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Professor at BYU Arrested for Taping Porn Videos
Deseret News ^ | February 18, 2006 | Sara Israelsen

Posted on 02/21/2006 10:02:21 AM PST by Colofornian

PROVO — A Brigham Young University assistant professor has resigned after being arrested Thursday night for investigation into allegations that he taped and watched pornographic videos of a 14-year-old girl on his computer.

The 63-year-old man is being investigated for sexual exploitation of a minor, a second-degree felony, and voyeurism, a class-A misdemeanor, after Provo police found a video clip of a girl undressing on a laptop computer belonging to BYU.

The Deseret Morning News does not name arrested persons until charges are filed.

Acting on a tip, Provo police approached the man at his home and took him to the police station where it was determined the information he provided was sufficient to warrant his arrest, said Provo Police Capt. Rick Healey.

Police confiscated the computer and are continuing to search for other videos they believe are on the computer's hard drive, Healey said.

Investigators believe the videos were created using a hidden camera in either a bedroom or a bathroom and were done without the victim's knowledge, Healey said.

The man was released Friday afternoon after posting $7,500 bail. He will be in 4th District Court next Friday for a first appearance.

The man worked as an assistant professor of information systems at the Marriott School of Management and has been teaching at BYU since 1988 until he resigned Friday afternoon, said BYU spokeswoman Carri Jenkins said.

"The situation is of grave concern to us," she said. "We are taking the appropriate measures to handle this situation. We are cooperating fully with the Provo City Police Department."

According to the probable cause statement filed in 4th District Court by Provo police, the man told investigators that he was sexually aroused by watching the videos and that is why he kept the files on his computer.

Pornography is a major factor in a large majority of sexual abuse or assault crimes, Healey said.

Healey said the three detectives that work solely in Provo's sex crimes unit are "completely overwhelmed" by the volume of investigations.

Clinical psychologist Allan Roe said he sees close to 25 people a week in his Orem office, many of whom are struggling with addictions to explicit magazine, movie and Internet images.

"One out of three (people) that I deal with have pornography problems," said Roe, who specializes in treating people with such addictions. "It's an ongoing issue and it's only getting worse. And I only deal with the ones who want to solve the problem."

The crippling problem hurts not only the addicted individual but the spouse, children and the community at large, Roe said.

"People ... in high positions, political or financial positions or church positions, (that you would think) wouldn't have those kinds of problems. We all know that they do. We deal with them every day."

The judicial system is also dealing with the effects of pornography.

This past Thursday, Lehi resident Roger Wilkins was sentenced to one year in the Utah County Jail for sexually abusing a young girl.

Fourth District Court Judge Lynn Davis ruled that Wilkins should undergo some type of pornography-addiction treatment, because of its impact on his behavior.

"I'm convinced that there is a genesis at length between (viewing pornography) and the unfortunate activity here," Davis told Wilkins.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Utah
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1 posted on 02/21/2006 10:02:24 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

So asking for tenure is definitely out.


2 posted on 02/21/2006 10:09:07 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Colofornian
"A Brigham Young University assistant professor has resigned after being arrested Thursday night for investigation into allegations that he taped and watched pornographic videos of a 14-year-old girl on his computer."

Bring 'em young.

3 posted on 02/21/2006 10:12:48 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Auditioning for his newest wife?


4 posted on 02/21/2006 10:14:03 AM PST by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Colofornian
a video clip of a girl undressing on a laptop computer

Get the Lysol.

5 posted on 02/21/2006 10:21:16 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Colofornian
All the Mormons I know are such good, family oriented, honest, decent folks!

I've read this statement on every thread about Mormonism ever posted on Free Republic. Most of them are. It's those that aren't we have to watch out for!

Being Mormon doesn't automatically make you a good person any more than being Republican does.

6 posted on 02/21/2006 10:22:37 AM PST by colorcountry (The devil has many tools. Dishonesty is the handle that fits them all.)
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To: colorcountry
Being Mormon doesn't automatically make you a good person any more than being Republican does.

Unfortunately, you're correct. We always hope that every member will grow to be more like Christ, but anyone can fall.

How very tragic and sad for everyone involved.

7 posted on 02/21/2006 10:28:11 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Reaganesque

According to who?... not the NEA.


