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I-35: The road to trouble
San Antonio Express-News ^ | February 19, 2006 | Patrick Driscoll

Posted on 02/20/2006 7:19:42 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Next time you're in a bottleneck on Interstate 35 and want to cuss someone, consider this:

Those most responsible probably aren't within earshot.

They include former President Clinton, whose signing of the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement paved the way for a surge in truck traffic; Herb Kelleher of Southwest Airlines, who helped convince then-Gov. Ann Richards to pull support for high-speed rail plans; and Ric Williamson, who as a member of the state House Appropriations Committee in the 1980s played a key role in diverting state gas taxes, a third of which now don't go to transportation.

Such are the politics of traffic jams. Some are caused by accidents; others by construction. But an examination of I-35 — How does a road get like this? — shows that many tie-ups are foretold by sometimes faraway and long-ago machinations of people, some who never or rarely drive the road.

Running 1,500 miles from Mexico to Duluth, Minn., I-35 is overloaded from San Antonio to Dallas, state officials say.

The worst stretch, from here to Georgetown, was branded the deadliest highway in Texas just a few years after NAFTA started, when more than 100 people a year were dying on it.

The problem is one that seemingly everybody saw coming but nobody was able to avert, though eventually it figured prominently in a Texas gubernatorial election.

"All we know is, we could look and see what was happening to I-35," said David Laney, who was chairman of the Texas Transportation Commission from 1995 to 2001. "We knew that increasingly we would lose ground."

And now, the best hope for frustrated motorists who use I-35 is a strange and paradoxical solution that might seem to come straight out of the politician's handbook: Do nothing, or little, allowing the highway to become more clogged than ever.

Here's why: Bond agreements for new toll roads usually forbid construction of competing highway lanes, thereby assuring I-35 always will be congested.

In fact, on the same day as one of Austin's worst-ever traffic jams — caused by two wrecks last spring that closed the northbound lanes of I-35 for 18 hours — Gov. Rick Perry was at the Capitol presiding over the signing of a contract to develop plans for a tollway from San Antonio to Dallas.

So although some fixes for I-35 are on the drawing board — six additional lanes in San Antonio, a few in Austin, expanding a choke point in New Braunfels and adding two lanes from Waco to Hillsboro — the days of expanding the freeway are coming to an end. The widening needed to keep pace with population and traffic growth is physically or fiscally out of reach.

Almost half the state's population lives within 50 miles of I-35, making it the most important highway in Texas, and forecasts indicate growth will top 50 percent in 20 years. Traffic on the freeway is expected to climb even faster.

"We're struggling," said Gabriela Garcia, spokeswoman with the Texas Department of Transportation. "We're trying to catch up."

Many of the motorists flocking to I-35 are commuters living or working in sprawling developments popping up along the corridor, but there also are truckers hauling goods because of skyrocketing trade with Mexico.

When Kaz and Kathleen Oreziak moved from Canada to San Antonio two years ago, their new neighbors offered some sage advice about I-35 between here and Austin.

The Oreziaks took the advice to heart and now avoid I-35 when they drive to Austin every month or so. Instead, they head up U.S. 281 and then east to Austin, slowing down for the curves in the rolling hills and stopping in the quaint towns.

They figure they're not losing much time, if any. But if their trips take a little longer, so what?

"We just like the scenery," Kathleen Oreziak said.

Cecil Cracraft of Missouri wiped some dirt off the fender of his rig and recalled the horrors he's faced on I-35 in Texas. He's been hauling groceries through the state once or twice a month for the past five years.

"I don't know," he said, getting serious. "I don't know if I've seen the worst."

First bad sign

More than likely, Cracraft hasn't seen the worst. By 2025, I-35 would need to be expanded to 18 lanes in Austin, 16 in San Antonio and 12 in-between to handle expected traffic, a 1999 study by the Federal Highway Administration says. That's eight to 12 more lanes in Austin and San Antonio, too much to be practical.

Intelligent transportation technologies such as those used by TransGuide could reduce the need for some of those lanes, but a new parallel route of two to eight lanes still would be needed from here to Temple, the study concluded. Dallas-Fort Worth also would need a bypass.

