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Councilman: Patterson is Grand Dragon of Oakland County, DETROIT
WXYZ, Detroit ^ | February 24, 2006 | Kimberly Craig

Posted on 02/24/2006 3:01:45 PM PST by Fireinthehole

Friday, as city leaders worked on a plan to save the Detroit Zoo, a council member made a controversial comment. Kwame Kenyatta called L. Brooks Patterson the "Grand Dragon of Oakland County," a title typically associated with the Ku Klux Klan.

During a Detroit City Council meeting to discuss transferring the Detroit Zoo from the city to the Zoological Society, council member Kwame Kenyatta lashed out at Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson.

"We’ve asked for a public apology from Mr. Brooks Patterson. He’s refused to give such an apology which ranks him right up there with being a Grand Dragon, in fact, I call him the Grand Dragon of Oakland County who said that this council belong in the zoo as opposed to making decisions for the zoo. And of course he made the comment during the height of Black History Month," he said.

Tuesday, after council rejected a plan that could cost the zoo $4 million in aid, Patterson said in a press conference that council members belong in a zoo, not deciding its fate.

This occurred after council member Barbara Rose-Collins suggested on Monday that state legislatures were treating them as if they were on a plantation, a statement for which she has apologized.

(Excerpt) Read more at detnow.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: detroit; kkk; michigan; racist; zoo
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Hey, Mayor Nagin, TAG, you're it.
1 posted on 02/24/2006 3:01:48 PM PST by Fireinthehole
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To: Fireinthehole

This should be a fun fight.


2 posted on 02/24/2006 3:04:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Fireinthehole

"Detroit delenda est"


3 posted on 02/24/2006 3:04:33 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Fireinthehole

Is there any Detroit official NOT named "Kwame?"


4 posted on 02/24/2006 3:05:07 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Fireinthehole

Kwame Kenyatta is following the path of Coleman Young. Shame that Nichols lost to the catfish.


5 posted on 02/24/2006 3:06:47 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Fireinthehole

Brooks takes NO KRAP from Detroit, under ANY ownership! Trust me, he's having a ball with kwammee and the Kouncil, LOL


6 posted on 02/24/2006 3:19:56 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Fireinthehole
Patterson said in a press conference that council members belong in a zoo, not deciding its fate.

Bwaahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!

7 posted on 02/24/2006 3:23:05 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Fireinthehole

The City of Royal Oak (the actual location of the "Detroit Zoo) or the County or State should sieze it, IMO. The kwamees have let it run down just like everything else they touch, and now one of the larger Zoos in the country is about to become indistinguishable from Detroit itself.


8 posted on 02/24/2006 3:25:02 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Detroit City Council

http://www3.ci.detroit.mi.us/legislative/CityCouncil/Default.htm


10 posted on 02/24/2006 3:51:03 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Fireinthehole

Truly amazing. The inmates have seized the asylum.

I can only imagine what Detroit will be like in 20 years when common-sense flight has caused all but the nost lazy, most corrupt, most animalistic and most brutal to be the only beings left.

Will it be a ghost town or a de-militarized zone?

Are you watching East St. Louis?
Are you watching Cincinnati?
Are you watching Cleveland?
Are you watching Houston?

Hurrican Katrina will prove to be a blessing in disguise that, in the long run, will have saved New Orleans.


11 posted on 02/24/2006 4:14:00 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Brooks takes NO KRAP from Detroit, under ANY ownership! Trust me, he's having a ball with kwammee and the Kouncil, LOL

Youse means dat Grand Dragon Brooks don' takes no Kwamee Kouncil Krap?

Tomorrow's headline: G.D Brooks Tells Kenyatta to take his K-K-Krap & Kram it!

