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Cheney's ongoing problems
Jewish World Review ^ | February 21, 2006 | Paul Greenberg

Posted on 02/21/2006 4:07:48 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez

"I thought the vice president handled the issue just fine." — George W. Bush, Feb. 16, 2006

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." — George W. Bush, Sept. 2, 2005

Some of us have always thought of Dick Cheney, vice president of the United States, former secretary of defense, industrial magnate and general mover-and-shaker, as The Brains of the Outfit.

We still do, but intelligence isn't everything in a leader. Or even the most important thing — like judgment or honesty or prudence or modesty or, well, name your own favorite character trait. Lest we forget, the smartest people can do the stupidest things. (Cf. The Hon. William Jefferson Clinton.)

It's become almost a Washington mantra since Watergate: What really gets a politician into trouble isn't the mistake, even a serious mistake, but how it's addressed afterward — promptly or tardily, candidly or evasively, well or badly enough to amount to a far more serious mistake, as in cover-up.

Dick Cheney now has stepped forward (finally) and taken responsibility, full responsibility, for firing first and looking afterward on that quail hunt, or maybe looking simultaneously, which can be just as dangerous. That's good.

But he's still sticking with his story about its being perfectly proper to wait till the next morning to let the country know that a vice president of the United States has shot a friend in a hunting accident. Even though presidential counselor Dan Bartlett and the president's press secretary, Scott McClellan, both advised him to get the story out — widely — as soon as he could. But the best advice is of no use if one doesn't take it, and the vice president didn't. .

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KEYWORDS: cheney; harrywhittington; paulgreenberg
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1 posted on 02/21/2006 4:07:48 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I still don't see the big deal.


2 posted on 02/21/2006 4:11:34 PM PST by Honestfreedom
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Great. Let's see the Barrett report in it's entirety then!


3 posted on 02/21/2006 4:12:20 PM PST by jw777
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To: Honestfreedom

He couldn't have said it any clearer.


4 posted on 02/21/2006 4:12:31 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

5 posted on 02/21/2006 4:13:28 PM PST by capydick
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Cheney shoots buddy, waits overnight to tell anyone... It's old news, especially after Mr. Whittington spoke to the press when he was released from the hospital. That pretty much should have put this whole ordeal to rest.


6 posted on 02/21/2006 4:13:55 PM PST by lmr (You can have my Tactical Nuclear Weapons when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Any discrepancy between these accounts wouldn't matter so much if the Veep had been answering questions all along — in the faith that people would understand, sooner or later. But he doesn't seem to have had that kind of faith in We the People, or just in the truth. That's another quality important in a leader, or just in anyone: faith. Faith in other people's fairness. Faith that telling the truth as best one can all along, rather than trying to manage the news, is the best policy."

7 posted on 02/21/2006 4:14:14 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: capydick

If you're going to post graphics, why don't you learn how to do it right?


8 posted on 02/21/2006 4:15:30 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I think he was devastated after shooting his friend and didn't want to appear in public right away.

And the next day seems fine to me.


9 posted on 02/21/2006 4:16:38 PM PST by Daralundy
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I don't see where Cheney hid anything, mislead anyone or did anything to make this a big deal. Contrast it with Chappaquidick.


10 posted on 02/21/2006 4:17:15 PM PST by Honestfreedom
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To: Luis Gonzalez

This would be closer to being a big deal is Cheney was trying to position himself to run for President.


11 posted on 02/21/2006 4:18:08 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Daralundy
His 29% job approval rating doesn't reflect a good image in the eyes of the American people, watch it go down after this.

He did not have to appear in public, he should have had his press people handle the issue expeditiously.

12 posted on 02/21/2006 4:18:47 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Honestfreedom

That was wrong, and this was wrong.


13 posted on 02/21/2006 4:19:09 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

"If you're going to post graphics, why don't you learn how to do it right?:"

the picture came up for me...


14 posted on 02/21/2006 4:19:23 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I must admit that I don't get it....


15 posted on 02/21/2006 4:19:48 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: gondramB

Control the size of the picture in respect to the size of the screen.


16 posted on 02/21/2006 4:20:17 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: capydick

LOL!


17 posted on 02/21/2006 4:20:22 PM PST by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: Honestfreedom
Referencing Chappaquidick, here's Mark Steyn's take:

"Hmm. Let's see. On the one hand, the guy leaves the gal at the bottom of the river struggling for breath pressed up against the window in some small air pocket while he pulls himself out of the briny, staggers home, sleeps it off and saunters in to inform the cops the following day that, oh yeah, there was some broad down there. And, on the other hand, the guy calls 911, has the other fellow taken to the hospital, lets the sheriff know promptly but neglects to fax David Gregory's make-up girl!"

