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'Bush Was Right'(Saddam's WMD)
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 2/21/2006 | staff

Posted on 02/21/2006 5:38:24 PM PST by kellynla

WMD: The quote above is that of a former UNSCOM member after translating and reviewing 12 hours of taped conversations between Saddam Hussein and his aides. So what's on the covers of Time and Newsweek?

Funny thing about dictators and tyrants: Very often they are meticulous record keepers. The fall of the Third Reich, the Soviet Union and Saddam Hussein's Iraq all produced treasure troves of information. In Iraq's case, there were so many documents and records that even now only a small fraction have been translated and analyzed.

Among them are 12 hours of conversations from the early 1990s through 2000 between Hussein and his top advisers. They reveal, among other things, how Iraq was working on an advanced method of enriching uranium, how Iraq was conspiring to deceive U.N. inspectors regarding weapons of mass destruction and how these weapons might be used against the U.S.

The tapes were officially presented Sunday by former FBI translator Bill Tierney to a private conference of former weapons inspectors and intelligence experts in Arlington, Va. Tierney is an Arabic speaker who worked in the mid-1990s for the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the agency responsible for overseeing Iraq's disarmament.

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthrax; billtierney; fbi; gnfi; intelligencesummit; iraq; saddam; saddamtapes; tierney; unscom; wmd; wot
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1 posted on 02/21/2006 5:38:25 PM PST by kellynla
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To: kellynla

THIS is what we should be talking about instead of Cheney and ports.


2 posted on 02/21/2006 5:40:49 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (atheist)
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To: kellynla

BTTT


3 posted on 02/21/2006 5:42:06 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Everyone is in too much of a lather to even notice.


4 posted on 02/21/2006 5:42:49 PM PST by digger48
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To: kellynla

The Media is about to become silent on the issue of WMD.


5 posted on 02/21/2006 5:43:04 PM PST by ardara
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To: kellynla
Guess the Libs and the Media don't want to face the fact they may have to "Eat Crow"


6 posted on 02/21/2006 5:43:20 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: kellynla

MSM .... CHIRP CHIRP (sounds of crickets)


7 posted on 02/21/2006 5:43:31 PM PST by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: digger48
True enough. Every single thread is about the port issue, ignoring the mounting evidence about the war.

The MSM and DNC couldn't have made this happen any better if they planned it.

8 posted on 02/21/2006 5:44:27 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (atheist)
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To: kellynla
Haven't you heard, Bill Tierney is a Jesus freak. The tapes are not to be believed!
9 posted on 02/21/2006 5:45:42 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: kellynla

Okay look, I don't deny that there's a generic media bias against anything that would make Bush look good, but this is such a gigantic story that is so muffled, even among many conservative sites. (Even here, it gets only moderate play.)

There's got to be more to it than mere media bias. What is it?


10 posted on 02/21/2006 5:45:57 PM PST by Democracy In Iraq (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: kellynla
On one of the tapes, made in 2000, two years after Saddam kicked out U.N. weapons inspectors, two Iraqi scientists can be heard briefing Hussein on their progress in enriching uranium using plasma separation. If successful, their work would have given Saddam the fissile material he needed to make a nuclear bomb.
11 posted on 02/21/2006 5:47:23 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (atheist)
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To: kellynla

Any members of Congress, who were aware of this proof of WMD’s yet actively opposed the Iraq war, are guilty of treason. Indict.


12 posted on 02/21/2006 5:48:07 PM PST by reasonisfaith (It's a safe bet to oppose Clinton on any given issue)
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To: Darkwolf377

Call me crazy, but I think the port issue deserves higher coverage. The port issue is about security threats to come. The WMD issue is already settled, whether to our satisfaction or not. Iraq won't be getting WMDs. If our ports are secured by Arabs, the ports might be used as entry for WMDs.

I still think that the port of Houston or one near it in Texas will be the next terrorist target.


13 posted on 02/21/2006 5:49:13 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Darkwolf377

THIS is what we should be talking about instead of Cheney and ports.""