8 posted on 02/21/2006 10:30:54 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Colofornian

The guy is a pig but they better get some sense into this girls head soon


9 posted on 02/21/2006 10:41:17 AM PST by skaterboy
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To: robertpaulsen
Bring 'em young

Indeed, in the olden days, Brigham Young did "Bring 'em young"--as did Joseph Smith. They, at least, didn't ambush the innocence of such teens by assuming a side-door route (a video camera). They walked directly through the front door of marriage, gaining family consent. [Then again, even current LDS don't consider polygamy a front-door route; the point is, they didn't sneak into the presence of these young teens even if the polygamy rouse was a sneaky doctrine].

45-year-old Brigham married 16-year-old Lucy Bigelow in 1847; that was three years after he married 15-year-old Clarissa Clara Decker. (To see the ages of Brigham's wives, go here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp).

That doesn't beat Joseph Smith's record of marrying a 14-year-old in May, 1843 (Helen Mar Kimball). http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

10 posted on 02/21/2006 11:03:10 AM PST by Colofornian (Next we'll hear from pro-polygamy crowd that legalized polygamy would cut down on sex offender crime)
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To: Colofornian
Indeed, in the olden days, Brigham Young did "Bring 'em young"--as did Joseph Smith

That is odd. Steve Young(QB) is Brighams great great grandson. I heard Steve liked them young to.

11 posted on 02/21/2006 11:06:11 AM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (If it wasn't for marriage, I would not have this screenname.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Only took three posts...


12 posted on 02/21/2006 11:07:18 AM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: colorcountry
Being Mormon doesn't automatically make you a good person any more than being Republican does.

The underlying assumption we all make is that anybody of any religious stripe is good --or has the potential for exaltation into the "good stratosphere" based upon their measure of goodness. Jesus did not share this presumption: "'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good--except God alone.'" (Mark 10:18).

Jesus levels the playing field before the cross by undercutting any spiritual pride that presumes we don't Him as our great physician ("It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick...For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."--Mt 9:12) Jesus is for the person who understands the cancerous diagnosis of sin.

We're all spiritually unhealthy and depraved [depraved doesn't mean being as bad as we can be; it's just no part of our being is untouched by sin]. Yet that doesn't pre-empt people from accomplishing good works.

Some folks do good works and give the credit for those works to God the Holy Spirit working through them; some folks do outwardly good works and assume the credit for themselves, stealing God's glory. Theft of God's glory thereby defeats any act otherwise qualifying itself as "good."

13 posted on 02/21/2006 11:35:00 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (KJV)


14 posted on 02/21/2006 11:44:55 AM PST by colorcountry (The devil has many tools. Dishonesty is the handle that fits them all.)
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To: robertpaulsen

The 63-year-old man is being investigated


15 posted on 02/21/2006 12:06:38 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
The 63-year-old man is being investigated

Why the investigation=resignation?

16 posted on 02/21/2006 12:16:27 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: colorcountry
I've read this statement on every thread about Mormonism ever posted on Free Republic. Most of them are. It's those that aren't we have to watch out for! Being Mormon doesn't automatically make you a good person any more than being Republican does.

The same goes for all religions. Claiming to be of one religion or another doesn't automatically make anyone perfect. Every mortal is susceptible to temptation.

17 posted on 02/21/2006 1:31:34 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Colofornian

A 63-year-old assistant professor?


18 posted on 02/21/2006 1:33:29 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
A 63-year-old assistant professor?

63-y.o. assistant professors unveil a defensive gatekeeper mentality. Can't have rambuctious whipper-snappers sticking their noses in places that defaces the rep of the church. History, in part, is for P.R. purposes to defend the status quo, not for letting truth fall where it may.

That's why historical docs in the archives of the church are under greater raps than ever...see (ex-BYU prof) Quinn's writings & what he's revealed about historical queries into church writings of gen authorites and the ensuing crackdown of access to such materials.

19 posted on 02/21/2006 2:28:29 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; Spiff; colorcountry

Only the Lord knows what in each of our hearts and minds!

To mock is careless you might attract something you wished you never tempted!

Some get gratification through sex, some by eating, hording too much, and some by tearing others down!

