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Gun shop owned by NRA board member loses its license
Baltimore Sun ^ | Feb. 25, 2006 | Matthew Dolan

Posted on 02/25/2006 3:52:48 PM PST by berserker

Federal agents revoked the firearms license yesterday of a prominent Baltimore County gun shop owned by a National Rifle Association board member, pointing to his repeated failure to account for hundreds of guns listed in his inventory since 1997. "We don't want firearms getting into the hands of criminals," said David McCain, assistant special agent in charge of the Baltimore field office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "If we come in and find they're not complying with the regulations, we have to enforce the law."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: amendment; atf; bang; banglist; bradywatch; gun; jbt; license; second
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Owner is Sanford Abrams, store located in Parkville, Maryland
1 posted on 02/25/2006 3:52:51 PM PST by berserker
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To: berserker

No responsible FFL dealer I know would let 650 weapons just 'disappear'. There's definitely something shady going on at that store.


2 posted on 02/25/2006 3:55:27 PM PST by manglor
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To: manglor

Arming the New Republican Army.


3 posted on 02/25/2006 3:58:32 PM PST by MiHeat
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To: manglor

Also, he is in Maryland, which has strict gun laws.


4 posted on 02/25/2006 3:59:03 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: berserker

Its a Maryland thing...


5 posted on 02/25/2006 3:59:39 PM PST by Cornpone (Who Dares Wins -- Defame Islam Today -- Tell the Truth About Mohammed)
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To: manglor

"No responsible FFL dealer I know would let 650 weapons just 'disappear'. There's definitely something shady going on at that store."

The Feds shouldn't be involved in gun sales anyway. Talk about hypocrites, the FEDS are one of the biggest arms suppliers in the world.


6 posted on 02/25/2006 4:00:41 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Thunder90

License at issue is the federal and not any state license


7 posted on 02/25/2006 4:01:41 PM PST by berserker
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To: berserker

Bad gun dealer, no speedloader!


8 posted on 02/25/2006 4:04:09 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: berserker
"ordered by the ATF to provide detailed reports on all gun purchases and sales for the previous three years, and to continue providing such reports monthly."

This is disturbing.

9 posted on 02/25/2006 4:09:57 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: berserker

I have to wonder what the real story is here, the feds simply wanting to make a NRA board member look bad? Something doesn't sound right here.


10 posted on 02/25/2006 4:12:05 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: calex59

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/rsm_v_buckles.txt


11 posted on 02/25/2006 4:24:30 PM PST by Fido969
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To: berserker

There are bad people everywhere even in the NRA. Being a LIFE Member, I want to say that if this turns out to be true about this Abrams person; he will not get this LIFE Members vote for anything. The NRA stands for AMERICA and all the members need to keep our credibility at the place we are at.


12 posted on 02/25/2006 4:24:35 PM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: calex59

You are probably right. A Congressional committee is currently investigating abuses of gun owners at the insistance of the NRA and GOA. This is probably a set-up payback by the BATFE.


13 posted on 02/25/2006 4:25:44 PM PST by DesertWalker
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To: DesertWalker


He sued the BATF in 1990 and received an injuction against them.


14 posted on 02/25/2006 4:27:27 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969

sorry - 2000. See case linked above.


15 posted on 02/25/2006 4:28:02 PM PST by Fido969
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To: HiJinx

Time for an NRA PING


16 posted on 02/25/2006 4:30:00 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Fido969
Hmmmhhh...???

Looks like he has been on BATF's S**T LIST for quite some period of time???

Since he does business in the "Shadow" of BATF's headquarters, he is REALLY under a microscope!!!

17 posted on 02/25/2006 4:30:02 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: ExSES

He's on everyone's sh!tl!st - Maryland too:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/Shootingtimes/Articles/displayarticles.asp?id=74

http://www.citypaper.com/columns/story.asp?id=1487


BATF was probably gunning to shut this guy up:

http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/news/news54.htm

http://www.2ndamendment.com/Content/News/20040923-04.htm

http://www.journalism.umd.edu/cns/wire/2002-editions/10-October-editions/021015-Tuesday/GunshotsMuzzled_CNS-UMCP.html


18 posted on 02/25/2006 4:36:26 PM PST by Fido969
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To: berserker; Squantos; Travis McGee

If it keeps just one gun out of the hands of the children, all is okey dokey.


19 posted on 02/25/2006 4:37:15 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: DesertWalker

You are probably right. A Congressional committee is currently investigating abuses of gun owners at the insistance of the NRA and GOA. This is probably a set-up payback by the BATFE.

####

You're right and this guy is lucky. The last time the BATF abuses were being investigated, they attacked a church and murdered the men, women, and children inside. They'll be at one of their racist BBQs bragging about this come spring.

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/9603/gr000004.htm


20 posted on 02/25/2006 4:38:40 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: berserker

We're not hearing the entire story. Something is going on here.


