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Teen Nabbed After Gun Photos Online
cbs ^ | 2-23-06

Posted on 02/23/2006 8:27:40 AM PST by LouAvul

A 16-year-old boy was arrested Wednesday after postings on the popular Web site MySpace.com allegedly showed him holding handguns, authorities said.

The teen was being held at a juvenile detention center facing three misdemeanor charges of juvenile possession of a handgun, said district attorney spokeswoman Pam Russell. He is due in court Feb. 27.

Police searched the boy's home after receiving a tip from Evergreen High School on Feb. 10, the same day he was suspended, officials said.

School spokesman Rick Kaufman said parents were calling with concerns and some kept their children home after photographs posted on the boy's profile on MySpace.com, a social networking Web site, began circulating through the community.

One photo allegedly showed him lying on a floor surrounded by nine rifles with the caption, "Angel o' death on wings o' lead."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: banglist; billofrights; bradywatch; colorado; constitutionlist; donutwatch; evergreen; expulsion; guns; jackbootedthugs; jbt; myspace; picture; school; teens; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 02/23/2006 8:27:42 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Man, no where in the 2nd do I see an age requirement.


2 posted on 02/23/2006 8:29:52 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: freepatriot32

This one has your name written all over it!


3 posted on 02/23/2006 8:31:18 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: LouAvul
I'm willing to bet that the kid did not know he was breaking the law.

Just because WE know it's wrong doesn't mean KIDS know it.

Plus, you've got the immaturity factor. Kids inherently don't have good judgment. That's what maturation accomplishes.

4 posted on 02/23/2006 8:33:27 AM PST by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss, I don't know what is.)
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To: eyespysomething
"The photos were very disturbing, and while the content was not a direct threat, we just felt it was important for us to take appropriate disciplinary action," Kaufman said, adding the student could be expelled.

When your son's friend came to pick him up today, your son had three (toy) shotguns sticking out of his backpack, a (toy) M-16 with grenade launcher in his hand and a (toy) pistol in a holster on his hip.

I realize these guns aren't real, but it begs the question if perhaps he is in need of appropriate disciplinary action ...

5 posted on 02/23/2006 8:34:53 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: FReepaholic
the kid did not know he was breaking the law.

How is he breaking the law?

6 posted on 02/23/2006 8:34:56 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: LouAvul

After seven paragraphs, I am then able to figure out what state this is in.


7 posted on 02/23/2006 8:37:21 AM PST by Deguello
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To: LouAvul

Of all the stuff going on at Myspace.com this is the least offensive.


8 posted on 02/23/2006 8:38:19 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: SittinYonder

Well obviously what he needs is a better way to transport his weapons!

More holsters?


9 posted on 02/23/2006 8:39:16 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: LouAvul

Being photographed with some guns in your own private home is a crime?!?! I'm scratching Colorado off my list of possible vacation destinations.


10 posted on 02/23/2006 8:40:13 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Deguello
After seven paragraphs, I am then able to figure out what state this is in.

Yeah, I had the same reaction. The story is badly written.

11 posted on 02/23/2006 8:40:19 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: FReepaholic; sure_fine

"Kids inherently don't have good judgment. That's what maturation accomplishes."

Except in liberals, demokkkRATs and other assorted criminals.


12 posted on 02/23/2006 8:40:51 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
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To: LouAvul

All I can see for sure that he did is to pose, somewhere, with some guns, and put the photos on the internet. No threat whatsoever to the school or any other soul.

So he should be found Not Guilty on the three misdemeanor possession charges, and then he should sue the bejeebers out of everybody.


13 posted on 02/23/2006 8:41:06 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: LouAvul
The country has grown so overregulated that posting any picture of yourself can probably be used as evidence that you broke some law or other.

IMO, all laws should have a sunset of not more than twenty years. That's the only way I can think of to keep the byers mucked out sufficiently.

14 posted on 02/23/2006 8:41:07 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: eyespysomething

In Oregon minors may not "possess" guns. 18 for longguns and 21 for handguns is the law. There are exceptions for when used with the supervision of a qualified adult.


15 posted on 02/23/2006 8:41:35 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: LouAvul

Well if it's illegal to post pics of yourself with guns on MySpace, I'll be waiting for BATFE to come knocking any minute now...

...any minute...

...now?...

how about...

...now?


16 posted on 02/23/2006 8:43:24 AM PST by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / Molwn Labe!)
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To: LouAvul
My friend Just canceled her Myspace.com account because I told her about all the horrible things that happen to kids. even kids who think they can handle anything get hurt. I never have or will have an account with one of those web sites!
17 posted on 02/23/2006 8:43:48 AM PST by Reaper FReeper (sometimes I wonder what ADD is, but than I find myself chasing a butterfly.)
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To: LouAvul
adding the student could be expelled.

Suspended and possibly expelled from school for having taken pictures of himself with guns at home? How can the school do that?

18 posted on 02/23/2006 8:44:01 AM PST by kevao
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To: Jack Black

I am talking about toys, I was responding to a post to me, and truthfully, I never read the story.