But officials didn't need a study to know that alternatives to I-35 would be needed. They could see it coming 20 years ago.

It was during the 1980s that Frank McCullough noticed a troubling sign.

On some holidays, traffic on I-35 slowed down in rural areas, said McCullough, who'd worked for the state highway department years before and at the time was with the Center for Transportation Research at the University of Texas.

Congestion was expected during rush hours in large cities, but not out where cows grazed.

"I-35 would break down," he said. "It just couldn't handle the traffic."

When McCullough pulled out the Texas ruler for measuring distances — driving time — and projected into the future, the picture was bleak. Trips on I-35 from San Antonio to Dallas soon would take as long as they did before the freeway was built.

"I don't think anybody was thinking about how big this growth was going to be," he said. "It was becoming readily apparent that we couldn't build our way out of that situation. In other words, we couldn't build lanes fast enough."

McCullough's fears were well-founded.

Construction of the nation's 47,000-mile interstate highway system was grinding to an end, blotting out a vision that for decades gave highway planners something solid to get behind and push.

The 1986 General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade had kicked off booming trade with Mexico, and talks for NAFTA would start in five years. Four of five trucks carrying trade to and from Mexico ended up rumbling through Texas, a third on I-35.

Since 1990, the number of trucks on I-35 in San Antonio has more than doubled and now accounts for one in seven vehicles just north of North Loop 1604.

By the mid 1990s, nearly all parts of I-35 in urban areas and almost half in rural areas from Mexico to Canada had reached capacity, according to the highway administration's 1999 study.

For every mile traveled on the freeway today, the average San Antonio commuter can lose up to an hour a year stuck in traffic.

Something else besides mounting traffic plagues I-35. With Texas' economy and population seemingly stagnant two decades ago, legislators started diverting some state gas tax funds away from highways. That's in addition to the fourth that had been going to education for more than 60 years.

"I probably wouldn't have done it if I could have looked in a crystal ball 20 years down the road," said Williamson, who now is chairman of the Texas Transportation Commission.

Besides the diversions, legislators have refused to raise the gas tax since 1991 and inflation has steadily whittled purchasing power. Tax revenue continued to go up, but that's because the amount of driving — and therefore the needs — shot up.

Also in the 1980s, strategies began to shift to ways to manage road congestion rather than cure it — such as more mass transit, carpool lanes and toll roads, all of which become more attractive as traffic thickens.

Talk of an I-35 bypass in Austin soon would consider carpool lanes, and after stalled plans were reinvigorated by TxDOT in 1992, officials decided to fund the road by making it a tollway. They also renamed it Texas 130.

In 1990, community leaders from San Antonio and Austin raised the idea to run commuter rail, with speeds up to 80 mph, along I-35 from San Antonio to Austin. A 1999 state study said it was feasible, but public money would be needed.

By 1994, private companies spent $41 million trying to prove that high-speed rail, with speeds of 150 mph or more, would be a good way to connect the state's five biggest cities and would be possible if government would just kick in some money.

The supercorridor

McCullough and his colleagues at the research center felt something bigger was needed, something that reached further into the future and would thrive as I-35 became more congested.

They considered the failings of the interstates, which plowed through cities and became clogged with commuters, and included access roads — especially in Texas — that further hampered long-haul traffic by adding drivers making shorter trips.

The researchers came up with a blueprint for something that could do it all. They called it a supercorridor.

Their vision, looking 50 years out, was to pack six car lanes, four truck lanes, two passenger rail lines, two freight rail lines, utility pipelines and service areas into one right of way to save land, time, money and pain.

The supercorridors would parallel interstates and go around cities. Highway lanes would be tolled to pay for themselves and control traffic levels, and there would be no access roads to feed urban sprawl.

The center fleshed out the idea with three studies from 1992 to 1996. In the last, which was commissioned by TxDOT, researchers took a detailed look at the I-35 corridor but recommended that all Texas corridors be considered.

Then ... nothing.

"When we presented the work, there was a kind of deafening silence," recalled Rob Harrison, who worked on the studies and now is deputy director of the research center.

But that changed six years later.

