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Sunnis and Sadr's Shiites make peace
News.com.au Sunday Times ^ | February 26, 2006

Posted on 02/25/2006 11:01:07 AM PST by jmc1969

THE movement of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, alleged to have played a role in the anti-Sunni violence over the last few days, publicly made peace with political and religious Sunni leaders overnight.

Four sheikhs from the Sadr movement made a "pact of honour" with the conservative Sunni Muslim Scholars Association, and called for an end to attacks on places of worship, the shedding of blood and condemning any act leading to sedition.

The agreement was made in the particularly symbolic setting of Baghdad's premier Sunni mosque Abu Hanifa where the Shiite sheikhs prayed under the guidance of Sunni imam Abdel Salam al-Qubaissi.

The meeting was broadcast on television and the religious leaders all "condemned the blowing up of the Shiite mausoleum of Samarra as much as the acts of sabotage against the houses of God as well as the assassinations and terrorisation of Muslims".

The statement made reference to the key concerns of both communities with the violent aftermath to the attack on the Samarra mausoleum which saw more than 119 people die.

The sheikhs condemned "those who excommunicate Muslims" a reference to the "takfireen" or Islamist extremists like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who justify killing fellow Muslims by declaring them non-Muslims.

"It is not permitted to spill the Iraqi blood and to touch the houses of God," said the statement, adding that any mosques taken over by another community should be returned.

(Excerpt) Read more at sundaytimes.news.com.au ...


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KEYWORDS: ayatollah; iran; iraq; islam; sadr; shiite
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1 posted on 02/25/2006 11:01:09 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

This could go really bad for Zarqawi if the Iraqis realize that he and his merry band of headhunters have the most to gain by causing violence.


2 posted on 02/25/2006 11:05:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: jmc1969

terrorists unite...yiptie dooo


3 posted on 02/25/2006 11:08:38 AM PST by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas.... I can't wait for the next Evolution.)
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To: cripplecreek
how can this go bad for Zarqawi?...

they'll fight together now, against the infidels.
4 posted on 02/25/2006 11:09:35 AM PST by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas.... I can't wait for the next Evolution.)
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To: jmc1969
Good read.I've seen nothing about this in the American media.
5 posted on 02/25/2006 11:09:59 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jmc1969

Monkeys make a pact and decide to fling shi* together in harmony.


6 posted on 02/25/2006 11:10:51 AM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: zarf

Sadr should be dead.

Another failure.


7 posted on 02/25/2006 11:13:31 AM PST by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
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To: kajingawd

From the article: The sheikhs condemned "those who excommunicate Muslims" a reference to the "takfireen" or Islamist extremists like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who justify killing fellow Muslims by declaring them non-Muslims.


8 posted on 02/25/2006 11:14:57 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: kajingawd

It's one of the first signs of Nationalism and it's a positive unless of course you're speaking from the DNC vantage or the Pat Buchanan wing of the Republican party.


9 posted on 02/25/2006 11:15:13 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: jmc1969

a candle Bump


10 posted on 02/25/2006 11:18:47 AM PST by kanawa (It won't be PC and it won't be pretty but it can be done)
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To: kajingawd
they'll fight together now, against the infidels.

Shhh, here is a dirty little secret, not all Iraqis want us to leave.

11 posted on 02/25/2006 11:22:07 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: jmc1969

The road to peace - if you can call it that in a Muslim land - runs over the graves of Sadr and Zarqawi .

Semper Fi


12 posted on 02/25/2006 11:26:13 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: cripplecreek

I suspect Sadr is in the pocket of the Iranians and Iranian agents actually blew up their gilded mud hut. It's all just a timely distraction so the Iranian mullahs can finish their A-bombs. Cartoons riots, Sunni/Shiite riots: don't pay any attention to the mullah behind the curtain.


13 posted on 02/25/2006 11:27:25 AM PST by seowulf
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To: jmc1969

LOL..the DNC is 'deeply saddened'


14 posted on 02/25/2006 11:28:33 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: jmc1969

You knew we were in for a long slog when Bush refused to kill Al Sadr back in May 2003. Biggest mistake of the conflict.


15 posted on 02/25/2006 11:31:46 AM PST by montag813
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To: traderrob6

"It's one of the first signs of Nationalism and it's a positive unless of course you're speaking from the DNC vantage or the Pat Buchanan wing of the Republican party."

Exactly!