19 posted on 02/23/2006 8:44:25 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething
More holsters?

I was thinking a nice canvas bag he could unroll to reveal custom pockets for specific guns and ammo. Something he could pack in a hurry and wear with a shoulder strap.

Oh, wait. That's what I want.

20 posted on 02/23/2006 8:44:34 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Puppage
A lot of state,county and city laws are not in the Constitution.
21 posted on 02/23/2006 8:45:11 AM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: fish hawk
A lot of state,county and city laws are not in the Constitution.

Ain't it the truth!

22 posted on 02/23/2006 8:46:30 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder

LOL!


23 posted on 02/23/2006 8:46:53 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: fish hawk
A lot of state,county and city laws are not in the Constitution

I realize that, but what state or county law did he break? How do they know they're real guns? How do they know, if the guns are real, that his father isn't standing off to the side out of sight?

Before you flame me, I am just bein devils advocate here.

24 posted on 02/23/2006 8:49:05 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: kevao
Suspended and possibly expelled from school for having taken pictures of himself with guns at home? How can the school do that?

It goes beyond that - he is being charged with misdemeanor handgun possession by a minor. I used to live in the Evergreen area. I never knew there was such a law in Colorado. But I imagine it was passed after Columbine.

25 posted on 02/23/2006 8:49:12 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: kevao
Suspended and possibly expelled from school for having taken pictures of himself with guns at home? How can the school do that?

what about, Privacy. doesn't anybody realize that people can do what they want, when they want when they are at home. That is so dumb. my cousin has many pictures of her with guns everywhere. Nobody can arrest her unless she does something illegal!

26 posted on 02/23/2006 8:49:19 AM PST by Reaper FReeper (sometimes I wonder what ADD is, but than I find myself chasing a butterfly.)
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To: dirtboy
he is being charged with misdemeanor handgun possession by a minor.

Do they know that he owned the gun for sure?!

27 posted on 02/23/2006 8:51:00 AM PST by Reaper FReeper (sometimes I wonder what ADD is, but than I find myself chasing a butterfly.)
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To: SittinYonder
For those of you with Myspace accounts...

Me shooting a full auto 9mm AR I had just gotten done helping to fix an extractor pin on.

Guess that makes me some kind of criminal now in some jurisdictions. Even though I'm 36, the gun was fully registered, and being shot on a fully licensed and insured range.

One of the other photos I've got on my profile is me holding my varmint gun. At home.

(sarcasm)Oh the humanity! He has black rifle disease!!!(/sacarsm)

The death of common sense in our schools and legal system continues apace...

28 posted on 02/23/2006 8:51:24 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; Mr. Mojo; DaveLoneRanger
lets see how many constitutional amendments were violated here.Obviously the 2nd but also the 1st(photojournalism bloggers count as journalist according to scotus.)The 4th and probably some articles in the body of the constitution itself. (Life liberty the pursuit of happiness.)This kind of hoplophobic bulls**t pisses me off to no end.

The kid was in his own home posing with guns wich is not a violation of any law on the books.In almost every state in the nation children can go hunting starting at 10 years old and younger.There were some storys on freerepublic about 8 year old girls bagging deer and bears are we goingot bust out the child model handcuffs and send in the swat team to lead them away to barbies malibu bighouse?.

29 posted on 02/23/2006 8:51:27 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Puppage
read it again: "police searched the boys home". I imagine the search answers all your questions.
30 posted on 02/23/2006 8:51:39 AM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: Puppage

You are expecting logic and reason. What do either have to do with todays legal morass?


31 posted on 02/23/2006 8:52:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: LouAvul
Here is some good analysis by David Kopel - it's a freakin' federal law:

How Strict are U.S., Colorado, and Local Gun Control Laws?

3. Handgun Possession by Minors

It is illegal for a minor to possess a handgun, with certain exceptions. It is illegal for an adult to transfer a handgun to a minor:

18 U.S.C. 922(x):

"(x)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile...

(A) a handgun;...

(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess...

(A) a handgun;..."

There are some exceptions allowing juveniles to possess handguns while ranching or farming, or engaged in lawful target shooting or hunting. But even then, current federal law demands that the juvenile have prior written permission from her parents, and must carry that permission at all times with her while in possession of the handgun.

It would be a mistake to think that teenagers helping on their parents' ranches and farms are actually complying with this silly statute. On the ranch, they do not carry around prior written permission. Off the ranch, they may carry a handgun in their pickup truck for protection while driving on isolated rural roads at night, as people in their family have for many generations. It is doubtful that most farmers and ranchers even know of the federal statute--or have much interest in studying it.

For a lot of people, federal gun laws have become like the Internal Revenue Code: it exists, but the populace dislikes it, evades it, and does not want to waste energy trying to understand it. The Tax Code and the gun laws and regulations are frustrating, arcane laws which are genuinely understood by only a small group of specialists. We have seen how the citizenry feels about the Tax Code and the IRS. It would be naïve in the extreme to believe that firearms owners do not have the same opinions of the gun laws and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

Current proposals in Congress would make the juvenile gun ban even worse. Senate Bill 254 (which is currently in a conference committee), would a mandatory one year minimum sentence on any adult who transfers a handgun to a juvenile, regardless of the circumstances. A father who gives a family heirloom in a locked glass case to a son on the son’s seventeenth birthday would spend a mandatory year in prison. Mandatory sentences may make good sound bites, but they are cruel and thoughtless when applied in the real world.