The operation of our ports is a correct topic for FR, I think. As for Cheney:
Who is making t-shirts that say:
I WOULD RATHER GO HUNTING WITH DICK CHENEY THAN DRIVING WITH TED KENNEDY!!! ??
I WOULD LIKE ONE IF THERE IS SUCH A THING. CONTACT ME DIRECTLY, PLEASE.


14 posted on 02/21/2006 5:49:17 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Democracy In Iraq

Because if the news was actually reported Bush's poll numbers might go into the eighties.


15 posted on 02/21/2006 5:50:01 PM PST by MarkeyD (Make Love, Not Cartoons. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: digger48
Everyone is in too much of a lather to even notice.

This story was posted here many times well before the ports story became hot, and it got a lot of attention. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, the MSM completely ignored it.

16 posted on 02/21/2006 5:50:10 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Darkwolf377

I wouldn't say every thread. This topic is being followed too, although I have to say that far too many Freepers joined the MSM "no WMD" chorus and continue to doubt that there were any. This, despite all the evidence before, during, and after we invaded Iraq.


17 posted on 02/21/2006 5:51:11 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Haven't you heard, Bill Tierney is a Jesus freak. The tapes are not to be believed!


If your comment was meant to be sarcastic or not I have a feeling that Bill Tierney being religious will be all the justification needed for the MSM to kill the story.
18 posted on 02/21/2006 5:51:36 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Too late now. They could find a billion tons of WMD stockpiled somewhere in Iraq and it wouldn't matter. The port story is undoing all that has been done to fight this war in the minds of many on both sides of the political aisle. Whoever took Karl Rove...ha ha...very funny...PUT HIM BACK NOW!

:-) JEDI.

Someone in the White House screwed this up....BIG TIME....


19 posted on 02/21/2006 5:52:23 PM PST by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: LibertarianInExile

The next terrorist target is any upcoming U.S. election. And their strategy is to get democrats elected.


20 posted on 02/21/2006 5:52:54 PM PST by reasonisfaith (It's a safe bet to oppose Clinton on any given issue)
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To: kellynla; ohioWfan; DCPatriot; Peach; McGavin999; tet68; A Citizen Reporter; daybreakcoming; ...

A "good news" ping.


21 posted on 02/21/2006 5:53:09 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Bush was right about the WMD's.


22 posted on 02/21/2006 5:53:26 PM PST by reasonisfaith (It's a safe bet to oppose Clinton on any given issue)
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To: Democracy In Iraq
"There's got to be more to it than mere media bias."

not reeeeely...
but then the Bush administration has not made a big deal out of the tapes either...guess they don't want to embarrass the Chicoms, Ruskees, Krauts and Frenchies who were all probably furnishing Saddam with all the toys for ten years.
General McInerney was just on O'Reilly and he is puzzled too why the administration has not made a bigger deal out of this other than maybe that GWB needs the backing of China, France and Germany at the UN for the present and future.
23 posted on 02/21/2006 5:53:53 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Darkwolf377

I've BEEN talking about it. Proof or no, with eyes closed and fingers stuck
in their ears, my mentally disturbed liberal friends are chanting "Bush lied".

It's nuts. Like we are two countries living on one soil. Not a good sign. Come,
let us REASON together.


24 posted on 02/21/2006 5:54:18 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Democracy In Iraq

I was just watching the O'Reilly show a bit, and they suggested that the Bush admin is doing its level best to keep Russia and a few other countries on board with the WOT--and that this evidence is going to be extremely damaging to them. I'm not saying I buy this argument entirely--and if it's true, I'm not sure I care if someone gets their nose out of joint--but it's a theory I haven't heard before, and it could be true. We do know that the Russians helped Saddam get some of the WMDs out of Iraq and into Syria, for one thing.


25 posted on 02/21/2006 5:55:29 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: JediForce; MizSterious
The port story is undoing all that has been done to fight this war in the minds of many on both sides of the political aisle.

I don't know about that. If THIS story took the place of the Cheney story, would it really turn the tide of public opinion? Only of the dems and their MSM agreed. If Chuckie S and company just said "Nope, nothing here" and MoDo and company dismissed it, I don't see it changing any minds. I mean, what was the opinion of the war yesterday in the minds of the public? I don't see it being overwhelmingly pro.