16 posted on 02/25/2006 11:31:46 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: seowulf
If I were to play connect the dots,
the timing of that thwarted attack on Saudi oil structure is suspicious.
17 posted on 02/25/2006 11:33:21 AM PST by kanawa (It won't be PC and it won't be pretty but it can be done)
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To: jmc1969
This is from the Fox News home page:

An Iraqi Sunni Muslim shakes hand with a Shiite Muslim. AP photo

18 posted on 02/25/2006 11:33:54 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: jmc1969

These sort of things make "strange bedfellows". I saw it first hand when I was in Iran during the revolution.


19 posted on 02/25/2006 11:34:04 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: tomahawk

((Sadr should be dead.

Another failure.))

Yup. Should have taken out OBL when we had a chance in Tora Bora too.
Should have pumped a couple in Saddams head too when they found him.

How many GI deaths has this Al Sadr guy horseshit caused??
Should have been marshal law right after the fall of Baghdad too.


20 posted on 02/25/2006 11:36:56 AM PST by TShaunK
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To: NY Attitude
Not that strange. Here are the options for Sadr that I know of:

1) Iraq has a government and Sadr is part of it
2) Iraq has a government and Sadr is not part of it
3) Iraq has a government and Sadr sides with Iran an openly fights it (he will loose since the US is on the Iraq
government's side)
4) Iraq has a government and Sadr allies himself with Iran and al-Qaeda (he tried that and al-Qaeda kept killing
Shiite sheiks which alienated his adherents).

Sadr's only real option is #1 and that is the one he chose.
21 posted on 02/25/2006 11:37:41 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: montag813

We could have killed Zarqawi (or at least have a good chance of doing so) before the war, but the fools in the State Department were worried about us scaring away some of our allies before the war by hitting Zarqawi.


22 posted on 02/25/2006 11:37:59 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: river rat

And over the grave of that nutcase in Iran.


23 posted on 02/25/2006 11:43:06 AM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: bnelson44

Here's the real deal:

"Iraq has a government and Sadr, who is a puppet of Iran,
is part of it"


24 posted on 02/25/2006 11:53:34 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: NY Attitude

Not so strange when you understand that the shiite and sunni families (and Kurds) are intermarried. These guys most probably have in-laws and cousins who belong to the other sect.


25 posted on 02/25/2006 11:57:11 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: traderrob6
It's one of the first signs of Nationalism and it's a positive unless of course you're speaking from the DNC vantage or the Pat Buchanan wing of the Republican party.

You nailed it--the most clear-thinking poster on the thread. Present company excepted...

26 posted on 02/25/2006 11:57:39 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (No respect for conservatives? That's free speech. No respect for liberals? That's hate speech.)
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To: nuconvert

Question is: How many of the then allies of the Ayatollah are still in favor after the departure of the Shah?


27 posted on 02/25/2006 11:58:10 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: nuconvert

You are so correct. Hale Shoma?


28 posted on 02/25/2006 11:59:34 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: nuconvert

Looks like it


29 posted on 02/25/2006 12:01:05 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: jmc1969; bnelson44; Ernest_at_the_Beach; McGavin999
Haw haw haw. So my prediction was off by a few days. It only took some twenty four hours to do the deal. I predicted within a week or so. Perhaps this will seal the tomb for zarq, as well as the Baathist, pure sectarian, and ahemmm, patriotic resistors.
They now will all have to morph from resitors to capacitors. Yea yea. I am going off the deep end.
Meanwhile the rope-a-dope king simply makes a few gentle statements to the effect he is confident things will work out ok. The rage in the L/MSM and dummy circles must be to hard to bare, expect a lot of self inflicted gunshot wounds to be reported.
30 posted on 02/25/2006 12:02:46 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: traderrob6


you get a ten on Olympic scoring system of insights.


31 posted on 02/25/2006 12:04:12 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: Marine_Uncle; All

I found this part of the article interesting:

In fact, Sadr's office in Najaf issued a statement Saturday calling on his followers to eschew their trademark black uniforms.

"The order has been given to members of the Mehdi Army to no longer wear their black uniform, so that it not exploited by those who commit crimes," said the statement.

The statement added that those attacking mosques were "criminal bands with no links to the Sadr movement."



32 posted on 02/25/2006 12:06:55 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: smoothsailing
"Good read.I've seen nothing about this in the American media."
Surely you don't think they are that stupid. Of course as the sunni and shia walk the streets hand in hand, kissing one another in front of the remaining camera crews, the L/MSM will have a little problem. Their prayed for sectarian civil war shall not come to pass. And of course I know you stated in jest.
33 posted on 02/25/2006 12:07:23 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: jmc1969
The sheikhs condemned "those who excommunicate Muslims" a reference to the "takfireen" or Islamist extremists like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who justify killing fellow Muslims by declaring them non-Muslims.

