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(Muhammad)Cartoon debate heats up at forum
Badger herald ^ | 2/22/2006 | Michael Gendall

Posted on 02/22/2006 12:59:47 PM PST by Thunder90

A wide range of panelists assembled Tuesday to discuss the wisdom and ethics of the decision to reprint a controversial cartoon in The Badger Herald last week.

The cartoon, which depicted the Islamic prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban, accompanied an 800-word editorial advocating the “sacred right” of freedom of speech.

The cartoon’s original Sept. 2005 publication in a Danish newspaper continues to spur a heated reaction — sometimes violent — from Muslims worldwide.

“I believe a newspaper, when possible, should give people the information they need to conduct intelligent, well-informed debate,” Mac VerStandig, editor in chief of The Badger Herald, said at Tuesday’s forum.

While none in attendance questioned the Herald’s right to print the cartoon, several panelists — including University of Wisconsin history professor emeritus Kemal Karpat — argued the newspaper abused that right.

“Here is the danger of freedom when it is in the hands of people who are not sufficiently understanding of the world in which they live,” Karpat said. “Such freedoms can be abused when people have the means to utilize them to express their own personal preferences, likes and dislikes.”

But VerStandig insisted the Editorial Board’s decision to print the cartoon was based on its newsworthiness, rather than any religious or political statement the Herald itself wished to convey. Specifically, he said, the decision came after University of Illinois Chancellor Richard Herman reprimanded the college newspaper there for reprinting six of the original Danish cartoons, bringing the issue from an international focus to a regional one.

“I believe in the libertarian principles that say that we gave you all the information, you can each draw your own intelligent conclusions about what’s going on in the news, what’s going on in Illinois and what’s going on throughout the world,” VerStandig said. “We printed this cartoon to help give you that information. We printed this cartoon because other people weren’t.”

Suri Kempe, the MultiCultural Student Coalition’s representative on the panel, said the Herald made an editorial decision to endorse the anti-Islamic speech the cartoon represented.

Implied in the protection of freedom of speech, Kempe argued, is that the defender of speech — The Badger Herald, in this case — is protecting speech that it believes in.

“I mean, what is the point of publishing something just for the sake of publishing it?” Kempe said. “By reprinting this picture, The Badger Herald — as an institution — claims the right to clearly express that it believes … [that Muhammad] is a terrorist, and that by extension it’s calling all Muslims terrorists.”

VerStandig, however, continued to defend the ethics behind the newspaper’s decision, referencing the accompanying editorial.

“The editorial we wrote alongside this cartoon … made absolutely clear that we think it is a repugnant and disgusting cartoon and that we don’t endorse the ideology that comes with it,” he said. Following the formal panel discussion, VerStandig entertained questions from an audience largely critical of the newspaper’s stance.

UW Chancellor John Wiley attended the discussion, and in his introduction to the event he promised all attendees would leave with memories and increased understanding the likes of which would not be encountered in any ordinary classroom experience.

“This is really in many ways what a university is all about,” Wiley said. “This kind of debate about real issues that are on us at the moment — not things that are considered in a theoretical context in a classroom — things that are actually happening and affecting people’s lives.”


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 12cartoons; cartoon; cartoons; madison; madistan; warofthe12cartoons

1 posted on 02/22/2006 12:59:49 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Did anyone there bother to say it was a friggin CARTOON?

Did anyone there bother to say they FEARED death threats?

Did anyone there bother to say if you make exceptions for 1, you have to make exceptions for ALL and that would shut down FREE PRESS.


Idiots


2 posted on 02/22/2006 1:05:09 PM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: Thunder90
The MSM continues to report, inaccurately, on "the Danish cartoons" which "caused the Muslim riots." Both parts of that statement are false, but the MSM is incompetent in catching up with the truth of the matter.

Click below for more, and more accurate, information on this subject -- at the end of the article.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Which, Being Believed, Was, Whether It Was or Not"

3 posted on 02/22/2006 1:05:57 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Now is the time.... ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Thunder90
“Such freedoms can be abused when people have the means to utilize them to express their own personal preferences, likes and dislikes.”

So what?

4 posted on 02/22/2006 1:08:47 PM PST by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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To: Thunder90
“Here is the danger of freedom when it is in the hands of people who are not sufficiently understanding of the world in which they live,” Karpat said. “Such freedoms can be abused when people have the means to utilize them to express their own personal preferences, likes and dislikes.”

Can't have freedom in the hands of people eh Kemal?

5 posted on 02/22/2006 1:09:07 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Thunder90

They destroyed art over the centuries for depicting anyone.
I am surprised they ever accepted television.
They destroyed the twin towers because they thought it an idol.
But, they bow several times a day to their idol, Mecca.
And, they are offended by some scribbles they claim are blasphemous
when Mohammed is the mother of all blasphemers for denying the
divinity of Christ...