In 2002, as the governor's race began to crank up, incumbent Perry unveiled the Trans Texas Corridor. The plan, hailed as a new vision, is a 50-year $184 billion proposal to build 4,000 miles of toll roads, rail lines and pipelines in shared rights of way across the state.

One of the planners with the research center said he almost fell off his chair when he heard about it. The similarities were that eerie.

The main difference is that Perry is eyeing four passenger rail lines, two for high speeds of up to 200 mph and two for slower commuter service that makes more stops. That pushed the needed right of way width to nearly a quarter of a mile.

But a motley assortment that includes the Sierra Club, the Texas Farm Bureau and even Perry's own Texas Republican Party have decried how the wide corridors would split farms, ranches and wildlife habitats and devour almost 584,000 acres of valuable land.

"That concerns us, the way it transects the ranches in Texas and some of the best wildlife areas," said Kirby Brown of the Texas Wildlife Association, which is working to change laws to chip away at the impacts.

Also, a coalition of cities led by Dallas has been fighting to protect I-35 as the historic NAFTA route. They want to see new lanes added to that freeway or kept within 5 miles.

North America's Supercorridor Coalition Inc., an international group founded in 1994 and based in Dallas, recently began talking to TxDOT about such issues but has endorsed the concept.

"We just want to make sure that the alignment is as close to I-35 as possible and uses I-35 in rural areas where it's feasible," NASCO spokeswoman Rachel Edwards said.

Within weeks, federal officials might narrow possible routes for the Trans Texas Corridor leg paralleling I-35 to a 10-mile-wide area.

Picking the actual route, the first of the supercorridors, could take up to two more years.

Keys to Perry's plan include a shift to tolls and fees to raise most of the money and partnering with private companies to build and operate segments of the corridor while taking on risks in return for profits.

"Tolling is definitely part of the future of transportation finance. It varies from state to state," said Robert Puentes, a fellow with the Brookings Institution in Washington.

Peter Samuel, a fellow with the Reason Institute in Los Angeles, said he hopes the corridor comes to fruition but doubts it'll fully happen in anybody's lifetime.

"My conclusion is, the whole thing is somewhat overhyped," he said. "If it all happens, sure, it's huge."

In 2004, the Texas Transportation Commission chose a consortium led by Cintra of Spain and Zachry Construction Corp. of San Antonio to draw up development plans for the corridor's first project — a $6 billion four-lane toll road from San Antonio to Dallas.

Construction could start in four years.

With federal leadership on transportation issues collapsing after completion of the interstates, the eyes of the nation are now glued on Texas.

"Most states," Puentes said, "are watching closely to see how they pull that off."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: agenda21; gasolinetax; gatt; i35; i69; i69ttc; ih35; ih69; interstate35; interstate69; nafta; nasco; rickperry; ricwilliamson; supercorridor; texas; tolls; transtexascorridor; ttc; ttc35; ttc69; txdot; us59

By Stephen Palkot

Monday, February 20, 2006 12:29 PM CST

A major step in the development of the I-69 corridor is scheduled for Thursday.

The Texas Transportation Commission this week will vote on whether to begin finding a contractor for the entire road through Texas. If the vote goes through on Thursday, TxDOT will seek requests for proposals from companies looking to build and maintain the road.

The highway would run about 600 miles and is expected to cost several billion dollars. The latest plan on I-69 calls for a contractor to not only build the road, but also to finance the construction and maintenance of the road.

The contractor would be allowed to charge tolls along the road and collect from those to make a profit.

County Judge Bob Hebert said he does not have ample information to support the idea of a tolled I-69. He points out that I-35, which runs roughly parallel to the proposed I-69, could also be a toll road.

"The question I asked them was, 'Has anybody done an economic analysis to determine the dynamics of building one major toll road from Mexico to the Texas border and then building another toll road from Mexico to the Texas border?' he said.

Also, Hebert said a private company building a massive highway and looking to collect tolls would have an incentive to lobby the Legislature to "not allow competition to exist."

"I think they need to have a thorough analysis of the 35 project and the 69 project and their impact on one-another," he said.

The interstate has been proposed as a single highway to connect Mexico, the U.S. and Canada. Local officials for years have been discussing the idea of converting U.S. 59 into I-69, through upgrades of the road.