Pick your poison!

He who is without sin cast the first stone as the Savior would say!


20 posted on 02/22/2006 5:36:58 AM PST by restornu (words of Zenock to be crucified, of Neum to be buried in a sepulcher,of Zenos three days of darknes)
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To: restornu

Restornu,

I was simply pointing out that someone is no better, or worse for procliaming to be Christian, Mormon or otherwise. I was not denigrating your religion.

I was simply pointing out the fact, that if we trust people based upon a "label," we are doing ourselves harm.


21 posted on 02/22/2006 6:43:32 AM PST by colorcountry (.....he has mercy upon whom he wills, and he hardens whom he wills.)
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To: colorcountry
Being Mormon doesn't automatically make you a good person any more than being Republican does.

I agree. I don't, however, see anything about his being a Mormon in the story. Does one have to a Mormon to teach at BYU?

22 posted on 02/22/2006 6:54:02 AM PST by Washi
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To: Washi

Yes, I believe it is a requisite for teaching at BYU. One needs to be a member in good standing.

I live in Utah, and this story has been the subject of local news for several days now. I believe this is where I heard he was LDS.


23 posted on 02/22/2006 7:01:24 AM PST by colorcountry (.....he has mercy upon whom he wills, and he hardens whom he wills.)
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To: Washi
From the above article:

"People ... in high positions, political or financial positions or church positions, (that you would think) wouldn't have those kinds of problems. We all know that they do. We deal with them every day."

I was just reiterating this comment in my original post to this thread.

24 posted on 02/22/2006 7:03:49 AM PST by colorcountry (.....he has mercy upon whom he wills, and he hardens whom he wills.)
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To: colorcountry
>All the Mormons I know are such good, family oriented, honest, decent folks!
I've read this statement on every thread about Mormonism ever posted on Free Republic. Most of them are
>The man worked as an assistant professor of information systems . . .

Yeah, Mormons are fine,
it's the info systems types
who are the trouble.

Info systems types
couldn't cut it in DP
so they live their life

in the minor leagues
setting up computers for
secretaries and

looking up their skirts
when they're running the cables
underneath the desk.

25 posted on 02/22/2006 7:08:17 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

Yep, it's quite strange that after being with the University for almost 20 years, the guy is an "assistant professor."


26 posted on 02/22/2006 7:11:53 AM PST by colorcountry (.....he has mercy upon whom he wills, and he hardens whom he wills.)
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To: Colofornian
Clinical psychologist Allan Roe said he sees close to 25 people a week
in his Orem office (snip)
"It's an ongoing issue and it's only getting worse.
And I only deal with the ones who want to solve the problem."


This is a BIG societal problem. And it ain't just professors or
one religious group. Even conservative Christian talk radio takes on the
topic and is open about what a problem it is for even a lot of pastors/preachers.
27 posted on 02/22/2006 7:21:56 AM PST by VOA
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To: Colofornian

At Berkley this behavior is called "research".


28 posted on 02/22/2006 7:23:35 AM PST by joebuck
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To: restornu
Only the Lord knows what in each of our hearts and minds! To mock is careless you might attract something you wished you never tempted!...cast the first stone...

Whose mocking? Saying a video-taping injures the innocence of a 14-year-old girl is mocking? Why don't you see things through her eyes? Not a word about the victim from you? Why not?

Whose stoning? In the context from which you quote this verse, stoning was to call for the death penalty for sex offenders. Who has advocated the death of this man?

In fact, if you review my post #13, I already pointed out part of what your scolding was all about: That we're all without sin...I wrote, "We're all spiritually unhealthy and depraved [depraved doesn't mean being as bad as we can be; it's just no part of our being is untouched by sin]."

Are you consistent? Do you think John the Baptist needed a scolding for pointing out the sin of Herod [the act which John eventually lost his head over]? Did John the Baptist need to hear Jesus' words about "casting the first stone" at Herod? (I mean, John the Baptist wasn't without sin, was he?) Public accountability is a good thing. It pre-empts rug-sweeping.

Finally, in light of what else I mentioned in post #13 (I quote it again in the final graph below) -- I think what this man may have done or what any sex offender has done--doesn't disqualify them from heaven. Heaven is grace-based, and our sin is exactly what qualifies us for applying the cross to our lives.