Senate Bill 254 would also extend the juvenile handgun ban to possession of so-called "assault weapons" and to ammunition clips holding more than 10 rounds. Magazines holding more than 10 rounds for rifles or handguns are commonly used for target shooting, for predator control, for self-defense, and for other lawful and enjoyable purposes, such as plinking at tin cans. If a 17-year-old can be trusted with a rifle and a 10-round magazine, it does not make sense to turn him and his parents into criminals just for using a 15 round magazine instead of a 10 round magazine.

As for "semiautomatic assault weapons," the very name is an oxymoron. One semiautomatic rifle (e.g., a Marlin Camp Carbine) functions just like any other (e.g., a Colt AR-15A2). The federal "assault weapon" ban applies to some but not all semiautomatics, and classifies guns on the basis of petty cosmetic characteristics--such as whether the gun has a bayonet lug, or whether the magazine protrudes "conspicuously" from the rest of the gun. So-called "assault weapons" do not fire faster, or fire larger bullets, than other firearms. There is no reasonable basis for sending parents and children to prison because a child’s lawfully-used rifle has a bayonet lug or some other cosmetically incorrect feature.

32 posted on 02/23/2006 8:53:49 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: Dead Corpse

LOL ... Looks like fun. Why is the guy with you hiding behind a helmet?


33 posted on 02/23/2006 8:54:11 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
34 posted on 02/23/2006 8:54:11 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: SittinYonder
There is a camera mounted to it. Helmet-Cam!

Pete is too cool!

Super nice guy. Brought a 1000 rnds of 9mm just to share with the rest of us.

35 posted on 02/23/2006 8:56:37 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Reaper FReeper

See my post #32


36 posted on 02/23/2006 8:57:25 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: dirtboy
So, when my daughter turns 7, and I start taking her to the range to teach her gun safety... she needs my written permission?

This crap is why the Founders didn't give the FedGov this kind of power. They knew that they'd wrtie assinine crap just like this. That the Feds are doing it anyway is a breach of "contract".

37 posted on 02/23/2006 8:58:45 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: freepatriot32

38 posted on 02/23/2006 8:59:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Puppage
...How is he breaking the law? ...

According to the article, it's unlawful possession of a firearm by someone under the age of 16.

Probably a state or local law.

39 posted on 02/23/2006 9:01:53 AM PST by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss, I don't know what is.)
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To: freepatriot32

It's a thought crime, comrade.


40 posted on 02/23/2006 9:07:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Dead Corpse
...Pete is too cool!...

Great link. I enjoyed his article and photos on shooting locks. Very interesting results.

41 posted on 02/23/2006 9:10:12 AM PST by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss, I don't know what is.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

daddy must have yelled at him at some point in time

mean, mean daddy, all his fault


42 posted on 02/23/2006 9:10:54 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: LouAvul

On what grounds can the school suspend the student? If he didn't take guns to school and there was no direct threat, I don't understand how they can justify suspending him!


43 posted on 02/23/2006 9:11:51 AM PST by Vasilli22 (http://www.richardfest.blogspot.com/)
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To: Dead Corpse
View the Helmet Cam videos (WMV format):

LOL! I love the helmet cam videos!

44 posted on 02/23/2006 9:12:11 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Deguello
After seven paragraphs, I am then able to figure out what state this is in.

LOL. Well, Google reveals that there are at least three Evergreen High Schools, in Washington, Colorado, and Ohio. Probably more, but those are the first three :)

45 posted on 02/23/2006 9:12:50 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: LouAvul
This is the 2nd thread in as many days about a kid arrested for gun law violations after posting pics on myspace.com.

I'm thinking that people who care about their guns and privacy should not posting pics of them on the internet.

46 posted on 02/23/2006 9:17:21 AM PST by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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To: LouAvul

for later reading....


47 posted on 02/23/2006 9:20:14 AM PST by my4kidsdad
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To: LouAvul

They'd have a stroke if they saw the "Sportsman's Messenger," which regularly features kids holding the guns they used to win shooting competitions.


48 posted on 02/23/2006 9:30:46 AM PST by pabianice (contact ebay??)
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To: FReepaholic
If you liked those... check out Old Painless' Box of Truth.
49 posted on 02/23/2006 9:33:51 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: escapefromboston
Of all the stuff going on at Myspace.com this is the least offensive.

That is the truth. These teen blog sites have much shocking content. A relative of mine had a Xanga site. All sorts of teens and preteens talking about drunkenness, drugs, teen sex, petty crime, etc., etc. Posting their real names, parents' names, addresses.

50 posted on 02/23/2006 9:53:57 AM PST by iowamark
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