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The Elephant in the Living Room: The New Zealand Abortion Study
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | February 24, 2006 | Charles Colson

Posted on 02/24/2006 6:58:15 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

Professor David Fergusson, director of the Christchurch Health and Development Study in New Zealand, is firmly pro-choice. But I suspect the good professor might understand if I point out that, lately, he’s been getting a little taste of what it’s like to be pro-life.

Fergusson and two colleagues, L. John Horwood and Elizabeth Ridder, conducted a study on abortion and mental health. And they didn’t find what they expected to find. Their report states, “Those having an abortion [under age 25] had elevated rates of subsequent mental health problems including depression, anxiety, suicidal behaviours and substance use disorders.” Their report goes on to say, “The findings suggest that abortion in young women may be associated with increased risks of mental health problems.”

Talk about irony. We’re used to hearing about the “mental health” aspects of abortion, of course—but usually, we’re being told that a woman’s mental health is in danger if she doesn’t have an abortion. At the very least, this new study forces pro-choicers to question the all-too-common assumption, an assumption that now is putting young women in danger.

Not that most pro-choicers want to hear this, of course—and particularly not now, with the Supreme Court just having agreed to hear an appeal of the partial-birth abortion ban case, where the issue turns on exceptions about the mother’s health. This is why I said that Dr. Fergusson is learning something about what it’s like to be pro-life. This well-regarded researcher and his team normally have no trouble at all getting their work published. But in this case they had to go to four different journals before they could find one that would publish their study. Fergusson has told interviewers that he knows it’s because his findings are too “controversial”—so controversial that New Zealand’s Abortion Supervisory Committee warned him against publishing his work, not for scientific reasons, but for political ones.

Well, Fergusson himself dislikes the idea that pro-lifers will use his work, and he knows that his research could have a devastating effect on the abortion movement in his country. In New Zealand, as the Herald explained, “Every abortion requires two ‘certifying consultants’ to approve it on certain grounds, usually that a woman’s mental health would be [otherwise] endangered.” You can see what the implications would be if the greater “mental health” risk turns out to be having the abortion.

My hat is off to Dr. Fergusson. Despite the controversy, and despite the fact that his results disagreed with his own beliefs, Fergusson was determined to publish them anyway. And he told the Herald, “It verges on scandalous that a surgical procedure that is performed on over one in 10 women has been so poorly researched and evaluated, given the debates about the psychological consequences of abortion.”

That, my friends, is a true professional and a true scientist speaking. It’s people like this who give science a good name. He’s not willing to ignore the elephant in the middle of the room just because no one else wants to talk about it. Instead, he insists on getting the truth out in the open. And that’s what science ought to be all about—not just in New Zealand, but here.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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Fergusson has told interviewers that he knows it’s because his findings are too “controversial”—so controversial that New Zealand’s Abortion Supervisory Committee warned him against publishing his work, not for scientific reasons, but for political ones.

In other words, they can't handle the truth. But don't forget, they're so intellectually superior to we emotion-driven, religious fanatic pro-lifers.

There are links to further information at the source document.

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1 posted on 02/24/2006 6:58:16 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 02/24/2006 6:59:22 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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3 posted on 02/24/2006 7:00:34 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: jonno

ping!


4 posted on 02/24/2006 7:01:58 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback
That, my friends, is a true professional and a true scientist speaking.

Dittos! Kudos to Fergusson for his ethical strength.

5 posted on 02/24/2006 7:04:41 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Mr. Silverback
As Carl Jung told the world in Memories, Dreams, and Reflections, guilt is a very real and permanent part of a person. How one deals with it (or prevents it) means the difference between sanity and insanity.

Having an abortion as a consequence of sexual gratification means that a woman ultimately has to not only come to accept that she has murdered her child for pure physical gratification but then she must accept that the only way to find peace (clear conscience) is to find divine and personal forgiveness for the act.

Very tall order!

6 posted on 02/24/2006 7:11:37 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: TChris; Mr. Silverback

"That, my friends, is a true professional and a true scientist speaking."

BUMP!


7 posted on 02/24/2006 7:26:50 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I would suggest to Dr. Fergusson that he now do a study from the baby's perspective.
8 posted on 02/24/2006 7:34:43 AM PST by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Studies in Finland and California have showed the same findings.
9 posted on 02/24/2006 7:36:34 AM PST by lizma
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To: cpforlife.org

ping


10 posted on 02/24/2006 7:55:07 AM PST by agrace
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To: Dark Skies

Having an abortion as a consequence of sexual gratification means that a woman ultimately has to not only come to accept that she has murdered her child for pure physical gratification but then she must accept that the only way to find peace (clear conscience) is to find divine and personal forgiveness for the act.