26 posted on 02/21/2006 5:55:47 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (atheist)
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Do you mean this was one of the few times Bill Clinton was telling the truth?


27 posted on 02/21/2006 5:56:21 PM PST by redlenses
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To: kellynla

The media is never going to make a big deal about this. It's up to Bush to spread this news. I can't figure out why he has spen the last 2 1/2 years hiding any news that supported the war.


28 posted on 02/21/2006 5:56:21 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: kellynla

Call me crazy, but it looks like the biggest rope-a-dope ever is coming. Could it be just in time for the mid terms? I think the Arab harbor deal might be related in some crazy way. Just a hunch.


29 posted on 02/21/2006 5:57:01 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Too worried about Cheny/Gitmo/Katrina/Rove-Gate instead, I guess


30 posted on 02/21/2006 5:57:02 PM PST by digger48
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To: ridesthemiles

http://www.greggarrison.com/images/content/cheney_banner.gif


31 posted on 02/21/2006 5:58:54 PM PST by digger48
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To: crazyhorse691
If your comment was meant to be sarcastic or not I have a feeling that Bill Tierney being religious will be all the justification needed for the MSM to kill the story.

It was, and unfortunately it is... and not just from the MSM

http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/york/york200602200720.asp

32 posted on 02/21/2006 5:59:07 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: reasonisfaith

So he was, but they're probably in Syria right now. And the security of ports and borders are important, yet he persists in leaving the borders practically open to illegal crossing, and now strongly affirms a bad decision to let an Al Qaeda-friendly state run a good number of the ports.


33 posted on 02/21/2006 5:59:32 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Democracy In Iraq
At this point there is an enormous worldwide investment of political capital in the idea that it was a massive intelligence failure. It is the basis of much of the Democratic platform in the United States but very much more than that in Europe alone.

This has to be nailed down completely before anyone who is currently on record as believing the "Bush lied" mantra will even consider it. It isn't yet - it's still deniable as the story mentions, as the fantasies of a sycophant stroking Saddam. Even tied up with bows it will be difficult for its skeptics to swallow - recall how long it took anyone faced with the slamdunk of the Maples/Rather forgeries to even admit that perhaps there were problems. There are still some - the principals among them - in denial. I think at this point there is only evidence and there will likely never be proof - not the sort that those with a vested interest in disbelief will be forced to admit to, at least.

34 posted on 02/21/2006 5:59:47 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Darkwolf377

"THIS is what we should be talking about instead of Cheney and ports..."



Yes. This, and how the Russians helped Saddam move these WMDs out of Iraq. The pieces are finally coming together, but it should have been obvious what the Russians were doing in Iraq before the war. Besides helping Saddam with GPS and anti-aircraft weaponry, they were helping move all the WMD material they (and France) provided to Saddam in the years leading up to the war.

Is it any wonder why France, China and Soviets objected to this war? Just looking at the Stockholm report shows that these 3 (especially Russia) were the leading supplier of weapons material to Saddam. The last thing they needed was for the US to catch Saddam with WMDs with "Made in the USSR" printed on their side...especially since they were also signatories to these UN sanctions and embargos.

This is also why when WMDs weren't found, it was these same countries (especially France) who started the smear campaigns. From future oil contracts to debt and WMDs, these counties have aided Saddam and tried to destroy the US...and its public image, from the beginning. This is a much larger problem than anyone wants to admit or even talk about.


35 posted on 02/21/2006 6:00:34 PM PST by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: Darkwolf377

Just listen to the radio for a few moments and you can hear what the big story is. Listen to a few callers and you will hear that this port move is (in their minds) a step back in the war on terror.

JEDI.


36 posted on 02/21/2006 6:00:39 PM PST by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Jo Nuvark
You've got the right intentions, but peopel JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT FACTS.

Why?

Because the "just know". They trust their gut. And they don't trust Bush because...well, I don't know, they just get "bad vibes" or somesuch stupidass thing.

