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LIVE THREAD: CSPAN 2 - The Saddam Tapes and WMD translations NOW (12:20pm PST)
CSPAN 2 | 2-21-06

Posted on 02/21/2006 12:23:22 PM PST by cgk

Posterboard is up on screen showing translations of what Saddam and Tariq Aziz said on the tapes released this weekend at the Intelligence Summit. It sounds like former UN inspector Tierney is the one reading the translations.


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: auchi; aziz; billtierney; bodansky; hussein; iraq; iraqiwmd; jackshaw; johnajackshaw; johnashaw; johndoe2; mcveigh; murrahbuilding; obama; okc; okcbombing; rezco; rezko; saddam; saddamhussein; saddamtapes; shaw; tarikaziz; tariqaziz; tierney; wmd; wot
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Scalia is on CSPAN 1 now, live as well, but I saw this, and don't know what he's talking about (I heard "living constitution" if that's any help).
1 posted on 02/21/2006 12:23:25 PM PST by cgk
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To: Lead Moderator

Clarification: This is from SATURDAY's summit, but CSPAN is showing it now.


2 posted on 02/21/2006 12:24:06 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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Tariq:

it is not necessary to suspect a country... anyone can do it, an American near the White House.


3 posted on 02/21/2006 12:27:31 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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View of the audience shows something like a dozen people in a large room. Shocker.


4 posted on 02/21/2006 12:28:20 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk; OXENinFLA; Dog; RedBloodedAmerican; Txsleuth

Bump.


5 posted on 02/21/2006 12:29:22 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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Tariq:

I mean, if actually, there is going to be destruction, I think our position is not going to be strong. The others are going to say that ths is true, the five are not going to accept.

(tariq has been on board as supporting bio and chem warfare as well as nukes)


6 posted on 02/21/2006 12:29:57 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

bttt


7 posted on 02/21/2006 12:30:42 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Howlin

Confirmed: Tierney is speaking. They just showed him. He's MAD.

"Just how long is it going to take for them to get the material, folks? Simply because we don't have the evidence sitting on our face? That means we can't say it occurred? That's pathetic! we have to have a little bit more respect for our enemies. "


8 posted on 02/21/2006 12:33:11 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Howlin

bttt


9 posted on 02/21/2006 12:33:20 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

PING...


10 posted on 02/21/2006 12:33:53 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: cgk

What do the tapes say? Any revelation?


11 posted on 02/21/2006 12:34:09 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: cgk

I love this guy!

He almost came through the screen and slapped Colmes the other night!


12 posted on 02/21/2006 12:34:31 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: OXENinFLA

Check this out.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1582942/posts


13 posted on 02/21/2006 12:34:56 PM PST by Peach
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To: cgk

Tariq Aziz is a Catholic.


14 posted on 02/21/2006 12:35:09 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: BenLurkin; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Shermy

Tierney:

Everyone said 'hey there was no relationship between Saddam and terrorists. when discussing the use of bio weapons, he refers to the US Bio Weapons institute similar to Al Hakim. That's Ft Detrick.

Now, after the anthrax letters made their way to various locations, Stephen Hatfield temporarily a subject in the anthrax case had previously worked at Ft Detrick. Somebody, somewhere pointed the finger at him.

We just have Tariq Aziz saying "hey biological's the best way. they HAVE this institute so they can use that as the explanation for why it happened, and lo and behold, Stephen Hatfield was pinned. The man was innocent. He was never tried. And they still haven't figured out where those anthrax letters came from. Not in the legal sense at least."


15 posted on 02/21/2006 12:40:03 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Howlin

Yep - he's my HERO. :)


16 posted on 02/21/2006 12:40:39 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk
Did you read the National Review Online piece from Byron York about Tierney?

Calling it an unflattering portrait would be a major understatement. Apparently, Tierney thinks that Hatfill mailed the letters on Saddam's behalf.

17 posted on 02/21/2006 12:42:40 PM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: TheBrotherhood

GRR... I missed the beginning, which was most of this. They're now bringing on experts to discuss this: Yosef Bodansky first.


18 posted on 02/21/2006 12:42:55 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: jpl
Apparently, Tierney thinks that Hatfill mailed the letters on Saddam's behalf.

From what Tierney just said about Hatfill, I didn't get that impression at all.

19 posted on 02/21/2006 12:43:51 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

Hatfield = Hatfill


20 posted on 02/21/2006 12:44:15 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: All

Jack Shaw on now... fmr Dep. Defense Undersec for Int'l Tech Security 2001-04.