According to TxDOT, the agency would undertake a two-step, 15-month process to select a contractor for the highway.

Meanwhile, studies continue into the development of the Trans Texas Corridor. The TTC has been proposed as a large, multi-modal transportation corridor throughout Texas, and TxDOT officials are looking to make I-69 a portion of the TTC.

1 posted on 02/20/2006 7:19:47 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: TxDOT; 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; anymouse; AprilfromTexas; ...

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 02/20/2006 7:21:27 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Isn't I-69 supposed to include what is now US 281, starting north from ?McAllen? How does it relate to I-35?


3 posted on 02/20/2006 7:25:59 PM PST by rudy45
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And to think that I was really fond of Herb Kelleher for his Innovation in The GODFATHER of LCC's [Low-Cost Carriers]--Southwest Airlines, Mi Favorito.


4 posted on 02/20/2006 7:29:41 PM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I know that trying to get from North Loop 820 to downtown Fort Worth during daylight hours sucks. It sucks real hard.


5 posted on 02/20/2006 7:30:52 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yeah, we really needed a freakin train to gobble up tax money and compete with AmTrack as the biggest boon doggle around. Thank God we do not have the train or Richards.


6 posted on 02/20/2006 7:31:26 PM PST by right right
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As a supporter of TTC (and TTC-35 in particular), I'm eager to see which alignment is going to be picked, and where the interface with the Fort Worth area is going to be. If it were up to me, the TTC interface would be located near Midlothian at the junction of SH 360 at US 287. One of the area's largest railheads is there, making it a natural for intermodal freight transshipment, plus locating it there would give DART/The T/NCTCOG all the incentive required to build a much-needed north-south commuter rail line between the interface and the proposed TRE station at Bird's Fort in Arlington. Finally, the site is midway between Dallas and Fort worth and is already connected to both via existing controlled-access highways.

Note: I do not own any land or other property around the area in question. I'm just a regular public transport passenger interested in seeing the TTC link to the extant Metro DFW transit system in the smoothest and most beneficial way possible.


7 posted on 02/20/2006 7:37:11 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Abcdefg

i'll be so glad when they finally complete the expansion of I-30 over here in Dallas. Then we have to look forward to all the new roads being built here in Arlingon when they start building the new Cowboys stadium


8 posted on 02/20/2006 7:50:14 PM PST by mfnorman
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To: mfnorman

Here lately the is "SEEMS" like the big trucks are being driven by drunk teenagers. They don't know where they are going half the time either.


9 posted on 02/20/2006 7:59:40 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I was on I-35 E between Lewisville and Denton earlier today... it is a BEATING during rush hour when the 3 lanes heading north turn to two lanes once one crosses the Lake Lewisville bridge.

When I can, I avoid 35 and instead head north on Preston (aka 289) then swing west on 380 - is a little out of the way (basically heading north to go south), but sure as heck beats the parking lot that's I-35.

That's my soapbox rant... please drive through.

10 posted on 02/20/2006 8:06:17 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: mfnorman
The Trans Texas Corridor is needed and must be built to sustain the growth here in Texas. However, to ever gain the political support it needs the users must be those that pay for it. If the money comes out of general revenues the whole project will be DEAD ON ARRIVAL

I use I35 every day and I should not pay for that use. Actually I do pay for it in my gas taxes. If I get on the corridor I should pay a toll for using it.

11 posted on 02/20/2006 8:06:42 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Like many of you, I've lost count of the number of traffic nightmares we've faced on this dismal highway. All I can say is make sure you track an alternate route before going anywhere on I-35.

We made one trip from Fort Worth to San Antonio where my husband had to pull over and let me drive. His blood pressure was going through the roof because he was so frustrated with the traffic. I can't imagine what this mess will be like in another five years.

Ugh...Please, let me pay a toll for a decent road!


12 posted on 02/20/2006 8:16:49 PM PST by tamster
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They need one designated lane for drug traffic, and two for illegal workers.


13 posted on 02/20/2006 8:20:19 PM PST by Nachoman (I love greasy old bolt guns.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
...and Ric Williamson, who as a member of the state House Appropriations Committee in the 1980s played a key role in diverting state gas taxes, a third of which now don't go to transportation.

