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Illegals-advocate group
WorldNetDaily ^ | February 25, 2006 | Unknown

Posted on 02/24/2006 10:45:08 PM PST by CrawDaddyCA

A Maryland organization that runs four government-funded day-labor hiring centers is training volunteer "legal observers" to videotape members of the Minuteman border security group and to picket their homes, places of work and their children's schools.

"We are going to target them in a specific way," Gustavo Torres, executive director of Casa de Maryland told the Maryland Gazette, speaking of the Minutemen volunteers who have set up a surveillance site across the street to discreetly photograph contractors who pick up day laborers at the center.

Going out with their own cameras will only be the first step his group takes.

"Then we are going to picket their houses, and the schools of their kids, and go to their work," Torres said. "If they are going to do this to us, we are going to respond in the same way, to let people know their neighbors are extremists, that they are anti-immigrant. They are going to hear from us."

The Minuteman Project's "covert" campaign to monitor day labor centers has been in operation for a little over a week. The group, which started with much-publicized efforts to patrol the U.S.-Mexico border and report sightings of illegal aliens to the Border Patrol, has turned its attention to the employers who hire undocumented workers.

"From a national standpoint, we want to close the border down and stop the flow of illegals," said Stephen Schreiman, president of a newly formed Maryland chapter. "We want to do the same thing here, but our approach will be a little different. What we want to do is to basically discourage contractors and businesses from hiring illegals. It's against federal law.

"We're going to go after these [contractors] at the state and local level because these people aren't paying taxes. We're going to take these people and through a vetting process determine which ones are not paying their taxes and doing business in an inappropriate manner and then turn them over to the appropriate authorities for prosecution. That should put a damper on the hiring of illegals."

The most recent annual report for Casa de Maryland, a non-profit, shows $2,771,615 in income for 2004-2005, of which 51 percent was provided by various government agencies. According to its website, the organization's employment program provides day-labor placement for "low-income Latino and African immigrants ... as employers seek to replace permanent workers." "We never ask for documentation," Torres told the New York Times in December. "Our mission is to help anyone in need of service, regardless of their immigration status. We are proud of that."

Casa's operation has not only been blessed by government funding but it has the support of the local business community.

"In this area, the commercial sector hasn't been harmed in the sense of people being deprived from work because of the day laborers being here," said Erwin Mack, executive director of the Takoma⁄Langley Crossroads Development Authority. "Consequently, while there are issues with their right to be in the United States, that's not what we're concerned about. We're concerned that they wait in an area that doesn't hurt our commercial properties.'

That's not good enough for Minuteman's Schreiman who intends to pursue his effort to inform the authorities about unlawful activity and have the law enforced.

And Schreiman's commitment to stay within the law – and the fact there have been no complaints filed with the police over the Minuteman surveillance – isn't good enough for Casa's Torres, who told a Spanish-language newspaper it would be better if the Minutemen did not interfere with Casa. But it is Torres threat to recruit individuals to picket Minuteman members' children at school that has the greatest likelihood to escalate the tense, but so-far peaceful, situation.

"Threatening children like this is outrageous," said Minuteman Civil Defense Corps President Chris Simcox. "Casa de Maryland's funding should be pulled and its contracts cancelled. It is beyond belief that taxpayer dollars are funding this thuggish behavior."

The Maryland Minutemen have their work cut out for them. Takoma Park, site of the Casa day-labor center they've been monitoring, has declared itself a Sanctuary City and prohibits its employees, including police, from arresting illegal aliens or assisting federal immigration authorities.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; casademaryland; gustavotorres; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; minutemen; mmp
"Then we are going to picket their houses, and the schools of their kids, and go to their work," Torres said.

And hopefully be arrested for aiding and abeting criminals, harassment, intimidation, etc.

This crap needs to be delt with, illegals are criminals, it's just that simple.

1 posted on 02/24/2006 10:45:09 PM PST by CrawDaddyCA
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To: CrawDaddyCA

This is DOJ RICO material!

Where's Perry Mason when you really need him?


2 posted on 02/24/2006 10:47:40 PM PST by djf
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To: CrawDaddyCA

I call a spade a spade.

They are crimmigrants!


3 posted on 02/24/2006 10:49:03 PM PST by djf
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To: CrawDaddyCA
"...and prohibits its employees, including police, from arresting illegal aliens or assisting federal immigration authorities."

How the heck can they legally do THAT?????
4 posted on 02/24/2006 10:50:50 PM PST by Nik Naym (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than Dick Cheney's shotgun.)
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To: CrawDaddyCA
The most recent annual report for Casa de Maryland, a non-profit, shows $2,771,615 in income for 2004-2005, of which 51 percent was provided by various government agencies. According to its website, the organization's employment program provides day-labor placement for "low-income Latino and African immigrants ... as employers seek to replace permanent workers." "We never ask for documentation," Torres told the New York Times in December. "Our mission is to help anyone in need of service, regardless of their immigration status provide slave labor for greedy companies and harass uppity citizens who want the law enforced. We are proud of that."