What is spiritually dangerous is to say "future god" [Lds doctrine] and "sex offender" [Lds authority & priest] in the same sentence. For example, can you imagine a Pharisee that Jesus talked about--one who was a whitewashed sepulchre on the inside--claiming he was destined for godhood?

"Jesus levels the playing field before the cross by undercutting any spiritual pride that presumes we don't need Him as our great physician ("It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick...For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."--Mt 9:12) Jesus is for the person who understands the cancerous diagnosis of sin."

29 posted on 02/22/2006 8:04:52 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
That we're all without sin

Correction: I meant That we're all with sin!!!

30 posted on 02/22/2006 8:06:22 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
In the 1800's, marriage at that age wasn't all that unusual. In non-industrialized society, girls who have gone through puberty are considered marrying age. Even in the forties, my mother was seventeen by three days when she got married.

Life spans tended to be shorter, and parents who wanted to see grandchildren started sooner.

31 posted on 02/22/2006 8:12:20 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Colofornian

His name is? Is he underage? Why are they hiding his name? Is he an official in the Democrapic Party?


32 posted on 02/22/2006 8:16:16 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: VOA
This is a BIG societal problem. And it ain't just professors or one religious group. Even conservative Christian talk radio takes on the topic and is open about what a problem it is for even a lot of pastors/preachers.

Agreed. Epidemic proportions which runs across all religious and non-religious and denominational lines. This is not unique to any one faith, nor more prominent in any one faith more than another.

I offer only one distinction: When a leader in any given religious/denominational body "falls" in such a way, usually that person has not portended to be destined for future godhood. Those besieged by sexuality issues usually understand the yawning gap between the presence of the Holy God we'll encounter one day, and the sheer lack of such holiness in our earthly lives. Most folks are under no illusion that we're gonna somehow merit a worthy life of exalted godhood.

So when certain men go around and wear the doctrine of "future god" on their t-shirts [not literally, but illustratively], news articles like these indicate a bigger fall has just occurred than at first glance. I mean, a man in his 60s is closer to not only death but godhood in the light of LDS doctrine.

33 posted on 02/22/2006 8:21:37 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Richard Kimball
My mother was 17 when she got married, I was 17 when I got married, my daughter was 17 when she got married. It's part of our LDS culture.

The biggest difference is we married young men and we were their ONLY wives.

Unlike Brigham Young and Joseph Smith who were older men in posistions of great authority who were also into serial marriages to teenagers.

34 posted on 02/22/2006 8:21:58 AM PST by colorcountry (Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself)
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To: eleni121
His name is? Is he underage? Why are they hiding his name?

Good questions. Somebody help us out here. There are really only two possible reasons for not mentioning a name in an article like this.

The first reason is to protect the victim. If you name the suspected perpetrator, in some cases it makes it obvious who the victim was.

The more likely reason in this case is that the Deseret News is a church-owned newspaper, and therefore wants to protect its own.

Can anybody shed any light on this?

35 posted on 02/22/2006 8:25:24 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
A pedophile professor masturbating to images of a teen girl? I'm shocked, I tell you. You never know what you'll discover hidden in high places.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

36 posted on 02/22/2006 8:27:18 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Richard Kimball; colorcountry
In the 1800's, marriage at that age wasn't all that unusual...Even in the forties, my mother was seventeen by three days when she got married. Life spans tended to be shorter, and parents who wanted to see grandchildren started sooner.

We all have relatives who have married young (my extended family--also 17), even in more recent times. The differences I'm talking about is that your Mom & other family members we know usually made individual personal decisions to marry. They were not arranged by family members.

It's also true that it wasn't unique for non-Mormon family members in the 1800s to be involved in arranging marriages for their teen-aged children--even young children (and this is still done today in other cultures). The difference was that these children were not the 8th or 12th or umpteenth wife; nor [as Colorcountry excellently points out] were 14-year-old girls usually wedlocked with 37-year-old men; or 15-year-olds with 42-year-old men; or 16s with 45 yo.