LOL. Is he brilliant or what...

18 posted on 02/21/2006 4:21:05 PM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties and 'Rats: 3 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

What on earth has gotten into JWR? Seems like everything I've seen from them posted here recently is wrong headed. I never would have expected it.


19 posted on 02/21/2006 4:23:43 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I think I can ask you a question and get an honest answer.

If this had been 1998 instead of 2005, if the shooter had been Al Gore instead of Dick Cheney, and if everything else about this story remained exactly the same...what would the majority of the people in this forum, you and I included, be saying?


20 posted on 02/21/2006 4:24:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Well the VP handled it fine. The media botched it as usual. Brownie did work hard but it wasn't enough for such a huge disaster. But if those are the two big concern this writer has with Bush, so be it.


22 posted on 02/21/2006 4:25:47 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Luis Gonzalez
This is just the MSM fighting their losing ground. I say the pres releases everything to a local paper. F the whitehouse press, Watergate was a catcha that lead to the deaths of millions
23 posted on 02/21/2006 4:26:37 PM PST by Roverman2K
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To: Honestfreedom
Well, old Dick does have an interesting past...


24 posted on 02/21/2006 4:27:28 PM PST by Bender2 (Redid my FR Homepage just for ya'll... Now, Vote Republican and vote often)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

25 posted on 02/21/2006 4:28:21 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Pat Buchanan lost a family member in the holocaust. The man fell out of a guard tower.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
B.

I've been out shooting at stuff a few times. I don't see the deal. I'd laugh if it were Gore, because he's a gun idiot. But that's about it for me, old friend.

26 posted on 02/21/2006 4:29:31 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

These dirty little bastards in the press corps think that
they are an important part of the government. The have every
right to print their crap, but they have no right to a
briefing by elected officials--particularly in completely
personal matters. By releasing the story to the Corpus paper,
Cheney did exactly the right thing.


27 posted on 02/21/2006 4:32:07 PM PST by RWCon
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To: Luis Gonzalez

NO BIG DEAL, move along is what I would have been saying in 1998....NOW, regarding a sitting PRESIDENT LYING before a Grand Jury, THAT's NOT a "move along" point. Get over it. Dick Cheney and his staff made sure they had the CORRECT information AND, that his friend was OKAY BEFORE they called in the press....there IS NOTHING wrong here. Sheesh.


28 posted on 02/21/2006 4:34:36 PM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

They are beating a dead horse. He showed a picture of a dead horse, what's not to get?


29 posted on 02/21/2006 4:35:56 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The VEEP has just shot somebody.

OK. This is bad. It is going to be bad no matter what.

The MSM already hates the VEEP, and will play this to the hilt about how the VEEP is reckless and trigger happy and this quail hunt is a perfect analogy to the Iraq War.

The stories are practically typesetting themselves. So what is the VEEP to do?

What other story can possibly overshadow the one that practically cries out to be written? What other angle can deflect the MSM from their inevitable response? This is a chance of a lifetime to destroy the VEEP, which the vultures in the press have wanted to do, more than anything else, for the last five years.

What could possibly distract them? What does the White House Press Corp care about even more than sticking it to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney? What one thing in the Whole Wide World could possibly take precedence over taking down a Vice President and seriously wounding the President?

What matters to them more than anything else is their own positions. What the primping, preening Prettyboys in the White House Press Corp care about most is their own image as dispensers of the Nation's news. What they love, above all, is that they be respected, kowtowed to, and that they be the first to know.

So what does an intelligent, insightful, and fearless political pro do?

He stiffs them. He keeps them in the dark. He refuses to inform them for hours, as long as possible. He lets them know that proper respect is not being, and will not be, paid.

And then to twist the knife, he releases the story to the Corpus Christie Caller-Times.

And the White House Press Corp and the rest of the MSM has fallen for it, hook, line and sinker. Now the story is about privacy, and responsibility to inform and pay respect to the one group that the American People hold in even lower regard that Washington politicians.

It was a master stroke. It was bold, innovative, and perfectly executed. I have never seen the like in my whole life, and probably never will again. And still the MSM has still not caught on. They probably never will.

Brilliant!

30 posted on 02/21/2006 4:39:22 PM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: goodnesswins

The Secret Service called law enforcement within the hour. There is no law as to when or if the press MUST be called.


31 posted on 02/21/2006 4:41:11 PM PST by Carolinamom (I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. ---Ronald Reagan)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

32 posted on 02/21/2006 4:44:02 PM PST by mirkwood (Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.)
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To: gridlock
Not brilliant...stupid.
33 posted on 02/21/2006 4:45:55 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: mirkwood

I love that graphic. It is my new desktop background at work. I can't tell you how many people laugh out loud when passing my cubicle...