Your tax dollars at work.

5 posted on 02/24/2006 10:51:48 PM PST by thecabal ("Now die monkeys and stop saying Muslims are terrorists,we are peaceful people!")
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Hmmm...following around little kids...sounds like the Minutemen could make the case for them being child predators.


6 posted on 02/24/2006 10:53:25 PM PST by thecabal ("Now die monkeys and stop saying Muslims are terrorists,we are peaceful people!")
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Someone stalks my kids....things are fixin' to get a bit violent.


7 posted on 02/24/2006 10:57:57 PM PST by trubluolyguy (I don't hate Arabs. But I wouldn't trust a muzzie as far as I could throw Ted Kennedy.)
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To: HiJinx

Pingaroo!


8 posted on 02/24/2006 10:58:15 PM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Some fool's gonna get shot by a Minuteman and I'm not going to have a shred of sympathy for him.


9 posted on 02/24/2006 10:58:47 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: CrawDaddyCA

"Then we are going to picket their houses, and the schools of their kids, and go to their work," Torres said.

Nice threat, jerkwad.

Why don't you try this crap with the muslims? Oh, yeah...you'd get your effing head chopped off.


10 posted on 02/24/2006 11:01:22 PM PST by Levante
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To: thecabal

The problem better be taken care of legally by the authorities in short order or it's something that sounds like it could get out of hand in a hurry. You don't mess with someones kids.


11 posted on 02/24/2006 11:01:27 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: trubluolyguy

Someone stalks my kids....things are fixin' to get a bit violent.


Yup. This ain't good. But it seems as if the government/agencies are unable/unwilling to do their duty, it is inevitable that the people will do it for them.


12 posted on 02/24/2006 11:01:44 PM PST by djf
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To: djf
They are crimmigrants!

LOL!

13 posted on 02/24/2006 11:02:48 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: djf
"Yup. This ain't good. But it seems as if the government/agencies are unable/unwilling to do their duty, it is inevitable that the people will do it for them."

This is the kind of stuff open rebellions are made of.
14 posted on 02/24/2006 11:03:02 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: All

Geeze, someone is gonna get KILLED targeting the kids of Minutemen members! This is a baaaad idea.


15 posted on 02/24/2006 11:03:26 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: CrawDaddyCA
""Threatening children like this is outrageous," said Minuteman Civil Defense Corps President Chris Simcox"

These people start messing with the Minutemen's kids, I predict that some will get hurt or killed. ( I am not associated with the Minutemen, and I am threatening no one.)

16 posted on 02/24/2006 11:03:28 PM PST by de Buillion (Give us your perverts, pedophiles, and sodomites. San Francisco wants YOU!)
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To: CrawDaddyCA
This is sick.

These Rats have no shame at all--stalking kids.

What did the kids do--nothing. Leave them out of this.

17 posted on 02/24/2006 11:04:25 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: djf

Hey now...I'm a crim....lets not bring crims into it

*snicker*


18 posted on 02/24/2006 11:07:01 PM PST by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: Nik Naym

Boycott Tacoma Park, MD.
Boycott businesses that use labor from Casa until they require proof of immigration status from all workers.
Then see how much business supports Casa de baño.


19 posted on 02/24/2006 11:07:08 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Nik Naym

Exactly! Sanctuary City, what the he!! is that?


20 posted on 02/24/2006 11:08:05 PM PST by madconserv (Proud to be FReepin--Support Our Troops)
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To: Levante
Why don't you try this crap with the muslims?

Perhaps the minutemen should expand their activities to include monitoring muslims for terrorism.

21 posted on 02/24/2006 11:17:27 PM PST by staytrue
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To: thecabal

The purpose of picketing the school is to identify the Minutemen kids for harassment and violence from a much larger number of hispanic kids which they will inflame with cries of 'racism' rather than 'illegal', knowing that school staff, most Black kids and a third of White kids will be on their side and the rest neutralized.


22 posted on 02/24/2006 11:18:06 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: CrawDaddyCA
Illegals-advocate group

The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC

23 posted on 02/24/2006 11:18:28 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Make sure it's done inside the house.