Very tall order!

But one than can and is being done daily. I am the representative of my church for CareNet. CareNet provides information to young women and men who are faced with an unwanted pregnancy. They offer ultrasound services so the parents can see exactly what is going on inside the womb. That the child is not just a lump of tissue, but it has movement and life. This past year, 80 children were born in our county that would have ended up in an abortionists trash heap had it not been for the counselling they received. The women are also provided with health care options. they are told about hopw important it is to get regular checkups throughout the pregancy. They can get diapers, formula and clothing for their newborns as well.

There is also counselling given to women who have gone through and abortion and who are suffering mentally and spiritually because of it. It is estimated that nearly half of the women in the US have had an abortion. (I think the number is 2 out of 5....and growing daily) This issue is huge. And one that desparately needs to be addressed. CareNet is a Christian based organization that truly changes lives... by given sound information to parents who find themselves in an unwanted pregnancy.

The shame that surrounds an abortion can be devastating and crippling for the survivor parents. The guilt can be overwhelming...not just for the women but the fathers as well. CareNet provides counselling for post abortion men as well.

Many years ago, I too had an unwanted pregancy and chose to end it through abortion. I hid that bit of information for many years...from my friends and family. The shame was unbearable. I also hid it from myself. I chose to tuck it deep within me and I ended up suicidal and depressed. I started drinking.

Through all the pain I eventually was found by my Savior....drunk and broken...sitting in a lump on my kitchen floor. He came to me that night and poured love all over me. I was overwhelmed by a God who came into my pit ...the stinking stench of my life to find me and to lift me up. I grew up in a church that taught me that I must be clean before I can approach God. But Jesus came to me just as I was....a sinner... and He redeemed me by His grace and not by my works.

It wasn't until years later that I became involved in the CareNet organization. I recieved counselling for post abortion stress....and found out that Jesus even forgives abortion. He is in the forgiving business and loves to redeem those who appear to be wholly unredeemable and who are shunned and judged by some of his so called flock.

I can testify to what He has done in my life. It IS a tall order, but not an impossible one. He can change you and He can restore you. He is using my life to help those who may want to follow in my footsteps. I am able to testify to others the devastating effect abortion has on the life of the abortive mother. It may seem like a quick fix....but it has life long consequences.





11 posted on 02/24/2006 7:56:08 AM PST by leenie312
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To: lizma

This needs more work. Now it looks like a correlation. It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.


12 posted on 02/24/2006 7:56:31 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

There is another thread going on the New Zealand story as well:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1584019/posts


13 posted on 02/24/2006 7:58:16 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: lizma
“It verges on scandalous that a surgical procedure that is performed on over one in 10 women has been so poorly researched and evaluated, given the debates about the psychological consequences of abortion.” But But But ... the abortion worshipping NARAL and democrap party tells us even the partial birth execution ban must have an exception for a woman's 'health'! It becomes more and more obvious that the real agenda is to protect the rite of child killing as an empowerment for women and selfish men, twisted women and twisted men (and just using 'men' in this sentence seems anathema because killing your own children doesn't fit my paradigm of 'modern man'; but the 'right' to kill your alive unborn child IS part of the 'modern woman' paradigm of leftist societal engineers).
14 posted on 02/24/2006 8:00:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: ClaireSolt

>This needs more work. Now it looks like a correlation. It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.<

Exactly. Maybe the reason it couldn't egt printed is because it prevents a shaky causality. Women who are having uinprotected sex in their youth probably have a screw loose going in, abortion or no.


15 posted on 02/24/2006 8:11:23 AM PST by teenagebambam
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To: teenagebambam; ClaireSolt; Mr. Silverback

It's also been demonstrated that young women engaging in promiscuous sex are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, etc., etc. ... but nobody wants to believe that there's any causation there, either.

Everyone knows that screwing around is good for young girls! Everyone knows that abortion is good for women! It's not NARAL's or PP's fault that some women just have psychological problems for no discernable reason.

Nothing to see here, folks, everybody just move along ...


16 posted on 02/24/2006 8:53:53 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: Dark Skies

Well stated. I know a lady who had an abortion about 25 years ago, and still suffers from it. She has turned to fundamentalist Christian religion.