Shaw: confirming earlier on the tapes that the Russians knew where things were.


21 posted on 02/21/2006 12:49:54 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk
I have no idea just what the heck is going on, but clearly something happened that caused a big rift amongst the whole "Intelligence Summit" gang. Woolsey and a whole bunch of other people pulled out at almost the last minute.

With this crowd, who knows exactly what's real and what's disinformation.

22 posted on 02/21/2006 12:52:18 PM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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Press questions now.

Q: "Did I infer correctly that you believe that the anthrax letters were an attack on the US by Iraq with Hatfill being used as the proxy."

Loftus: Yes. I think there's one other point about anthrax. Saddam had a large anthrax dispersal, a group of airplanes that would (check?)train our pilots with big belly tanks. He obviously was preparing to use anthrax, through crop dusters. The first thing that Mohammed Atta did when he came to this country was to try and buy crop dusters. That was his first attack. Apparently, he already had the anthrax. So it's not a long reach to say Saddam may have given anthrax to quote, 'the others', to the proxies he was going to use to attack America. It's not that far a reach at all in view of these tapes.


23 posted on 02/21/2006 12:55:54 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: jpl

I'm having trouble following this well... my 3 year old is bouncing on my lap while I try to transcribe LOL... see post #23 - it does sound at least, from Loftus, that they consider Hatfill may have been a proxy...


24 posted on 02/21/2006 12:57:09 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Shermy

ping to #23


25 posted on 02/21/2006 12:57:49 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

How much press is there and who is it?


26 posted on 02/21/2006 12:58:00 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: All

Bodansky: the kind of anthrax in the attacks was the kind states keep, not something an amateur would make in his garage.


27 posted on 02/21/2006 12:58:39 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Yardstick

There are probably a dozen people in the room, it's a disgrace IMO... haven't heard press announce their names, yet.


28 posted on 02/21/2006 12:59:12 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: jpl
"I have no idea just what the heck is going on, but clearly something happened that caused a big rift amongst the whole "Intelligence Summit" gang."

It has something to do with John Loftus, former Justice Department prosecutor. He was the one that the tapes were given to. I don't understand the whole ramifications but for some reason he is known as a KOOK. Since he headed up this summit a lot of people pulled out.

29 posted on 02/21/2006 1:02:49 PM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: cgk
I just checked out the NRO Corner blog, and apprently Tierney replied to him, and there is a little more of a followup.

The theory is pretty confusing to say the least. I wonder if instead of "proxy" what they're really trying to say instead is "patsy".

30 posted on 02/21/2006 1:19:17 PM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: OXENinFLA
PING...


Thanks for the ping. (interesting)
31 posted on 02/21/2006 1:26:28 PM PST by Gucho
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To: Spunky; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; doug from upland; ovrtaxt; indcons; PhiKapMom

Press Q: "I have read Jayna Davis' book and she does present at the very least extremely strong circumstantial evidence that the Iraqis were involved in OKC and that the FBI did their very best to discourage her. ... If not the FBI, who... and how soon do you think we may be able to find something about the OKC connection?"

A: (Tierney): "I have some add'l info on that. During the Desert Shield time frame, in Kuwait, what the Iraqis did is they, all these Kuwaitis wanted to leave Kuwait and get into Saudi Arabia. They wouldn't let 'em go. They kept them there. There would be 50, 60, 70 and they just leave 'em there. And they wouldn't let 'em go back into Kuwait City. Once you went to the border, you were under their control and they made a little kind of camp there. Then all of a sudden they opened the gates and 200 people would come across the border. Now the reason they did that is because they were using the time to build, to get their infiltrators, either trained Iraqi agents or Kuwaitis that they took their mother, put a gun to their head and said 'you're going to go into Kuwait, you're going to go into Saudi Arabia... you're going to find X, Y and Z'. And then they have this big mass of people making it harder to screen, to spot these guys. Now I worked with the Kuwaitis and we were able to catch some of these guys after the fact. It's one thing to keep in mind.

After the war, at the Joint Interrogation Facility West, I was there I either screened or interrogated a few hundred Iraqis. One of the themes that came up was that in that flow, we're talking ten thousand people there, the people who were cooperating with us were very concerned of Iraqis agents being infiltrated into their midst. Another thing to consider.