24 posted on 02/24/2006 11:20:06 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: All
I wonder why the title to this thread changed? The title should read 'Illegals-advocate group to stalk Minutemen kids'.
25 posted on 02/24/2006 11:28:18 PM PST by CrawDaddyCA (There is no such thing as a fair fight. Thou shall win at all costs!!)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

http://207.176.67.2/clerk/ordinances/other/ord198563.pdf.
Introduced by: Councilmember D’Ovidio 1st Reading: October 15, 1985
2nd Reading: October 28, 1985
ORDINANCE NO. 1985-63
WHEREAS the City of Takoma Park has expressed in Resolution 1985-29 a policy of granting
refuge to the numerous Salvadorans and Guatemalans in this area whom the
Immigration and Naturalization Service actively seeks to expel back to their wartorn
homelands; and
WHEREAS neither the Immigration and Nationality Act nor any other federal or state law
imposes a duty upon the City to enforce or assist in the enforcement of the U.S.
immigration laws; and
WHEREAS it is the policy of the City of Takoma Park that all residents shall have equal right
to enjoy the benefits of Takoma Park without fear of harassment or discrimination
due to their nationality or citizenship status.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT:
SECTION 1. No city enforcement of immigration laws
a. No agent, officer, or employee of the City of Takoma Park, in the
performance of official duties, shall assist or cooperate with the
Immigration and Naturalization Service of the United States in the
investigation or arrest of any persons for civil or criminal violation of the
Immigration and Nationality laws of the United States.
b. Except for Section 1.a. above, this ordinance does not prohibit the Takoma
Park Police Department from carrying out its mandated duty to apprehend
violators of the criminal law, nor does it prohibit police contact with any
Federal agency, other than the Immigration and Naturalization Service, in
connection with criminal or suspected criminal activity.
SECTION 2. No inquiries into citizenship
No agent, officer, or employee of the City of Takoma Park, in the performance of
official duties, shall make any inquiry about citizenship or residency status of any
person seeking to enforce rights or obtain benefits, or discriminate in the
enforcement of rights or the granting of benefits on such bases, unless Federal or
Maryland law so requires for the determination of eligibility of benefits. The City
of Takoma Park administers no program which requires such inquiry.
SECTION 3. No release of information about citizenship status
No agent, officer, or employee of the City of Takoma Park, in the performance of
2
official duties, shall release to the Immigration and Naturalization Service any
information regarding the citizenship or residency status of any City resident.
SECTION 4. Severability
The provisions of this ordinance shall be severable; and if any part is declared by
a court of competent jurisdiction to be contrary to the Constitution or laws of the
United States or Maryland, and the applicability of that part of this ordinance to
any agency, person, or circumstance is thereby held invalid, the validity of the
remainder of this ordinance shall not be affected.
SECTION 5. Effective date
This ordinance shall become effective upon enactment.
ADOPTED this 28th day of October, 1985.


26 posted on 02/24/2006 11:41:32 PM PST by madconserv (Proud to be FReepin--Support Our Troops)
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To: madconserv

Good God, this is the Twilight Zone!


27 posted on 02/24/2006 11:43:38 PM PST by madconserv (Proud to be FReepin--Support Our Troops)
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To: madconserv
Since the city of Takoma Park is so adamant about the issue, perhaps a federal law should be passed baring ALL federal funds from ever getting to Takoma Park.
28 posted on 02/25/2006 12:02:40 AM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life member and loving every minute of it!)
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To: CrawDaddyCA; Admin Moderator

You are correct!


29 posted on 02/25/2006 12:08:34 AM PST by de Buillion (Give us your perverts, pedophiles, and sodomites. San Francisco wants YOU!)
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To: dbehsman
"perhaps a federal law should be passed baring ALL federal funds from ever getting to Takoma Park."

Please don't forget San Francisco!

30 posted on 02/25/2006 12:12:35 AM PST by de Buillion (Give us your perverts, pedophiles, and sodomites. San Francisco wants YOU!)
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To: de Buillion
Thanks for pinging the Admin Mod, I have no idea why the title was changed.
31 posted on 02/25/2006 12:12:50 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA (There is no such thing as a fair fight. Thou shall win at all costs!!)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Seems to be the main point of the article, as expressed by many Freepers.


32 posted on 02/25/2006 12:14:38 AM PST by de Buillion (Give us your perverts, pedophiles, and sodomites. San Francisco wants YOU!)
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To: dbehsman
I go a step further. We need to abolish this Sanctuary City law all together.
33 posted on 02/25/2006 12:16:58 AM PST by madconserv (Proud to be FReepin--Support Our Troops)
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To: de Buillion

No one is going to get killed...i have spoken with Chris Simcox and he is very level headed....this vigilante crap is all from the media. If those idiots want to go follow the Minute Men around, let them do it. Another group tried it down at the border and it just ended up deterring more illegals from crossing, because from the other side of the river, they could tell who was who and avoided everyone. Yet another example of liberal thinking providing the opposite of the intended result.


34 posted on 02/25/2006 1:34:49 AM PST by willyd
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To: djf

Only thing I hope for is a jury of real Americans, not the fake ones. If threatening peoples children causes a problem, the jury should not guilty the protecting parent regardless of anything, imo.