37 posted on 02/22/2006 8:33:35 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: skaterboy
they better get some sense into this girls head soon

I guess they'd better give her X-ray vision:

Investigators believe the videos were created using a hidden camera in either a bedroom or a bathroom and were done without the victim's knowledge, Healey said.

38 posted on 02/22/2006 8:35:04 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Colofornian
BYU professor resigns after vice arrest A Brigham Young University professor arrested Thursday on suspicion of exploitation of a minor and voyeurism submitted his resignation on Friday. The school accepted Robert Bentley Jackson's resignation, said BYU spokeswoman Carri Jenkins. Jackson allegedly set up a video camera that captured a girl under 16 years old in various states of undress. He had the video clip on his work laptop, police said. Jackson, 63, had taught at the school since 1988 and became assistant professor in 1994. He taught information systems at BYU's Marriott School of Management. The investigation was continuing.

http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_3522566

39 posted on 02/22/2006 8:46:18 AM PST by colorcountry (Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself)
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To: colorcountry
Agree with your points, except that I know older men, particularly men of power, were considered good catches by many young girls, as they were established and could provide for their wives better than a young man could. They were also considered...less demanding would be a good way to put it.

I'm not trying to justify the conduct, but I think there's a little bit of risk in viewing this solely through contemporary eyes. I'm speaking of Brigham Young, not the current situation.

As to the adjunct professor, total lack of self-control and incredible amount of stupidity. Sad, sick and busted. I feel sorry for the girl. That's got to give you the creeps when it's not even safe to be alone.

Many moons ago I read about a guy who owned a big house close to a college campus. He broke the house up into apartments. Girls staying there complained to police, after hearing scuffling noises in the walls. Turned out the owner had crawl spaces, mirrors, peep holes and even had the bathroom lights wired so a light would come on in his apartment when the bathroom light was turned on.

I've also made emergency calls on bars (fires), and found peep holes into the women's bathroom from the office area. Unfortunately, it's more common than most people think.

40 posted on 02/22/2006 10:28:43 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball

Yes, it is more common than some would think.

In my business, we replace mirror in some commercial projects. You would be surprised how much can be revealed through tiny little scrapes on the backside of mirrors, if there is also a peep hole through the wall.

As a woman, it gives me the willies.


41 posted on 02/22/2006 10:31:53 AM PST by colorcountry (Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself)
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To: colorcountry

One does not have to be a member of the LDS Church to teach at BYU. I went to BYU. I had several professors who were not members of the LDS Church. They are however held to the same high standards regardless of what their faith is.


42 posted on 02/22/2006 10:39:33 AM PST by Burkean
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To: colorcountry

I looked him up on the BYU catalog--he certainly is BYU born and bred--he has four degrees all from BYU--BA 1968, MA 1970, MBA 1972, and PhD 1994.


43 posted on 02/22/2006 11:09:56 AM PST by Burkean
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To: Richard Kimball
...men of power, were considered good catches by many young girls, as they were established and could provide for their wives better than a young man could. They were also considered...less demanding would be a good way to put it.

Again, you intentionally neglect the broader context. We're not simply talking about age disparity only, but age disparity within the realm of a complex dynamic of "sister-wives" competing for the attention of a husband (not to mention countless children competing for the same thing from a father).

I think were you to ask the average 19th century wife (if you could), their answer would be the same: "Would you prefer a 'less demanding' husband or one in which you're going to have trouble demanding attention from him due to being a small splinter of his spousal pie?" If anything, women want more attention (the right kind, of course) from their husbands, not less.

The only real, measurable "positives" plural wives had going for them in context to their era was division of labor and division of childcare.

As for provision, yes, Joseph and Brigham had the resources to provide for numerous wives and children. Many other polygamists chopped up family resources so many ways the same could not be said of them. Certainly, Joseph and Brigham had no more time to allot to their wives than any other polygamist. Their "power" did not provide more than 24 hours in a day.

Bottom line: Is a "big fish" in a small pond a great catch if you have to devour alongside 25-40 others?

44 posted on 02/22/2006 1:58:20 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; Richard Kimball
MARTHA SPENCE HEYWOOD
http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/h/HEYWOOD,MARTHA.html

A pioneer settler of Nephi, she lived for a time in a wagon box. Her husband visited the settlement several times a year, and she occasionally traveled to Salt Lake City. She supported herself by making hats and caps, and she trained other family members in hatmaking while her husband took orders, collected materials, and marketed the finished items. She also taught school in Nephi.

