes will decide the abortion issue, not the president.

15 posted on 02/20/2006 7:34:11 PM PST by pfflier
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To: spokeshave
Time for a Chaney - Condi job swop.

Why? Cheney is doing a fantastic job as Vice President!

16 posted on 02/20/2006 7:36:30 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: alicewonders

Anyone spelling the Veeps name wrong is a troll


17 posted on 02/20/2006 7:40:27 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Prince Caspian
Excellent observation, a gal would need to pull a plurality from 79% of those voting. High hurdle.
18 posted on 02/20/2006 7:41:58 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Aussie Dasher
Image hosted by Photobucket.com
LOOK... it's TouristSenator!!!
It shows up in more places than TouristGuy did only with less style and substance...
she's Vaporware, just an empty crusty.
(Please spread me around like the parasite that i am...)

19 posted on 02/20/2006 7:42:57 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Aussie Dasher
I don't know, but I do know one thing: I would personally walk to Colorado to vote for Condi. She is am amazing woman who has probably done more than we will ever know to save her country since 9/11. My dream ticket has always been some combo of Rice/Guiliani, Guiliani/Rice, though recently I haven't followed US politics closely enough to know various governors, etc.

The presidency is a thankless job that ages people prematurely, so I'd understand if she wanted to be the NFL commissioner. Whatever she chooses to do, we owe her a debt of gratitude.

20 posted on 02/20/2006 7:43:27 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Aussie Dasher
Not until she modifies her views on abortion, she won't!

She's said repeatedly that she's not running, and I believe her. But if she did, here's a wild card suggestion. She could acknowledge that she's pro-choice -- but then insist, as a pro-choice, socially moderate, judicial conservative, that Roe was wrongly decided (the Krauthamer position). She could then pledge to nominate Scalia-Alito type judges, placing her rhetorical emphasis on the many issues other than abortion at stake in the constitutional debate.

Rudy Giuliani could do the same thing. That might scramble the deck.

21 posted on 02/20/2006 7:45:40 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Prince Caspian
I daresay the percentage of people willing to vote for a male as president is somewhere close to 100%.

Good point, and even more telling when we are at war. Will women trust a woman (my preference for the out-of-the-ordinary Dr. Rice excluded), especially a Dem woman, in a time of war? Doubtful.

22 posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:44 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: proud American in Canada

I think Condi would be a great President, but can we put someone into the White House who supports killing babies?


23 posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:54 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: sphinx

Please see my #20. Some combination of Rudy and Condi would absolutely sweep the country, IMO. IF they could get past the primaries.


24 posted on 02/20/2006 7:48:02 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

There is a Civil Disobediance counter offensive to run against Clintonian curtailment of First Amendment Rights:

Everyone simultaneously and publicly violates unconstitutional restrictions on free speech. There cannot be enough Government censors to stop a flood of free speech.


25 posted on 02/20/2006 7:50:46 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Rice/Coulter ....or Coulter/Rice for that matter.


26 posted on 02/20/2006 7:50:50 PM PST by HP8753 (My cat said he always knew Mark Dayton was a flake)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"Any chance of a bloke getting it?"

The Republican nominee will be a man. Hillary has the Democratic nomination locked.

Whether or not the Republicans can win depends on the Iraq situation just before the election, if you ask me (assuming we still have troops there.)


27 posted on 02/20/2006 7:58:24 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: Brad Cloven

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That's what a once Free South Vietnam thought.

MICHAAL SAVAGE is warning us of the Fascist State that a President HILLARY will bring upon us.

With us Freepers right in her cross-hairs.

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28 posted on 02/20/2006 7:58:41 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

"so will internet speak be dead. "

True. Dead as we know it. We need to keep it alive in other ways, if it comes to that.


29 posted on 02/20/2006 7:59:32 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: Prince Caspian
Which means the female candidate would be competing for votes only within a 79% subset of the population.

You are assuming people won't vote for someone they are "not willing" to vote for.

I have cast plenty of vote against the lesser of too evils, I don't think these folks would necessarily NEVER vote for a woman. Also, any disadvantage there would be nullied if there were two women running.

30 posted on 02/20/2006 8:00:25 PM PST by Fido969
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To: proud American in Canada

" IF they could get past the primaries."

Which they can't.


31 posted on 02/20/2006 8:02:12 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: strategofr

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No, we NEED to prevent a President HILLARY at ALL costs to ensure our own safety in a new time of war with an enemy that's now just around the corner and up your street.

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32 posted on 02/20/2006 8:02:48 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

When they pry my guns from my cold, dead fingers.


33 posted on 02/20/2006 8:03:05 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (.)
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To: Brad Cloven

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Now your GET it.

In a still Communist enslaved Vietnam, the Communists and the Peoples Army of Vietnam are the ONLY ones who HAVE the guns.

Something that's right up a President HILLARY's alley.

Guaranteed.

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34 posted on 02/20/2006 8:08:03 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Prince Caspian

"21% were NOT willing to vote for a woman president."

So, let's hope Condi runs against Hillary.


35 posted on 02/20/2006 8:23:31 PM PST by no dems ("99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name." Steven Wright)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE


"No, we NEED to prevent a President HILLARY at ALL costs to ensure our own safety in a new time of war with an enemy that's now just around the corner and up your street."