During 1992 and 1993, the army sent me back to school. I was in Salt Lake City. I was not happy with the instruction for improving my spoken Arabic, so I ran into some Iraqi refugees that where there under some cherry programs. So I spent a lot of time with these guys, and boy did I learn a lot of things.

But one of the things I learned was that ... they brought up, on their own, was that they were VERY concerned about Iraqi intelligence agents IN the United States out to hunt them down and kill them. Another thing for your consideration.

In 1995 I was stationed at the 3rd Armored Corps of Ft Hood Texas, the OKC bombing happens within hours I and another Arabic linguist are alerted: "You're going up to Oklahoma City, you're going to help out." Ok. I get ready, get ready to go, we're about out the door, they said "Oh... don't worry about it. They know what really happened." Okay, yes sir. Three bags full. Now...

You put all that together and you read Jayna Davis' book, which I would highly encourage to everyone here, and you have to think. You know Saddam has said the war is ongoing. You know that he had his clock cleaned in a conventional fight so he doesn't want to do that again. But if you are waging war against an enemy it makes sense that you take action against your enemy.

So, there you go.


32 posted on 02/21/2006 1:32:37 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Peach

ping to #32 :)... nearly forgot to alert you!


33 posted on 02/21/2006 1:33:32 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

Thanks for this ping, cgk. Appreciate it.


34 posted on 02/21/2006 1:35:31 PM PST by indcons
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To: Yardstick

Ken Timmerman is there.. just heard a name finally.


35 posted on 02/21/2006 1:36:08 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: indcons

Welcome. I wish there was a transcript, or a video. Transcribing is hard! ;)


36 posted on 02/21/2006 1:36:36 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: All

Russia helped Iraq hide and move WMD. Clear evidence of complicity.



37 posted on 02/21/2006 1:38:44 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Yardstick

LOL:

"Roger Simon... Pajamas Media."

well there you have it. :D


38 posted on 02/21/2006 1:39:36 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

Just watched this.....finally we are starting to get some answers...even Ok city, maybe...


39 posted on 02/21/2006 1:42:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

For more information:

INT'L INTELLIGENCE SUMMIT
535 CENTRAL AVE, SUITE 316
ST. PETERSBURG, FL 33701

Onscreen at end of presentation.


40 posted on 02/21/2006 1:43:13 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I sure hope so. I missed the beginning of the presentation, so am trying to find out if it will re-air.


41 posted on 02/21/2006 1:44:02 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

The room was well filled then many left for other sessions....


42 posted on 02/21/2006 1:45:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: cgk; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; onyx; tubebender

Pinging some others....thanks for starting this.


43 posted on 02/21/2006 1:49:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: cgk
"Transcribing is hard! ;)"

I was going to ask you if that was an actual transcript. I didn't much understand the first part at all, but I did the last part. Thanks for your efforts.

44 posted on 02/21/2006 1:50:02 PM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: OXENinFLA

Thanks for the ping.


45 posted on 02/21/2006 1:50:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: cgk

Thank you for remembering :-)

May we find that word is slowly leaking out about Saddam's use of proxies in OKC and anthrax, etc.


46 posted on 02/21/2006 2:04:31 PM PST by Peach
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To: backhoe

You need to watch for a CSPAN replay of this.


47 posted on 02/21/2006 2:10:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks!


48 posted on 02/21/2006 2:20:29 PM PST by backhoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Pinging some others....thanks for starting this."
Thanks for the ping. Drip...drip. Slowly things continue to be made public. Of course. What is to believed without a doubt and what is still just theory.
49 posted on 02/21/2006 5:08:04 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Peach; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; indcons; ovrtaxt; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Howlin; kcvl; BenLurkin; ..

Pajamas Media: VIDEO INTERVIEW WITH TIERNEY FROM INTELLIGENCE SUMMIT: **EXCERPT ONLY**

Former military intelligence officer and Arabic expert Bill Tierney is the man who revealed the Saddam tapes, translating them somewhat differently from ABC/Nightline. In the first segment of Pajamas Medias’ coverage of the Intelligence Summit, we hear portions of Tierney’s opening speech at the Summit followed by an interview which ends in a most surprising manner.

Source has links to both quicktime and windows media player videos.

Roger Simon from Pajamas Media was at the Summit and on CSPAN asking questions at the end. This portion includes the part of the speech that I transcribed above as well as a portion before that I missed before I found the show.

50 posted on 02/21/2006 5:30:05 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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