In 1861 she settled in Washington, north of St. George. There she became well known as a schoolteacher. She held classes in her home, charging three dollars a month, a fee that could be paid in produce or in chores. She died there in her sixty-first year.

Historians consider her diary of the years 1850 to 1856 one of the best personal accounts of that period in Utah. It documents, among other things, the new territory's intellectual life, the settlement of Nephi, and polygamous family life. Unflinching in her honesty, Martha Heywood records ambivalent feelings about her marriage and the dissatisfaction of some Nephi settlers with her husband's leadership. Her own self-examination was rigorous; and her diary remains a testament to her integrity.

See: Juanita Brooks, ed., Not by Bread Alone: The Journal of Martha Spence Heywood, 1850-56 (1978).

She was the third wife of my great-great grandfather. She records in her journal that she was quite often ignored, deprived and lonely.

MARY BELL HEYWOOD - by me, colorcountry

The saddest aspect of this story is about my great-great grandmother, Mary Bell who become the 4th wife of JL Heywood - the first Sherriff of the Utah Territory.

Mary Bell was a convert to the LDS Church from Scotland. She was orphaned at age 8, when both her parents died in Nauvoo, IL.

She was taken into the family of J.L and Serepta Heywood (my gg grandfather) and raised as their child. They provided a tutor for their own children as well as Mary. When Mary was 15, she felt affection for her young tutor, and he for her.

After sending away her tutor/suitor, JL Heywood married her himself when she was only 15 and he was 40.
45 posted on 02/22/2006 3:05:16 PM PST by colorcountry (Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself)
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To: Colofornian

Muhammed beat both Young and Smith... married sweet Aisha when she was just six. Marriage was consummated when she was nine. He was 53. We have a Winner !!!


46 posted on 02/22/2006 3:15:11 PM PST by stand4somethin
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To: stand4somethin
We have a Winner !!!

We also have a pattern.

Each were polygamists. Each were religious founders or prophets whose message contradicted scriptures that came before them (For example, Joseph calling all Christian professors "corrupt" and their creeds an "abomination"; and Brigham equating God to have been Adam--a doctrine since revoked by LDS).

Each redefined Jesus, reducing him to primarily a prophet (Islam) or elder brother (LDS) who was also merely a spirit brother of Lucipher (vs. Lucipher's creator--the traditional scriptural understanding of Jesus).

Big difference between recognizing Jesus as only a mere creature (LDS & Islam) vs. the Creator of all creatures (traditional Christianity).

This problem developed when latter revelations were not judged by former ones. The Bible implies that is not only lacking discernment ("test all things" says John in 1 John), but it's ignoble behavior. The Bereans, says Luke, were more "noble" because they searched the Scriptures to see if what they heard was true (Acts 17:11).

47 posted on 02/22/2006 3:46:02 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

So why are you discrminating on age if that is what they agree on!

there are times it has nothing to do with power or whatever else you might conclude sometimes it is just plain LOVE!


48 posted on 02/22/2006 7:38:32 PM PST by restornu (words of Zenock to be crucified, of Neum to be buried in a sepulcher,of Zenos three days of darknes)
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To: Colofornian
Each were polygamists. Each were religious founders or prophets whose message contradicted scriptures that came before them (For example, Joseph calling all Christian professors "corrupt" and their creeds an "abomination"; You are not being honest on this report

It is the Lord who was disatisfied even those I am among those who find blaming Joseph the messinger instead taking responsibility for many who only give lip sevice!

JS-H 1

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

and Brigham equating God to have been Adam--a doctrine since revoked by LDS).

This was never Doctrine, discourses are not Doctrine!

You have discourses I have them we all have them that is not the say as revelation!

49 posted on 02/22/2006 7:48:02 PM PST by restornu (words of Zenock to be crucified, of Neum to be buried in a sepulcher,of Zenos three days of darknes)
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To: Reaganesque
So asking for tenure is definitely out.

LOL...In California they would consider him for Department Chair.

50 posted on 02/22/2006 7:50:08 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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