12 posted on 02/24/2006 4:33:51 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
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To: Fireinthehole

The Detroit blacks have very stiff competition these days as far as playing the aggrieved, insulted victim. The cartoon rage of the Muhammadans is way ahead of them


13 posted on 02/24/2006 4:37:07 PM PST by dennisw (Gays love show tunes but Muslims hate Mo' 'toons)
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To: Westlander

Thanks for the link. That is depressing. Looks like a third-world country. Click on Mrs. Conyers and there's a very prominent "ZOO ALERT" next to her pic. Thought that was pretty funny. She must be the communist traitor's wife.


14 posted on 02/24/2006 4:37:38 PM PST by Migraine
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To: Fireinthehole

Kwame Kenyatta. Is that his birth name, or heaven forfend, his Christian name?
Or is it some AKA that goes at the bottom of his rap sheet?
Or does his AKA go in the top line and his real name in the AKA line?


15 posted on 02/24/2006 4:52:15 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: Fireinthehole

Kwame Kenyatta. Is that his birth name, or heaven forfend, his Christian name?
Or is it some AKA that goes at the bottom of his rap sheet?
Or does his AKA go in the top line and his real name in the AKA line?


16 posted on 02/24/2006 4:52:17 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: Migraine
Councilwoman Conyers, she is Congressman Conyers wife.

Yesterday she chimed in with her fund-raising idea, "GM could pay for the elephants." The press had to tell her there were no elephants at the Detroit Zoo, Winky and Wanda were moved to a sanctuary last year.

Today Mrs. Conyers suggested naming the Zoo after Mrs. Rosa Parks.

Okey dokey Mrs. C.

I'll try to find a link to photos from the City of Highland Park, Conyers represents the most depressed area in SE Michigan.
17 posted on 02/24/2006 5:18:08 PM PST by Fireinthehole
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To: jjmcgo

ten to one he was born named for a dead president. Detroit was a black panther town during and after the '67 loot-first-burn-later proceedings.....this is also where Conyers was first seen on top of a car with a megaphone.

Detriot really was a Grand old City until then, and its been downhill ever since.....what you might THINK you saw on the tube with the Superbowl was a contrived sham....its 90% wasteland and dangerous everywhere unless they're putting on a show......they even got serious about arresting wanted felons during the month previous to the Bowl. There has been no competent and good-willed leadership since Coleman Young took office in about 1972.


18 posted on 02/24/2006 5:26:03 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Fireinthehole

Very instructive; it's good to hear from someone close to the situation. Thanks.


19 posted on 02/24/2006 7:44:14 PM PST by Migraine
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
By sham, did you mean I thought I saw the Steelers win but it was really the Lions?

I hear you. The press could have used a wide angle lens, I was waiting for it and pretty shocked when the City was given a gold star.

No one local was fooled into thinking Detroit would spring back to life after XL . . thing is, we all felt good for pulling it off. People were talking about how it was a start, let's work together. . hopeful.

Patterson's 48 Buick jab, 1st thought, big trunk. . Councilwoman Collins is a full figured gal . .

What a train wreck. Jackson & Sharpton are probably clearing their schedules and once again Detroit's slip is showing.
20 posted on 02/25/2006 12:27:39 AM PST by Fireinthehole
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To: Fireinthehole

Check out all of our Abandoned Shelters of the Week

Use the arrows.

http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=6697


21 posted on 02/25/2006 12:28:39 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Fireinthehole; Westlander

This has turned into wretched publicity for the Detroit city counsel, but I have to say that if I were on it, I'd have voted against the proposal, too.

The city of Detroit built the zoo, then rebuilt it after 696 went through it. The City funds the zoo almost entirely, with a little support from the State and a rinky-dink non-profit arm. Despite some snarky comments above, it's an excellent facility, one of the best in the country.

For some reason the mayor is getting off scott free on this. He gave the Counsel 48 hours to vote on a plan to give away the Zoo to a non-profit, then got on a plane for a trip to Africa.

Counsel will very likely vote to approve the plan, but want to examine the deal thoroughly, making sure it's in the best interest of Detroit. There's nothing wrong with that.