17 posted on 02/24/2006 9:10:36 AM PST by expatpat
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To: leenie312
He can change you and He can restore you.

Wonderful post, thx. He has rescued and restored me and I can't imagine living one moment without Him.

18 posted on 02/24/2006 9:15:45 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: teenagebambam

If kids see their parents jumping in and out of bedrooms, what makes you think that their kids will act any differently? What are the role models modeling?


19 posted on 02/24/2006 9:51:12 AM PST by kcbc2001
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To: Mr. Silverback
"In other words, they can't handle the truth. But don't forget, they're so intellectually superior to we emotion-driven, religious fanatic pro-lifers."

There's a first for the thought-Nazis of the left, eh?

20 posted on 02/24/2006 10:01:18 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (It isn't Right vs Left anymore but Right vs WRONG)
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21 posted on 02/24/2006 10:09:50 AM PST by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and a MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: Tax-chick

I am starting to think that the lessons involved in abstinance are somewhat the same lessons needed to succeed otherwise in life. I mean that discipline, self control znd impulse control are desirable traits whereas license and reckless abandon don't workkout that well. I listened at length to a dear friend from Holland, yesterday, making the argument that the Catholic church teaching made women have more children than they could handle. Isn't that all based on the assumption that peole should couple whenever they want? I'll bet that people who have no control over their sex lives lack control in other areas, too. The timr to master this is adolescence.


22 posted on 02/24/2006 11:34:19 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Excellent article. If only more scientists were as bold and honest.


23 posted on 02/24/2006 11:46:32 AM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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I mean that discipline, self control and impulse control are desirable traits whereas license and reckless abandon don't work out that well.

Excellent point. Reponsible people with self-control and perseverance will usually succeed in life.

Another point which occurred to me is that these results are simply common sense: It's natural that women who have killed their babies will show symptoms of unhappiness afterward. The ones who's mental stability is really in question are the ones who *don't* regret what they did.

24 posted on 02/24/2006 12:51:46 PM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: leenie312

" I grew up in a church that taught me that I must be clean before I can approach God. But Jesus came to me just as I was....a sinner... and He redeemed me by His grace and not by my works. "

Sounds like the same Gospel that got me. "Nothing in my hands I bring, simply to thy Cross I cling", great hymn that got it right.

25 posted on 02/24/2006 12:57:21 PM PST by strongbow
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To: leenie312

You are a gift from God. Bless you.


26 posted on 02/24/2006 1:19:36 PM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

27 posted on 02/24/2006 2:26:28 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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Abortion & Mental Health
28 posted on 02/24/2006 2:30:34 PM PST by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy & his nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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To: cpforlife.org
I was very encouraged by this study. First came across it in the Vermont Right to Life newsletter.

So glad to see it on the forum, and grateful for the ping, cp.

29 posted on 02/24/2006 2:39:49 PM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Mr. Silverback
My hat is off to Dr. Fergusson. Despite the controversy, and despite the fact that his results disagreed with his own beliefs, Fergusson was determined to publish them anyway. And he told the Herald, “It verges on scandalous that a surgical procedure that is performed on over one in 10 women has been so poorly researched and evaluated, given the debates about the psychological consequences of abortion.”

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30 posted on 02/24/2006 2:41:30 PM PST by .30Carbine
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It's in the News.


31 posted on 02/24/2006 2:42:19 PM PST by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

You are very welcome!

BTTT!


32 posted on 02/24/2006 3:02:06 PM PST by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and a MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: teenagebambam

"Exactly. Maybe the reason it couldn't egt printed is because it prevents a shaky causality. Women who are having uinprotected sex in their youth probably have a screw loose going in, abortion or no."

Could be they're just horny.

Bottom line, people want to minimize the expense rung up by their actions, without considering that even if they can get society to give you a pass on it, your rational mind isn't BS'd that easily. Your conscience ends up picking at that scab until your soul dies of infection.

I have NEVER been able to figure out what kind of moral gymnastics a mother of three goes through after having had a couple of prior abortions.

Mothers telling these kids, "I love you with all my heart," and "There is nothing I wouldn't do for you." What they should be telling them is, "It's a damn good thing you weren't my first."


33 posted on 02/24/2006 3:12:12 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (If stupidity were painful, liberals would be extinct)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Not surprising.

Remember when researchers thought they had found the gene responsible for homosexuality? Gays, who have been saying for years that being gay is genetically determined and not simply a lifestyle choice came unglued.