21 posted on 02/25/2006 4:41:29 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: berserker

Sanford Abrams won't let them have the 4473 so they can collect the purchasers names and what was purchased so they want call the guns that were bought "missing guns." The BATF represents the Bush Administration.


22 posted on 02/25/2006 4:41:54 PM PST by Modok
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To: manglor
650 weapons not accounted for since '97. The guy sells around 3,000 per year, that's 27,000 transactions. 650 out of 27,000 is about 2.5%. Very easily accounted for as simple paperwork errors.

There's also considerable evidence of harassment, and of the BATF going on fishing expeditions, something which they've long been known to do, even though they are only supposed to look at the purchase records when a gun is being traced in connection with a crime.

From the article:

The investigation that led to the license revocation started nearly nine years ago when, the ATF said, it found problems in Abrams' bookkeeping. In July 1997, agents compared the number of firearms listed in the store's books with the number of firearms on the premises.

The store came up 45 weapons short, according to agents.

After more missing weapons were identified after a 1999 inspection, the bureau held a "warning conference" with Abrams, who promised to improve record-keeping.

Agents returned in 2001 and noted 133 missing weapons. They held another "warning conference." Abrams again pledged to make progress.

Finally, in May 2003, an audit of Abrams' books found 472 weapons unaccounted for. The ATF issued a notice of license revocation in May 2004. In October, an administrative hearing officer ruled that Abrams' violations were "willful."

Note: an "administrative hearing officer" would be a BATFer, not a judge, and certainly not a jury.

23 posted on 02/25/2006 4:52:57 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Note: an "administrative hearing officer" would be a BATFer, not a judge, and certainly not a jury

The revocation was pending the outcome of a civil action - the store owner appealed the administrative ruling in court and lost (US District Judge William M. Nickerson, appt. by Bush in 2001 or so), and the BATF pulled the licence when the that ruling came down this week. Owner can be expected to appeal, but can't sell guns in the meantime.

24 posted on 02/25/2006 4:58:00 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969
US District Judge William M. Nickerson, appt. by Bush in 2001 or so

Sorry, Bush I in 1990.

25 posted on 02/25/2006 5:00:45 PM PST by Fido969
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To: berserker

Interesting. Mr. Abrams does not appear on the 2006 Board ballot.


26 posted on 02/25/2006 5:03:15 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

That may be because there are 76 directors? And not all are renewed, elected?


27 posted on 02/25/2006 5:07:04 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: SUSSA
The last time the BATF abuses were being investigated, they attacked a church and murdered the men, women, and children inside.


28 posted on 02/25/2006 5:07:13 PM PST by Fido969
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To: JOE43270
I'm a Life Member & an NRA Certified Instructor, and before I believed a word the lying BATF said I don't think I'd condemn an NRA boardmember so stridently as you did.

It's not for nothing that BATF are first thought of as the American Gestapo. Do you know the comment made by the Top US Marshal when he was told of plans to fold the BATF into the Marshal Service? He said: Know what you get when you mix clean water with dirty water? The answer is DIRTY WATER! That plan never went forward.

Gee, they were the Wounded Heroes of Waco....and it was never questioned that as soon as the siege was over they went in and bulldozed flat the entire compound, later announcing the find of a cache of full auto weapons and 50 caliber sniper rifles.....really.....you can trust us.....Of course we're not going to show them, just take our word for it..... And you think this NRA Boardmember is guilty....just like that?

29 posted on 02/25/2006 5:07:32 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Fido969
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/rsm_v_buckles.txt

Reading that judgment against the BATF by the Court certainly makes the issue of continued harassment of the dealer by the BATFE seem all too plausible. This time the civil judge was less sympathetic to the dealer.

The BATFErs seem to be up to their old tricks, in spite of the attempt of the FOPA of '86 to rein them in.

I'll give an NRA board member and vice president of the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association the benefit of the doubt over the BATFE any day of the year.

30 posted on 02/25/2006 5:08:53 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato


BATF appealed that decision and won at the Federal Appeals level - looks like a sympathetic panel:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=4th&navby=case&no=001777P


31 posted on 02/25/2006 5:13:30 PM PST by Fido969
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To: berserker

Remember the gun shop owner in Tacoma, WA who was the source for the weapon used by the DC sniper? He was never jailed, for all of the propaganda thrown his way, he came out of it without legal damage. The feds and the MSM like to overplay the story.


32 posted on 02/25/2006 5:13:31 PM PST by jeremiah (The biggest threat to Americas survival today, meth usage.)
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To: Billthedrill

The 2006 ballot has 34 nominees, out of which, 25 will fill three year terms and 1 will fill a two year term. Info may be on the first page after the ballot.


33 posted on 02/25/2006 5:16:44 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: Simo Hayha; Billthedrill

I'm wrong. Look at page A. Under title of 2006 NRA Director Nominations.