Brooks Patterson should STFU. Unless he's offering to bring money to the table, he has no say in the matter. His suggestion that the Counsel were animals who should be put in the zoo wasn't all that helpful.

Not forgetting that a few years ago there was an attempt at regionalization of the arts and zoo funding with a lousy .25 millage proposal. It went down in flames in the suburbs.


22 posted on 02/25/2006 12:52:24 AM PST by ItsJeff
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To: Migraine
Too close. Detroit hasn't had many breaks in, oh, say about 50 years. City and suburbs join forces to save the Zoo, oh no, it's a conspiracy to steal from Detroit headed by "The Grand Wizard" of Oakland County.

Don't see how this disaster can be repaired.
23 posted on 02/25/2006 12:52:46 AM PST by Fireinthehole
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To: Westlander

Thanks for the link.


24 posted on 02/25/2006 1:22:12 AM PST by Fireinthehole
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Hey man, don't put Cincinnati on that list. Its trying hard to stay above water...unlike Cleveland or Houston.


25 posted on 02/25/2006 1:25:46 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: ItsJeff

"The City funds the zoo almost entirely"

Nonsense.....revenue from admissions and overpriced goodies for the animals and kiddies at concession stands within the Zoo fund it nicely, but there are "other" considerations and arms-length fingers in the pie.

Royal Oak, Oakland County, or the State should invoke eminent domain and sieze it, because (like every other public service and amenity in Detroit) it will soon be boarded up if nothing is done to rescue it.


26 posted on 02/25/2006 6:00:05 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Fireinthehole
City and suburbs join forces to save the Zoo

That isn't the proposal and there will never be one like it in this area. The proposal is that the City give the Zoo away to a new non-profit organization that would run it. Fair enough, except that in this plan, the City would still fund liability insurance ($1 million a year) and provide Police security. (I haven't seen numbers for that cost.)

Maybe this isn't a bad plan. But there are some concerns, the biggest being what happens to the Zoo's 160 City employees. They could be fired, have their salaries reduced, pensions eliminated, lose their union, etc.

Another concern, and no one is talking about this, is what magic wand could the non-profit wave to bring in the $5 million a year that the City would no longer contribute. The State offered $4 million in seed money, but no promises after that. All of a sudden the Zoo would be competing against the DIA, symphony, housing the homeless and cancer research to raise money just to stay open. In a year we could be back to square one, no dedicated funds for the Zoo.

In the end, Counsel will probably enact the plan, if that's the only way to keep the Zoo open. But you can't expect them to do it on a whim, with only 48 hours notice. Everyone is acting like this is a no-brainer, but it isn't. This is a big deal and Counsel deserves the opportunity to discuss the scheme thoroughly.

27 posted on 02/25/2006 8:36:41 AM PST by ItsJeff
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Royal Oak, Oakland County, or the State should invoke eminent domain and sieze it

"Eminent domain" only allows you to sieze private property, not government property. But wouldn't that be cool if it did? : )

Of course the sale of toys at the gift shop raise some money, but no where near the $5,000,000 that the City has contributed annually. Not forgetting the millions of dollars in infrastructure upgrades that Detroit voters have approved over the years. You think Oakland County would do that?

But the real issue is that neither Royal Oak nor Oakland County have any interest in paying to run a Zoo. They only want City of Detroit to keep paying for it, or hope that this proposal to create a non-profit might work. (And I just don't see how it can.)

28 posted on 02/25/2006 8:44:13 AM PST by ItsJeff
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To: ItsJeff
"Royal Oak, Oakland County, or the State should invoke eminent domain and seize it."

In theory post Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg and the Kilo Decision why couldn't Royal Oak seize it from Detroit if a better public use is found for their tax base?

Hey I am not an attorney but I did say at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I don't see Kilo stopping at just private property, why not municipality vs. municipality?