35 posted on 02/25/2006 2:21:31 AM PST by son of caesar
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To: Levante

Yep, you have to give the muslims credit where its due. There will be no more cartoons published either, let alone intimidating ones children. BTW, if they follow around the kids at their schools, what about all the other kids? This smacks of terrorism to me. They are trying to terrify the kids by whatever means they deem worthy.


36 posted on 02/25/2006 2:23:05 AM PST by son of caesar
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To: CrawDaddyCA; All; Jim Robertson

You are correct. We have been chastised in the past for editorializing the supposed content of something by changing the title.

I think Freepers deserve at least to get the original title and meaning of the post.

There is no doubt that alot of editing has happened in the past, many good and loyal Freepers went through hell over the open borders debates.

So if FR has some agenda re:immigration, maybe it should simply say so.


37 posted on 02/25/2006 2:48:22 AM PST by djf
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To: djf

And when Jim Robertson reads my post, boy is he gonna be pizzed!

There can be no justice, there can be no honor, there can be no pride without honesty.


38 posted on 02/25/2006 2:55:11 AM PST by djf
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To: staytrue
Perhaps the minutemen should expand their activities to include monitoring muslims for terrorism.

The MM already have a goal and are so busy with your tresured illegals that they don't have time. Why don't you start a group?

39 posted on 02/25/2006 3:21:44 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster; DTogo; janetgreen
Original title ping:

Illegals-advocate group to stalk Minutemen kids

40 posted on 02/25/2006 3:26:05 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: madconserv
Los Angeles is a "sanctuary city". The illegal aliens have taken full advantage of this, and there are millions of them living here.

Illegal aliens cost the taxpayers of California 10 billion bucks a year, yet any attempt we make to cut these funds off is met with charges of racism and propaganda about how vital these lawbreakers are to our economy. We passed Proposition 187 a few years back by a large margin, and it was thrown out by ONE liberal federal judge as "unconstitutional". Prop 187 would have cut off California taxpayer funds to illegal aliens (welfare, food stamps, medical care other than emergency, etc.)

The wimp Governor Gray Davis wouldn't stand up for his own people and fight this outrage. Guv Arnold is deaf and dumb to this problem, all the while knowing that California is deeply in debt. He pretends that he doesn't know about the 10 billion bucks a year these bloodsuckers cost us.

Our schools are overloaded, and we're having to build new ones to accommodate illegal aliens. Many hospitals have gone bankrupt accommodating illegal aliens. Our social services are overwhelmed. Our towns are looking more and more like Mexico border towns.

Has California been invaded? YES. Is California being colonized? YES.

With all the lame brained proposals to legalize these millions of lawbreakers, watch out, the other states will soon resemble Mexifornia. President Bush is on board and actually pushing this legislation.

41 posted on 02/25/2006 10:25:34 AM PST by janetgreen (Washington fiddles while America is invaded!)
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To: staytrue
They dont need to. The current government can be trusted in dealing with terrorism. The same cannot be said for how they deal with border issues.
42 posted on 02/25/2006 10:51:50 AM PST by mthom
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To: mthom

A few people argue that lax border security is letting in terrorists.

Like you, I think they are wrong.

Further, I think they like to used terrorism as a convienient excuse for sealing the southern border when their real goal is not stopping terrorism but stopping the mexican invasion.

So as long as the anti mexicans use terrorism as a disingenuous excuse, I can be equally disingenuous by suggesting the minutemen start looking at muslims.


43 posted on 02/25/2006 11:04:04 AM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

While I think its possible terrorists could come in illegally over the southern border I also think its probably not the easiest or most advantageous way for them. Speaking of disingenuous. Bush says over and over that we need a guest worker program for mexicans that is so generous that the only people who would want or need to come illegally would be criminals or terrorists. Hes using the threat of terrorism to help push his own favored policies. Thats much worse than any of these "disingenuous anti-mexicans" youre talking about.


44 posted on 02/25/2006 11:16:30 AM PST by mthom
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To: staytrue
I think they like to used terrorism as a convienient excuse for sealing the southern border when their real goal is not stopping terrorism but stopping the mexican invasion.

I want to see illegal immigration stopped whether it's coming from the north, the south, from overstaying a visa, or whatever. Since the southern border is the busiest "port of entry" for drugs and illegal aliens (from Mexico and other countries), it's the most obvious place for more fencing and border patrol agents. Can you think of any good reason why this "mexican invasion" should be allowed to continue unabated?

Even if terrorism didn't exist the borders should be patrolled and only people willing to come here legally should be allowed in. The government's near refusal to enforce immigration law is untenable.

45 posted on 02/25/2006 11:48:30 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: djf

Who the hell is Jim Robertson?


46 posted on 02/26/2006 12:05:35 AM PST by de Buillion (Give us your perverts, pedophiles, and sodomites. San Francisco wants YOU!)
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