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.
34 posted on 02/25/2006 12:09:38 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: NY Attitude

Khubam. : ) Hale shoma chetore?


35 posted on 02/25/2006 12:15:23 PM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Marine_Uncle

Congratz!


36 posted on 02/25/2006 12:15:38 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: nuconvert

Khubam, motshakeram. Haste nabasheen.


37 posted on 02/25/2006 12:17:41 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: kajingawd
" they'll fight together now, against the infidels."
With respect. Whom? Al-Qaeda has now seen it's worse nightmare, the one zman has written in letters to UBL and the one eyed jack about. With a no possibility of creating a sectarian civil war, all insurgent groups no longer have a means to stay in the fight without having what is becoming a majority of Iraqi willing to point out where they hide.
As for instance the al-Qaeda goons are pushed out of all the rivertine main cities/towns into the remote western desert, they have no based of convenient operations. They have been scattered and minimized to a great effect.
Many of what used to be safe havens, secured car bomb and IED operations in many of the cities both in Al Anbar between the Syrian border down to Baggy dad and through the triangle of death areas have been closed down and the Ali Babbi killed, captured or forced to flee.
Similiarly these actions are being carried out in the northern provinces with equal success. Tal Afar is now as peacefull as a church mouse. Very few and widely spaced attacks happen in Mosul, Kirkuk, Orbil, Samarra, Balad, Tikrit etc..
The southern provinces continue to be mostly quite peacefull. How many attacks have we heard of in say Al Hilla, Al Naf and the other cities in Bibil and southerly that earlier on where hot spots. Sure Baghdad remains a hot spot. After all it is the capital.
But surely the whole country, thousands of towns and cities should be in flames at this point if there was such a willingness for Iraqi to be fighting one another. Why is it only less then a dozen cities out of thousands that you see on occasions an attack happening in? Think about it.
38 posted on 02/25/2006 12:19:48 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: bnelson44

I for one continue to think the zman had arrangement to carry out the attack on the shia shrine in Sammara. Or perhaps some small group on the Iranian mullahs or VEVAR payroll. Never the less intersting observance.


39 posted on 02/25/2006 12:23:44 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: traderrob6

err....um.....they also called for withdrawal of U.S. troops (presumably including those long-term bases), or did you miss that part?


40 posted on 02/25/2006 12:26:25 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: bnelson44
"Congratz! "
As Lt. General George S. Patton Jr. once said, victory is fleeting. Hope for all our sakes the predict will hold for a long time to come.
41 posted on 02/25/2006 12:27:27 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Those 2 groups ALWAYS call for a withdrawal of US troops because:

1) Sadr wants to control parts of Iraq
2) The Sunnis want to control parts of Iraq

And we are in the way.
42 posted on 02/25/2006 12:30:51 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Marine_Uncle

Nice analysis, and i respect your opinion.

Al Sadr has been fighting American forces since this war's infancy, as have the Sunnis and Al Quaeda.
I find it odd that immediately after having the most important shrine is the Muslim world bombed, that Al Sadr wants to call truce.

I think it's pure BS and fog.

Something much deeper here.

Until i see Sunnis and Shiia come together in masses in the streets, in unison...i will keep my point of view.


respecfully,


43 posted on 02/25/2006 12:35:14 PM PST by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas.... I can't wait for the next Evolution.)
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To: jmc1969
"It is not permitted to spill the Iraqi blood and to touch the houses of God," said the statement, adding that any mosques taken over by another community should be returned.

Ah huh, all is well now, for the pigs have flown.

44 posted on 02/25/2006 12:35:29 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: NY Attitude
Gesundheit.
45 posted on 02/25/2006 12:38:22 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Marine_Uncle; bnelson44
Very good comments...meanwhile the BBC is trying to move the goalposts again....dig this :

Curfew fails to halt Iraq killing

46 posted on 02/25/2006 12:40:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: inquest

Thanks 8^-)


47 posted on 02/25/2006 12:40:52 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: traderrob6
It's one of the first signs of Nationalism and it's a positive unless of course you're speaking from the DNC vantage or the Pat Buchanan wing of the Republican party

Yes. All those who are hoping for civil war and ensuing chaos will be quite saddened by this development.

48 posted on 02/25/2006 12:40:57 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: kajingawd

You missed the 30,000 Sunnis and Shia that marched together yestersay?


49 posted on 02/25/2006 12:41:00 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969
My take: Sadr's seeing that the civil war his men have tried to incite isn't panning out the way he expected, which could mean that the two sides could instead start turning on him instead of on each other, and he's in full damage-control mode now. But I'm willing to consider other explanations.
50 posted on 02/25/2006 12:43:21 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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