Maybe they should and get it back before the Supremes to Reverse Kilo !!!!!!!

29 posted on 02/25/2006 8:59:20 AM PST by taildragger (They call themselves Liberal Democrats, I call them Collaborators.)
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To: taildragger
why couldn't Royal Oak seize it from Detroit if a better public use is found for their tax base?

I'd give a week's salary to see them try it. It'd be a nice "eph you" to Detroit for what they did to Poletown.

That said, I'm pretty sure the best "public use" for that land is that it continues to be the Zoo.

30 posted on 02/25/2006 9:08:09 AM PST by ItsJeff
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To: ItsJeff

"The proposal is that the City give the Zoo away to a **new** non-profit organization that would run it."

False.

The Detroit Zoological Society.....history:

http://detroit1701.org/Detroit%20Zoo%20Marker.html

Here's just one paragraph that belies the claim of it being a "new" non-profit!

"By 1911, Detroit was a mature and prospering manufacturing center on the cusp of tremendous growth due to the vehicle industry. A leading city needs a fittingly impressive zoo so a group of prominent citizens formed the Detroit Zoological Society to accomplish that aim. The next year, the group hired Richard Follett as a full time administrator and, in 1914; they bought 216 acres for a zoo near the River Rouge in Dearborn. That land was sold at a profit to the Ford Motor Company the next year. The money from sale of the first land purchased 150 acres near the Detroit Golf Club close to Palmer Park in Detroit. That land was also sold for a profit one year later and the Society used proceeds to acquire 100 acres near the intersection of Ten Mile Road and Woodward in suburban Royal Oak. The Society had funds to begin landscaping the property but they could not build and support a zoo through contributions alone so they tried to donate the property to the city of Detroit with the proviso that tax revenues would support a zoo."



31 posted on 02/25/2006 10:38:39 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

You're absolutely right that the Society isn't a "new" organization as I implied. I meant that their purpose would be new - running a Zoo. Instead of just being a fundraising arm, their function would be hiring staff, paying bills, securing benefits, media relations - all the things the City had been doing for 100 years.


32 posted on 02/25/2006 2:50:15 PM PST by ItsJeff
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To: ItsJeff

The Zoo is quite capable of financing itself with the gate, food and trinket concessions, and the rides/rentals/parking within.

Councils, Mayors, nepotism, and assorted waste and other diversions that are 'business as usual for Detroit' is what happened to the Zoo. My God, man, Detroit has been on the dole of the State, Wayne County, the Feds, and the suburbs for 3 decades now......and you think they have been pouring money (as they pretend they have) into the Zoo? Please!


33 posted on 02/25/2006 4:39:16 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
The Zoo is quite capable of financing itself with the gate, food and trinket concessions, and the rides/rentals/parking within.

Vn, you think they can raise an extra $5 million a year in trinket concessions? Not forgetting that $5 million is just what the City spends on the Zoo's operating budget. They have also funded capital improvements over the years through special millages. Finding $5 million is only part of what they'll have to come up with to keep the Zoo in as good a shape as it is under City management.

The DIA is run by a non-profit. But big ticket items are largely supported by Taubman, Manoogian and the Ford family. The Zoo doesn't have benefactors like that yet.

Councils, Mayors, nepotism, and assorted waste and other diversions that are 'business as usual for Detroit' is what happened to the Zoo.

If there is a scandal involving Zoo mismanagement, I am unaware of it. I mean come on, this isn't a Macomb County school board we're talking about : )

My God, man, Detroit has been on the dole of the State, Wayne County, the Feds, and the suburbs for 3 decades now......and you think they have been pouring money (as they pretend they have) into the Zoo? Please!

Yes, I think the City has been pouring money into the Zoo. Because, unlike you, I have been there. It's a magnificent facility, entirely funded by private donations and the City of Detroit.