We had a deal up here (Washington State) a few years where the voters passed an initiative to lower the state auto license tab down to thirty dollars. Voters passed it by a landslide. Afterwords there were all sorts of government programs that found themselves unfunded, and they had nothing to do with transportation.
14 posted on 02/20/2006 8:22:39 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I35 does get crowded up here in MN too.

BTW, I own 35E.


15 posted on 02/20/2006 8:24:05 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What I love is for all the other problems the road has, come Texas-OU weekend there won't be any construction. I heard that the construction company working on it outside Thackerville would be paying a serious hourly fine if they didn't have it opened up for the weekend.


16 posted on 02/20/2006 8:26:37 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Diddle E. Squat; deport; maui_hawaii; Ben Ficklin; zeugma; MeekOneGOP; ...
Pro TTC

This is a pro Trans-Texas Corridor ping list.

Please let me know by Freepmail if you want on or off the list.

17 posted on 02/20/2006 8:49:20 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative


A map of possible alternatives for TTC-35.


18 posted on 02/20/2006 8:49:48 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
Here are some links various Freepers have posted on other Trans Texas Corridor (TTC) threads on Free Republic



Paleo Conservative


Free Republic search on keyword "TTC"

Interview (Audio) NPR | February 8, 2005 A Superhighway for Texas?



Diddle E. Squat


Here's the website with more info and explanation:

http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/

Here's a list of meetings where you can ask questions(and I encourage everyone who can to attend and ask questions)

http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/pdfs/TTC-35_Public_Meetings.pdf

Here's a link to the map of the TTC-35 corridor alternatives, which are approximately 10 miles wide study areas (the actual selected single corridor will be at most 1/4 mile wide):

http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/pdfs/TTC- 35_Alternatives_Map.pdf



Ben Ficklin

The Oklahoma Extension

La Entrada al Pacifico

1990-2000 Population Growth of Border Metro Areas

Bidders for TTC contract

NHS High Priority Corridors

Texas Sets the Pace in Highway Finance

Ray Perryman's Economic Benefit Analysis Of TTC



maui_hawaii

Port of Houston teams up with Panama to draw a piece of Asia's massive trade away from West Coast

19 posted on 02/20/2006 8:50:18 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Madness. Absolute madness.

If we need more ways to push trucks through the state for NAFTA, why on earth are they planning to concentrate the new traffic along the already-crowded routes? Adding capacity to the I-35 corridor is a horrible idea, both environmentally (cough, cough) and traffic-wise.

Look at the dying towns in West Texas that would love to have the economic boon new roads might bring -- and then look at the plans to make the mega tollroad closed to the communities it bypasses.

None of this makes sense, except apparently to those into whose hands the cash will flow . . .


20 posted on 02/20/2006 9:04:19 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Looks like Perry contracted someone to do some cheerleading for his retirement plan.
21 posted on 02/20/2006 9:48:48 PM PST by zeugma (This post made with the 'Xinha Here!' Firefox plugin.)
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To: Jedidah
Look at the dying towns in West Texas that would love to have the economic boon new roads might bring -- and then look at the plans to make the mega tollroad closed to the communities it bypasses.


Yup. It's going to be a huge boondoggle that will completely bypass and further isolate all the small towns along its route. They plan to have concessions just like they do on some Yankee tollroads I've been on, where those with pull can get in, but those without cannot. Of course, all concessions will be paid to the foreign company Perry has contracted to build out his retirement plan.

22 posted on 02/20/2006 9:54:36 PM PST by zeugma (This post made with the 'Xinha Here!' Firefox plugin.)
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To: Jedidah; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Paleo Conservative
Look at the dying towns in West Texas that would love to have the economic boon new roads might bring -- and then look at the plans to make the mega tollroad closed to the communities it bypasses.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BULLSEYE!!!

there would be no access roads to feed urban sprawl.

And no access to rural towns to feed economic opportunity.

The TTC will make rural Texas, "Flyover Drive-past Country". And rural Texas will be the victim of the biggest land-grab since T.J. Rusk and his cronies. But the city-folks and NAFTA-lovers (who won't have to sacrifice for it) waaaannnt it...