They denounced the research that seemed to prove their long-held claims.

Why? They were afraid that parents might selectively abort children that carried the Gene. Yet they continue to support abortion and claim being gay is determined at birth.

Go figure...


34 posted on 02/24/2006 4:16:10 PM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
What they should be telling them is, "It's a damn good thing you weren't my first."

Or they could tell them, at an appropriate age, "I made a horrible mistake, and I will do anything necessary to prevent your making the same mistake."

35 posted on 02/24/2006 4:28:15 PM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: leenie312

WOW! Praise the Lord!!


36 posted on 02/24/2006 4:38:37 PM PST by Delta 21 ( Democrats -- a 40 year war on poverty and still no exit strategy)
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To: lizma

Yep, thanks for providing those links. Of course, only a moron would believe you could sacrifice a child and it would have no (or positive!) reprecussions. Sure, a scared girl who is de facto under duress can be talked into that crap, but the idea that scientists and health professionals believe it is dubious to me.


37 posted on 02/24/2006 5:11:15 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: leenie312

Our local pregnancy center is a CareNet affiliate. Great organization.


38 posted on 02/24/2006 5:12:25 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: leenie312

Amazing testimony, leenie. God bless you.


39 posted on 02/24/2006 5:13:50 PM PST by FlyVet (Inherit the desolate heritages.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Not that most pro-choicers want to hear this, of course—and particularly not now, with the Supreme Court just having agreed to hear an appeal of the partial-birth abortion ban case, where the issue turns on exceptions about the mother’s health. This is why I said that Dr. Fergusson is learning something about what it’s like to be pro-life. This well-regarded researcher and his team normally have no trouble at all getting their work published. But in this case they had to go to four different journals before they could find one that would publish their study. Fergusson has told interviewers that he knows it’s because his findings are too “controversial”—so controversial that New Zealand’s Abortion Supervisory Committee warned him against publishing his work, not for scientific reasons, but for political ones.

The Perils of Peer Review.

40 posted on 02/24/2006 5:14:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ClaireSolt
This needs more work. Now it looks like a correlation. It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.

Go to the source document and you'll find a link to the study text. I haven't read it yet, but it would not surprise me if Fergusson controlled for it.

41 posted on 02/24/2006 5:14:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Tax-chick

Nicely put.


42 posted on 02/24/2006 5:17:05 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback
A story to make you smile.

My daughter told me this evening that she and my granddaughters were riding in the car when they heard a news story about North Dakota passing legislation against abortion.

My 6 year old granddaughter lets loose with "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Roe v Wade has got to go."

Seh accompanied us to the March for Life this year and she says she got that from the "big kids" there.

Big smile on Grandpa and Grandmas face.

43 posted on 02/24/2006 5:17:57 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: leenie312

Wonderful post, BTW. Glad to have you in The Family.


44 posted on 02/24/2006 5:18:30 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: linda_22003

Thanks for the heads up.


45 posted on 02/24/2006 5:19:08 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback; ClaireSolt
The paper addresses confounding thoroughly.
46 posted on 02/24/2006 5:22:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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I am starting to think that the lessons involved in abstinance are somewhat the same lessons needed to succeed otherwise in life. I mean that discipline, self control znd impulse control are desirable traits whereas license and reckless abandon don't workkout that well.

The abstinence speaker Pam Stensel says much the same thing. She not only talks about the general discipline and self-worth aspect, she also makes a very good point about how the pattern of sexual purity/promisuity before marriage can set the pattern of faithfulness during marriage. For example, the guy who slept around with every girl in high school doesn't have the emotional resources and skills to draw on when he's on a business trip and some hottie makes a pass at him.

47 posted on 02/24/2006 5:25:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: ClaireSolt
It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.

Would a unbalanced person be more or less affected emotionally by an abortion than a "normal" person? What's your best guess?

48 posted on 02/24/2006 5:35:14 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: jwalsh07
The Perils of Peer Review.

What's your point? If the guy is sloppy and his stuff doesn't stand up, why didn't he have trouble getting published before he came up with a result inconvenient to the abortion industry in his country? Why did he get published in any peer reviewed journal at all?

Here's the study. Let us know what's wrong with it.

49 posted on 02/24/2006 5:46:23 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: jwalsh07
Big smile on Grandpa and Grandmas face.

Big smile on mine, too. Thanks for sharing.

50 posted on 02/24/2006 5:47:34 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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