6 posted on 02/22/2006 1:17:26 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Thunder90
Kempe said. “By reprinting this picture, The Badger Herald — as an institution — claims the right to clearly express that it believes … [that Muhammad] is a terrorist, and that by extension it’s calling all Muslims terrorists.”

Guilty conscience Kempe?
7 posted on 02/22/2006 1:26:16 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Thunder90

"Implied in the protection of freedom of speech, Kempe argued, is that the defender of speech — The Badger Herald, in this case — is protecting speech that it believes in."

What!!!!!!!!!!!! This clown got into college?


8 posted on 02/22/2006 1:26:31 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Thunder90
"While none in attendance questioned the Herald’s right to print the cartoon, several panelists — including University of Wisconsin history professor emeritus Kemal Karpat — argued the newspaper abused that right."

Kemal Karpat? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA I wouldn't take this joker seriously just from the sound of his name!

9 posted on 02/22/2006 1:32:43 PM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Thunder90
They sure didn't have any qualms about printing Abu Ghraib photos, even though it put the lives of American soldiers at risk!

What hypocrites.

10 posted on 02/22/2006 1:35:22 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless our troops and our President!)
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To: Thunder90
Suri Kempe, the MultiCultural Student Coalition’s representative on the panel, said the Herald made an editorial decision to endorse the anti-Islamic speech the cartoon represented.
Implied in the protection of freedom of speech, Kempe argued, is that the defender of speech — The Badger Herald, in this case — is protecting speech that it believes in.

Was Kempe born this stupid, or did he require special training to atrophy his brain to the point where he was a suitable representative for the "MultiCultural Student Coalition"?

By this idiotic "reasoning", anyone who supports freedom of religion must simultaneously believe in atheism, Buddhism, Christianity, ..., Satanism, Wiccanism, and Zoroastrianism.

11 posted on 02/22/2006 1:36:28 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Thunder90
I've seen "p*ss christ", I've seen Mary covered in dung, I've seen enough anti-semetic, unpatriotic, and enough religiously (christian) offensive crap, to make my blood boil.

And this.......THIS ONE CARTOON, MAKES YOU THINK YOU'VE FINALLY GONE TOO FAR!

I need an aspirin....

12 posted on 02/22/2006 1:38:51 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Thunder90
Suri Kempe, the MultiCultural Student Coalition’s representative on the panel, said the Herald made an editorial decision to endorse the anti-Islamic speech the cartoon represented.

It is not an anti muslim cartoon. It is an anti-Islamonazi cartoon and yes there is a difference.

Islamonazis are jihadists willing to kill men women and children (by suicide attack if necessary) to push their supremacist ideology of Islam on the rest of the world. Under Islamic law (not just koranic law but wahabi government) muslims are supreme. Jews and Christians hold a lower legal status in society. Atheists, Hindus, and Buddhists are at the bottom of society. The only "co-existence" is under their dominance (they'll tolerate you while it is necessary). There is no freedom of religion in that mindset. There is no tolerance among them for muslims who convert away from Islam.

Bowing to their "international" laws of blasphemy is bowing to their supremacy. Not going to happen. While depictions of Mohammed are not explicitly prohibited, you can bet that portrayals of Mohammed (even those that do not defame him) by infidels ARE prohibited. Such is the double standard.

Certainly wish all of the peaceful muslims around the world were this vocal in speaking out against the "not really real muslim" terrorists. If they aren't muslims then they defame Islam by killing in the name of Islam.

13 posted on 02/22/2006 1:41:47 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: jan in Colorado
Especially when they printed FAKE prison abuse photos.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=fakephotos

Specifically the Mirror's POSED hoax photos and also the porn site photos published by an Egyptian paper and Boston Globe.

14 posted on 02/22/2006 1:45:15 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: Desron13

"You have the right to free speech, that's if you're not dumb enough to actually try it!" - Know Your Rights (Combat Rock) The Clash.


15 posted on 02/22/2006 1:46:37 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: Desron13

They've run MORE prison abuse photos of the same soldiers who have already ready been convicted. What's more they are circulating these images in the midst of global "cartoon" riots (holy wars).


16 posted on 02/22/2006 1:48:09 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: bayouranger

If one labels Mohammed a child rapist, does that mean we are labelling all muslims child rapists?


17 posted on 02/22/2006 1:48:59 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: Thunder90
“Here is the danger of freedom when it is in the hands of people who are not sufficiently understanding of the world in which they live,” Karpat said.

That's as far as I needed to read. These people are dangerous--very dangerous, and they're in our midst.

18 posted on 02/22/2006 1:51:40 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: PaxMacian
I agree.

Buddhist Statues in Ancient Buddhist Complex Destroyed (Published: 03/13/2001)

If ANYONE thinks this war is over our involvement in the Middle East or because of Israel's borders, they are mistaken.