Texas is facing a rural vs urban civil war!

23 posted on 02/20/2006 10:01:11 PM PST by TXnMA (TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 02/20/2006 11:28:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I-35 is overloaded from San Antonio to Dallas, state officials say.

Then tell me WHY IN THE WORLD the wonderful Turkey Shop cafeteria in Abbott had to close, after nearly 30 years of being the very best of the roadside eateries anyone could want? Tell me WHY! It doesn't make sense!

And they also want to run up 281 and ruin Blanco? And Dripping Springs - and then Wimberley will be next, then Luckenbach. They'll probably put up a wall along the ridge on Devil's Backbone and make you pay to stop at a lookout tower to see the Blanco River Valley! This is horrible!

Couldn't Austin declare itself "null and void" and make Marfa the new Capital of the Great State of Texas?

25 posted on 02/21/2006 1:17:34 AM PST by Rte66
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To: Alamo-Girl

You're welcome. :-)


26 posted on 02/21/2006 2:56:31 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


27 posted on 02/21/2006 2:59:37 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: rudy45
Isn't I-69 supposed to include what is now US 281, starting north from ?McAllen?

From Interstate 69 Texas:

I-69 is the combination of two federally designated High Priority Corridors. Corridor 18 extends from Michigan and Illinois south through Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana and terminating at the terminus of U.S. 77 and U.S. 281 in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. Corridor 20 is designated as U.S. 59 from Texarkana to Laredo.

Also, from aaroads.com:

Interstate 69's Three-Way Split

Interstate 69 has several southern termini planned, all of which are likely to be constructed:

Note that the Laredo segment is not referred to as "Interstate 69 West." It seems like these three routes would merge someplace near Beeville or Victoria. If each segment is constructed as planned, it is possible that U.S. 59, 77, and 281 may be curtailed on their concurrent sections with the future Interstate 69 and its central and east segments.

For a map and much more details, see Texas Freeways: Interstate 69 (Erik Slotboom).

28 posted on 02/21/2006 3:08:57 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; rudy45
Correction:

For a map and much more details, see Texas Freeways: Interstate 69 (Erik Slotboom).

29 posted on 02/21/2006 3:14:46 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: right right
Here in Florida they wanted high speed rail to carry folk from Tampa to Orlando, onward south to Ft. Lauderdale, and Miami. The problem? it will take 3 to 4 times more time to get from Tampa to Miami even if the Train can go 200 mph, that it can to take a 50 minute express flight from Tampa to Miami. Even trains that can go 200 mph still have to stop and let off and take on commuters. The fix in Texas should be either a toll expressway parallel to the interstate like in S.W. Florida, or an upper level limited access expressway over the current I 35 , like the Selmon expressway in Tampa, but on a much larger scale.
30 posted on 02/21/2006 3:27:06 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bttt


31 posted on 02/21/2006 3:37:23 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: rudy45; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
By all means! As I-35 descends into the abyss over the next 20 years, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE choose US281 as the CONSTRUCTION SITE for a new mega-monster highway!!!

Perfect planning. Take the only viable San Antonio/Austin -to- DFW backup road out of commission during the same period where I35 will also be impassable.

(I support buying a new corridor outside of existing ones since Rick Perry is spending everyone's toll money for them.)

32 posted on 02/21/2006 3:52:36 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I live just north of Austin and all these plans do is guarantee me congestion and construction until the day I die. I'V GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS PLACE! IF IT'S THE LAST THING I EVER DO!
33 posted on 02/21/2006 4:25:29 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: TXnMA
Texas is facing a rural vs urban civil war!

Agreed! I am fearful this will spell the death of the West in Texas. I hate to see it.
34 posted on 02/21/2006 1:13:52 PM PST by texas_mrs
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To: texas_mrs

Agreed! I am fearful this will spell the death of the West in Texas.



Explain the death of west Texas due to roads in Central and East Texas?

Texas will survive and continue to grow. It just may not be the same as you would like to remember it or the same as the good old days as we grew up. jmo.


35 posted on 02/21/2006 2:39:17 PM PST by deport
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