34 posted on 02/25/2006 5:19:00 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: Simo Hayha

An old bio:

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/bios99/abrams.html


35 posted on 02/25/2006 5:19:49 PM PST by Fido969
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To: manglor
No responsible FFL dealer I know would let 650 weapons just 'disappear'. There's definitely something shady going on at that store.

Are you kidding? Between the various branches of the armed services and the federal law enforcement agencies, they lose many times 650 weapons per year, not to mention the crew served stuff that disappears and the explosives that meander away....

36 posted on 02/25/2006 5:21:16 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Simo Hayha
75 at the moment, I believe, although I'm having the usual mess trying to wade through the NRA website. Those guys need some serious redesign work, IMHO.
37 posted on 02/25/2006 5:21:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Simo Hayha
Look at page A.

Oh. The page A that my elbow is resting on at the moment. That page A. Sheesh... ;-)

38 posted on 02/25/2006 5:23:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Sorry, I thought maybe you had a Rifleman magazine handy, that I was quoting from. I was the the NRA site and didn't find any handy list of directors. Rifleman magazine has 76 directors. By-laws require one-third of the terms of office of 75 directors shall expire at each annual meeting of members. One director will be elected for a one-year term.


39 posted on 02/25/2006 5:26:14 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: Billthedrill

LOL!





40 posted on 02/25/2006 5:26:54 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: Eagles6

I thought you only had to show 3 months? When did the law change?


41 posted on 02/25/2006 5:27:59 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
I thought you only had to show 3 months? When did the law change?

It didn't, that's why the dealer one the 2000 law suit.

42 posted on 02/25/2006 5:31:15 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Simo Hayha


Very outspoken - some quotes from this fellow:



"If you can't stop criminals from buying a firearm, how are you going to stop them from buying a body armor," said Sanford Abrams,

http://www.mcrkba.org/WalterMBaker/2.html

SANFORD ABRAMS, MARYLAND GUN DEALER: There's no right to fly an airplane in this country. There is a right to own a firearm.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/08/asb.01.html


Sanford Abrams, vice president of the Maryland Licensed Gun Dealers Association, said the ballistics fingerprints may have little legal value because a shell casing will travel through so many hands from the manufacturer to state police.

"The chain of custody stinks," he said.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78746.html


Anyway - he is VERY quotable!

"The only purpose this serves is to make people ever more fearful," said Sanford Abrams, (Maryland shooting ban)

"The only rush about assault weapons have been from the media," said Sanford Abrams, (assualt weapon ban sunset)

also: "They just banned the cosmetic features," says Sanford Abrams,

Gun locks: ... "For the first time ever, I hear people specifying they don't want the guns with a lock in them." Sanford Abrams, vice president of Maryland Licensed Firearms

On the arrest of a citizen for having gunpowder: Sanford Abrams, vice president of the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association, said it is not unusual for a gunsmith to possess large amounts of smokeless powder, which is less volatile than black gunpowder. "Even if handled improperly, it will not explode," Abrams said. "That is only in movies."

http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/21000/article/21071

"We're livid that we have to pay for UPS's inefficiency and lack of security," Abrams said. "They should secure their facilities and check the backgrounds of their employees to make sure they aren't hiring crminals." (On a rash of guns being stolen by UPS employees)




43 posted on 02/25/2006 5:32:54 PM PST by Fido969
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To: El Gato
one the 2000 law suit.

WON the 200 law suit. Stupid fingers have a mind of their own and are not too good with homonyms.

44 posted on 02/25/2006 5:34:47 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

See appeal, though - post #31.


45 posted on 02/25/2006 5:36:27 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969
I have a cousin whose nickname is "gunpowder". Used a magnifying glass to experiment with some powder that he got from some kind of shell that he opened. Must have been a shotgun shell. Singed his eyebrows.

Based on personal experience, I'd say Mr. Abrams is seen as a source of job security for the powers that be.

46 posted on 02/25/2006 5:38:52 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: Fido969
BATF appealed that decision and won at the Federal Appeals level - looks like a sympathetic panel:

The decision does sound that way. Jolly. Still he crossed the BATF and was successful, at least for a while, and that's pretty unforgivable. Bureaucrats hate it when they are challenged by the hoi polloi.

47 posted on 02/25/2006 5:52:09 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
agents compared the number of firearms listed in the store's books with the number of firearms on the premises.

If his reported sales and inventory numbers don't match up, he might be able to look forward to dealing with the IRS as well.

48 posted on 02/25/2006 7:06:55 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Billthedrill

"Abrams is vice president of the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association and a board member of the National Rifle Association, a leading guns-rights lobbying group. He was elected last year to another three-year term."


49 posted on 02/25/2006 7:26:21 PM PST by Hugin
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To: berserker
Federal agents revoked the firearms license yesterday of a prominent Baltimore County gun shop owned by a National Rifle Association board member

They revoked the license because he's an NRA board member.

50 posted on 02/25/2006 8:48:04 PM PST by TBP
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