Are you watching/reading the news coverage of this issue? The public isn't upset because the Zoo is in bad shape. They're upset because it's a great facility and in danger of being closed.

Regarding your tired line that Detroit is propped by by the State, County and suburbs, that is absolutely untrue. The State doesn't do ANYTHING for Detroit that it doesn't do for any other community in Michigan. Roads and school funding and a little to help the museums and Zoo. These are the exact same services that the State provides any other city in Michigan.

There are no special programs being spent on Detroit. Even Jennifer's famous "cool cities" grants have eluded Detroit. It only got one of the the 20 awarded, to restore a shed at Eastern Market.

Wayne County is a different animal. It does provide services for Detroit, like a Health Department and tax collections. But that's its job, same as any other county.

As far as your assertion that Detroit is "on the dole" from the suburbs, it's time to take your meds.

34 posted on 02/25/2006 5:13:30 PM PST by ItsJeff
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To: pepsionice

I live and work in Cincinnati. It's on the list for a reason.


35 posted on 02/25/2006 6:05:50 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: ItsJeff

Even if the "City of Detroit" has so mismanaged the Zoo that it has "put" 5M into it, its their mismanagementand worse that made it necessary........and when you consider the hundreds of millions Detroit the shithole already costs society (not to mention its cross-border criminals), the Zoo should be siezed for safekeeping by civilization.

It is a lie to state that "Detroit" subsidizes the Zoo. Society subsidizes Detroit to the degree that we are becoming aware that NOLA is or hopefully "was". Detroit is the Zoo's problem, not the other way around! I live here, too, about 3 miles from the Zoo, and the things I see and hear from "Detroiters" mouths about this is incredible!.....same ole same ole gimme mo gimme mo


36 posted on 02/25/2006 6:19:07 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Even if the "City of Detroit" has so mismanaged the Zoo that it has "put" 5M into it, its their mismanagementand worse that made it necessary........

There you go again with the allegation that the Zoo is mis-managed. You're the only one who thinks that. Why do you refuse to accept that we have a good Zoo?

and when you consider the hundreds of millions Detroit the shithole already costs society (not to mention its cross-border criminals), the Zoo should be siezed for safekeeping by civilization.

Some day you'll have to explain how the City "costs society hundreds of millions." And, I wish you'd get this through your skull, no one will seize the Zoo because NO ONE WANTS TO PAY FOR IT. Not Oakland County, not the State of Michigan, certainly not anyone in Macomb. We're left with either City of Detroit funding (which you seem to deny, which is weird) or hope that a non-profit can raise the $21 million a year it costs to run it.

37 posted on 02/25/2006 6:37:18 PM PST by ItsJeff
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To: ItsJeff

partial truth....NO ONE WANTS TO PAY FOR IT.

No-one wants to fool with it while the "City" of Detroit has any hook in it at all.....and for good reasons, too.

Your city is a bottomless moneypit and in many other ways a major liability to society in every way, locally and federally. But hold on! Just a little more and things will get better, right? yeh yeh, been there done that for decades. Save it for someone who might believe it.


38 posted on 02/25/2006 7:45:59 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Your city is a bottomless moneypit and in many other ways a major liability to society

You have to appreciate the irony here. You're bleating about Detroit sucking money out of the region in a thread devoted to the Zoo, a place that the entire region uses, but only Detroit pays for : )

39 posted on 02/26/2006 6:34:26 AM PST by ItsJeff
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To: Fireinthehole

Grand Dragon? No big deal. Now if he was a Kleagle or an Exalted Cyclops, that would be serious.


40 posted on 02/26/2006 6:39:26 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: ItsJeff

hardly "bleating", LOL (cutesy word, tho)

You're obviously stuck in the Superbowl mode of pumping detroit instead of being honest. The same thing happened in Rhodesia.


41 posted on 02/26/2006 6:57:08 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
You're obviously stuck in the Superbowl mode of pumping detroit

Well we can't have that, can we. Better to piss and moan and make schitt up about a perfectly good Zoo. That's much better.