...Even more than usual!


34 posted on 02/21/2006 4:46:58 PM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

That was a snappy answer. Fact is, going out shooting at stuff is an old past time of mine. My ears ring now because of it. Always. It never leaves me. I just can't worked up over what happened with Cheney...all I know is that I'd feel just aweful if I were him.


35 posted on 02/21/2006 4:47:05 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: gridlock
By the way...your scenario has the VP using the fact tha he accidentally shot an old friend as a political ploy.

Sad.

By the way...it's us he didn't tell, not the press.

He should have trusted us.

36 posted on 02/21/2006 4:47:42 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: nexttime
"...this whole administration from bush on down, seems to not really care all that much about how they are perceived to most Americans."

"...Bush really doesn't care or maybe just doesn't "get it" on how bad he looks by turning over our ports to a country that has verifiable ties to terrorism or at the very least.

I don't think so. This administration has been run pretty smartly aside from a few gaffs (Harriet Miers for examp.)

After watching tonight's News I can see that there is some sort of game going on here. I'm ready to bet that when this is all settled, Bush will come out smelling like a rose Bush.

What do you suppose Arabs are thinking right now about this stuff? Democrats are their friends? The libs are being played again. Bush promising his first veto so that there might be a bipartisan overide? Thats a tough one to extrapolate, but it'll come to me.

37 posted on 02/21/2006 4:48:22 PM PST by Radix (I really love the liberals, they put the FUN in funerals.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"...all I know is that I'd feel just aweful if I were him."

Where would you have been?


38 posted on 02/21/2006 4:49:17 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Go back to bed - it was an honest mistake, my first when posting images, I believe.


39 posted on 02/21/2006 4:50:06 PM PST by capydick
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To: Luis Gonzalez

A


40 posted on 02/21/2006 4:50:30 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Not brilliant...stupid.

We may just have to disagree. But think it through for a minute...

Which story would you rather have out there? The story about when Vice President Cheney should have informed David Gregory or the story about Cheney being arrogant, reckless, and probably drunk?

Remember, you have to pick one.

No matter what, the howler monkeys in the MSM are not going to let Cheney skate. They have wanted to bring him down since Florida 2000, and before.

OK, Hotshot... Which will it be?

41 posted on 02/21/2006 4:51:03 PM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I thought you would give an honest answer.

You and I both knmow what this forum would have been saying, and it wouldn't have been "B".

42 posted on 02/21/2006 4:51:07 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Cheney wasn't.


43 posted on 02/21/2006 4:51:28 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Whether or not cheney erred in the press relations aspect of this no longer matters. The pissants trying to make mountains out of molehills and the idea that the VP has more important things Io worry about than what they think drives them nuts.
44 posted on 02/21/2006 4:52:40 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If you're going to criticize someone's posting technique, why don't you at least give some clue what they did wrong or how to fix it?

In other words -- that horse looked ok (well, other than being kinda dead) to me. What was wrong with that posting?

45 posted on 02/21/2006 4:52:43 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The biggest Lie of all: that we are the Master of Knowledge.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I think it's great that the MSM is on this false flag of a story........Presstitutes just keep chasing their tail in fine form !


46 posted on 02/21/2006 4:55:26 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: gridlock

This is what should have happened.

White House press announcement:

The VP accidentally shot a friend.

The friend is in stable condition.

The Cheney family, along with the President and Mrs. Bush send their best wishes to the Whittington family, and will keep Harry on their hearts and prayers, asking for a full and speedy recovery.

They ask that all Americans do the same.

We will keep you posted.

(end of announcement)

Trust us not to believe the media, and let us pray along with you Mr. Cheney.


47 posted on 02/21/2006 4:56:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Since algore is not a hunter, normally, my response would have been: Why was he trying to murder the guy??? Is it a "Vince Foster copy-cat"?
48 posted on 02/21/2006 4:57:58 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'm not going off as to whether or not Cheney should have been at Whittington's bedside the whole time. Cheney knows, it would have made a circus of Harry's condition.

Dick shot Harry. It's aweful, it sucked, and I'm glad is was not me. Lord know, it could have been, all the times I went out and did silly things with my friends. With guns, too.

49 posted on 02/21/2006 4:58:57 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

But, but, but...he did get the story out and everyone knew it. Just because the MSM was not involved in the press release to a local paper and there was a delay of sorts is no real reason for the MSM to start criticizing. The writer at JWR might look around for more productive day job.


50 posted on 02/21/2006 4:59:26 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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