I say we need to do both. Fight all out to beat Hillary, but still make contingency plans. We can survive Hillary (as a society) but only if we have a plan.


36 posted on 02/20/2006 8:26:22 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: spokeshave

Not until Jan 07.


37 posted on 02/20/2006 8:32:09 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Clinton slips in pole

HA ha ha ha!! The last time he did that, he was impeached!

38 posted on 02/20/2006 8:35:00 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Aussie Dasher

You are correct!

She is pro-choice and so is McCain.

Neither of them could get the majority of the base who are anti-abortion.


39 posted on 02/20/2006 8:56:48 PM PST by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: spokeshave
I have been predicting this for some time.

Look for Cheney to retire for "health reasons" in late 2006>

Don't blame the messenger, I call 'em as I see 'em.

Cheers,

knewshound

http://knewshound.blogspot.com/
40 posted on 02/20/2006 9:18:07 PM PST by knews_hound (Now with two handed typing !)
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To: Thunder90
Hillary and Rice will not run.

Hillary WILL run. The only reason she became a Senator, is to prepare her run for President. She lives for one thing, power. She will be the demo nominee. I pray the Republicans can have someone strong enough to stand up to what will be the most withering attacks from the left in the history of this Republic. This will be a campaign like no other in our nations history. It will be brutal. The media will do everything in it's power to utterly destroy the Republican nominee. It is true the Internet allows checks on the totalitarian left. However, I fear the ignorant masses will be duped. If anyone thinks it will be cakewalk against Hillary, they are mistaken. Look how close Kerry and Gore came.

41 posted on 02/20/2006 9:47:11 PM PST by liberty2004
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To: liberty2004

Hillary is a smokescreen. The ONLY way Hillary will be able to run is if she comes out and denounces the war and demands troops out ASAP. Then, she will have the backing of Cindy Sheehan and those types.


42 posted on 02/20/2006 9:49:59 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: strategofr

Watch out for DIM darkhorse canadites.


43 posted on 02/20/2006 9:50:41 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
The ONLY way Hillary will be able to run is if she comes out and denounces the war and demands troops out ASAP. Then, she will have the backing of Cindy Sheehan and those types

I don't believe she has to move left to win the demo nomination. The far left are quite aware of how she would "really" be in office. They know she will impose by executive order all sorts of far left controls on. They will gladly allow her to speak as though she is "in the center." They will scream and rant saying she is selling out -- all the time laughing knowing she will suck in the naive middle to her side. Bill will gladly campaign and speak of how great it would be to return the to the "glorious 90's." Hillary and Bill are all about the lust for power. They know exactly what they are doing. Remember, they likely still have copies of those FBI files. And who knows what info their moles in government are feeding them. Hillary will run and at this point the election is hers to lose. At this time, I don't see a Republican strong enough to withstand the onslaught.

44 posted on 02/20/2006 10:00:18 PM PST by liberty2004
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To: liberty2004

If the majority of antiwar groups back Hillary, then we will know.


45 posted on 02/20/2006 10:08:25 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: highlander_UW

Condoleezza Rice has an incredible presence. Of all the political figures on the scene today, she is the most Presidential. I would love to see her onstage with the Beast in a debate. At one podium the dowdy, graceless figure, the unbearably grating voice, the cold dead eyes, and the stultifying message of Hillary Clinton. At the other, the slender, impeccably dressed figure and lovely face, the cultivated, musical voice, and the reasoned, informed message of Condoleezza Rice. I predict the largest audience ever for the presidential debates. And a landslide for Condi.


46 posted on 02/21/2006 3:41:04 AM PST by giotto
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To: giotto
Folks, no contest. On one side, Condi. On the other side, the dulcet tones of fingernails on chalkboard....

Be Seeing You,

Chris

47 posted on 02/21/2006 3:57:20 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Prince Caspian
The more interesting statistic implied is that 21% were NOT willing to vote for a woman president

If Condi and Hillary were running, that 21% would either sit out or vote for a woman.

Ergo, 100% of those voting would vote for a woman.
48 posted on 02/21/2006 4:00:43 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Unfortunately Rice has NO plans to run and won't be goaded into running. Let Hillary run. Let her miserably fail.
49 posted on 02/21/2006 4:02:55 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: giotto
Condoleezza Rice has an incredible presence. Of all the political figures on the scene today, she is the most Presidential. I would love to see her onstage with the Beast in a debate. At one podium the dowdy, graceless figure, the unbearably grating voice, the cold dead eyes, and the stultifying message of Hillary Clinton. At the other, the slender, impeccably dressed figure and lovely face, the cultivated, musical voice, and the reasoned, informed message of Condoleezza Rice. I predict the largest audience ever for the presidential debates. And a landslide for Condi.

I don't dispute a single point of your comment. I can clarify my less than rousing endorsement for Condi by stating that it's related to her views on abortion. She classifies herself as "mildly pro-choice". Personally, I do not believe there is that much wiggle room, morally speaking. Some information on her views on this topic can be found here:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05031401.html

50 posted on 02/21/2006 4:05:36 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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