42 posted on 02/26/2006 2:39:02 PM PST by ItsJeff
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To: All

The picture of the Detroit City Council provided in post #10 raises for me a most serious matter:is that Council really all that multicultural and reflective of the diverse population of Detroit? Argue zoo funding all you will. I find that to be a much bigger issue.


43 posted on 02/26/2006 2:55:06 PM PST by Robwin
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To: ItsJeff

"Better to piss and moan and make schitt up about a perfectly good Zoo."

Yes!

And that is exactly what Detroit City Council et al have done. Poorly disguised extortion, since they've worn out their welcome as "victim". The only remaining problem if the deal goes thru is that they will retain "ownership", so stay tuned for round 2. They might well try to "sell" it the next time around.


44 posted on 02/26/2006 5:37:57 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Robwin

A PHOTOGRAPHIC ESSAY: THE RUINS OF DETROIT

http://www.white-history.com/hwrdet.htm


45 posted on 02/26/2006 6:15:20 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Oh my God, tell me you didn't just post a link to a white supremacist sight to back up your assertions. Jesus Christ.


46 posted on 02/26/2006 8:58:10 PM PST by ItsJeff
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To: Westlander

Kawame looks like the bell boy (who sold or was) Phillip Morris.


47 posted on 02/26/2006 9:05:39 PM PST by lonestar (Me, too--Weinie)
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To: ItsJeff

link to a white supremacist sight

No, I posted a link to pictures of detroit........the same pictures that are on a number of sites under the same title - "THE RUINS OF DETROIT"......search the title yourself and see how many hits there are......admittedly, I should have considered which one to link or not link, but I simply took the first one that appeared, and inadvertently gave you cause to play the race card rather than acknowledge the photographs.......the last time I saw these pics it was through a link posted on the site of WDIV, the local NBC affiliate teevee station.

Detroit IS what it has become over the last 35 or more years. If you need to proclaim the indisputable truth as "racist", go for it.


48 posted on 02/27/2006 6:27:23 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: ItsJeff


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22THE+RUINS+OF+DETROIT%22&btnG=Google+Search


49 posted on 02/27/2006 6:29:45 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: ItsJeff

see, it doesn't matter who dares to publish these pics of the ruination, they always produce a chorus of whining....(I trust that you won't even bother to try the race card bit on a basketball team. Or will you again try to prohibit the truth?)
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Kings apologize for Detroit-bashing pictures

November 10, 2005
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) -- The Sacramento Kings bought full-page ads in two newspapers to apologize for showing derogatory images of Detroit on video screens prior to their home opener against the Pistons.

When the Pistons were introduced Tuesday night, the Arco Arena scoreboard flashed pictures of abandoned buildings, burned-out cars, piles of rubble and other negative images of Detroit. The Pistons won the game 102-88.

The Kings apologized that night and owners Joe and Gavin Maloof bought a full-page ad that ran in Thursday editions of The Detroit News, expressing ``great respect for Detroit's long and rich tradition as a landmark American city and the incredibly positive impact the Motor City has made over the course of our country's history.''

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The ad will also run in Friday editions of the Detroit Free Press.

``We all feel terrible that we made just a big mistake, and we want to communicate that,'' Kings spokeswoman Sonja Brown told the News.

Pistons coach Flip Saunders said he and his assistants were initially angered by the display, but settled down after hearing from the Kings.

``Their organization has always been very first-class. Opening night, sometimes they get really excited,'' Saunders told the Free Press. ``Some of their people, they just really weren't quite thinking all the way.''

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said the league is reviewing the incident.

NBA policy prohibits ``ridiculing of opponents or game officials ... via PA announcements, video, or matrix displays, music or mascot skits.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-pistons-kings-apology&prov=ap&type=lgns




50 posted on 02/27/2006 6:45:29 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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