Politics is the emotional part of governance, seems to me, and that's not going to change because when you don't LIKE the other person--as opposed to disagreeing with their position--you don't trust that when presented with the truth they will abandon their "gut" and admit, yes, you've proven your point and now I change my position.

Look at the debate HERE, for Pete's sake (I'm no angel on this score, either). People don't exchange facts--they exchange "witty" insults. Because if you're proven wrong it's seen as a disgrace, a slight.

It's refreshing to me when I talk to someone about politics and one of us provides facts that make the other go "Hmm, I didn't know that. You're right." When you're tlaking one-on-one with someone you like as a whole person, you know their intentions are good and don't care about intellectual arguments, because they're only that, discussions in which you're both looking for the truth.

Here, on the net, in the media, "Gotcha!" is all, high-fiving and "Yes!" exlcamations. Dana Milbank appears on Olberman, and people watch and think "Well this is the way they do it on TV, so it's how it's done!" No wonder we can't discuss matters of fact when appearance and getting in your face when you "lose" is the norm in society now.

37 posted on 02/21/2006 6:01:18 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (atheist)
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To: Democracy In Iraq

What has happened with Drudge?


38 posted on 02/21/2006 6:01:52 PM PST by ardara
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To: JediForce

Yup. Here in Boston the "libertarian" Jay Severin is pushing so much disinformation it's embarassing. I can hardly listen to him at all, and after that I had to change the channel, I was CRINGING at his ignorance.


39 posted on 02/21/2006 6:02:18 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (atheist)
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To: numberonepal

rope a dope a comin'...

I'm with you. I also think the Cheney circus was designed to draw interest away from this port issue. Bring it on.


40 posted on 02/21/2006 6:02:41 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: LibertarianInExile

Al quaeda is already here. Bush will fight them overseas. Democrats will cut and run. The biggest threat to national security is if democrats get elected.


41 posted on 02/21/2006 6:05:02 PM PST by reasonisfaith (It's a safe bet to oppose Clinton on any given issue)
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To: cwb
Great points.

People should be grateful this isn't MY board. I'd post an Emergency Suspension Of All Threads For One Hour...except this one. LOL

42 posted on 02/21/2006 6:05:20 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377
Now that the President threatened a veto...it is only going to get worse. Where the heck is Karl Rove...he never would have allowed this kind of political mistake. It is embarrassing.
43 posted on 02/21/2006 6:08:27 PM PST by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Bring it on.

I can't really put my finger on it, and I hate to use the word feel, but it feels weird. Bush waving the veto pen today gave me the feeling. Something's up. The stupid Rats are going to fall for it again whatever it is, that's certain.

44 posted on 02/21/2006 6:08:27 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: LibertarianInExile
If our ports are secured by Arabs

This is a complete false premise. If the UAE company buys these ports....they will not be "secured" by Arabs. They will be secured by exactly the same people that are securing them now. Do you see "British" security officials at our ports now doing the majority of security? - Of course not.

45 posted on 02/21/2006 6:10:45 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: JediForce
...he never would have allowed this kind of political mistake

Is it a mistake? Or does he want you to think it's a mistake? G_d only knows what they know. I'm thinking I should trust the Prez here. I'm not 100%, but I'm leaning that way.

46 posted on 02/21/2006 6:12:07 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: onyx

Thanks for the heads up, good news indeed


47 posted on 02/21/2006 6:12:37 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: JediForce

You are completely wrong on the ports issue. You simply don't have a true understanding of the situation. As many currently don't.


48 posted on 02/21/2006 6:13:01 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: ridesthemiles
I WOULD LIKE ONE IF THERE IS SUCH A THING. CONTACT ME DIRECTLY, PLEASE.

You might check www.drudgereport.com. That's where I saw them for sale.

49 posted on 02/21/2006 6:13:31 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (A member of the Appalachian-American minority -- and proud of it!)
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To: Darkwolf377
Dana Milbank appears on Olberman, and people watch

Who? I want their names! ;O)

50 posted on 02/21/2006 6:17:42 PM PST by neodad
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