This was the world we were in during the months leading UP to the 9-11 attacks.

19 posted on 02/22/2006 1:53:01 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: PaxMacian
Mohammed is not a blasphemer. He is an antiChrist figure for usurping the story of Jesus (Islam is the only religion to recognize Him but at the same time it denies His divinity, His death, and His resurrection). Mohammed leads the flock astray.
20 posted on 02/22/2006 1:54:42 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: weegee

Well, take into account that muzzies want to be as close to mod-mo's way of life as possible, and given the known history of that pedophile...your guess is as good as mine.


21 posted on 02/22/2006 1:58:21 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: weegee

There are many anti-christs. Not so many false prophets.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


22 posted on 02/22/2006 1:59:41 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: bayouranger

I haven't checked Ask The Imam about that but I have seen several questions where they ask if it is still valid under Islam to have sex slaves. The Imam agree "yes" but say that slavery is out of fashion for now. Also they say that the slaves must be seized in jihad and taken to an Islamic territory to be divided up.

The standby answer is that Mohammed was the last prophet and so no Islamic laws will ever change. Whatever "went" in the days of Mo' are still okay today.


23 posted on 02/22/2006 2:06:49 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: PaxMacian
To hear the Mass Media spin in, my post #20 would be verbotten even though it is factually correct (Mohammed came after Jesus and he denies the spirituality Christians find in Jesus).

Now neither side can "prove" which is correct (that is faith) but I should not have to suppress my faith and support theirs. That is why my ancestors came to America.

The only "reformation" I can visualize for Islam (since Mohammed's Islam cannot be altered) is reject it and return to the Bible as Jews or Christians (depending on whether the ex-muslims can accept Jesus). I don't see much consideration for it but again, I state a truth.

And muslims are perfectly free to go down the path they have chosen BUT they cannot expect any reverence from the rest of the world or those of other faiths. Co-existence means as equals, we will not be lesser.
24 posted on 02/22/2006 2:13:07 PM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: Thunder90
A Muslim

Professor Emeritus Kemal Karpat

PhD: New York University MA: Univ. of Washington BA: Univ. of Istanbul

Area: Modern Europe

Specialization: The Middle East (modern); Balkans, Migration Movements and Nationhood; Ottoman Empire & Modern Turkey

Research and Teaching Interests: Teaching fields : Europe, Middle East, Central Asia. Current Research : “People's Houses and the Development of Turkish Populism and Nationalism" and "Settlement of Refugees and Immigrants in the Middle East, 1850-1914"

Selected Publications: The Politicization of Islam (Oxford University Press, 2001) The Ottoman Past and Today's Turkey (Brill, 2000) Studies on Ottoman History (Brill, 2002)

And a Socialist

Students from several University of Wisconsin campuses around the state began a three-day hunger strike Monday, asking state legislators to alter their stand on tuition, which has jumped 37.5 percent since 2003.

UW, UW-Eau Claire and UW-LaCrosse are participating in the hunger strike. The strike includes several Madison groups including the Associate Students of Madison, the Student Labor Action Coalition, the MultiCulturual Student Coalition, Green Progressive Alliance, MEChA and the Teaching Assistant Association.

... Students in Madison are demanding tuition be rolled back to its 2003 standing, rather than allow Gov. Jim Doyle's executive budget proposal of a 5 to 7 percent increase in the next two years.

... The raised tuition may also affect students of color.

Coordinator for the Diversity Education Program Suri Kempe said tuition hikes are not only an economic issue but also a racist policy. "Raising tuition by 56 percent only feeds a racist system that marginalizes communities of people and denies them entry into college and opportunities for a better life," Kempe said.

They should both be sent back. Instead, they are both trying to exercise censorship over a newspaper on an American university campus.
25 posted on 02/22/2006 2:30:32 PM PST by Ragnar54
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To: Thunder90


When we (the American left) say "Free Speech/Press" - we don't mean for you.

"The People" can't handle freedom - that's why they need us.


26 posted on 02/22/2006 2:32:33 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: Tzimisce; MadeInAmerica; Ragnar54; Rummyfan; Thunder90; weegee; jan in Colorado; Lijahsbubbe

27 posted on 02/22/2006 3:52:02 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Ragnar54

Stop the War! was also at that sit-in.


28 posted on 02/22/2006 6:28:02 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: PaxMacian
But, they bow several times a day to their idol, Mecca.

Actually, they bow to a rock(supposedly a meteorite), embedded in a cube and kissed by every muslim able to do the ancient pagan ritual called the haj(if they don't get trampled).
29 posted on 02/22/2006 7:07:28 PM PST by BabsC
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To: Thunder90

Kemal Karpat is just another mindless Mad Moe butt boy.


30 posted on 02/23/2006 9:40:37 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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