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CA: Schwarzenegger escapes GOP convention with only minor damage
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 2/26/06 | Michael R. Blood - ap

Posted on 02/26/2006 5:27:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: SierraWasp
"If Tom McClintock wants to capitulate to what Amerigomag calls the Wilsonegger Gang, he'll be doing it without me!!!"

My feeling as well.

41 posted on 02/27/2006 11:05:26 AM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: NormsRevenge

personally i think Arnold is as good and CA is going to get. CA is no longer the state that brought Reagan to America. Too many moonbats.


42 posted on 02/27/2006 12:13:55 PM PST by DM1
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To: FOG724
Tom is a good party loyalist.

NO, HE IS NOT! He is being so now for his advantage, but the special election did not have the Republican party loving his behavior at all. It was my complaint about him as well.

I think what he is doing now though is a wise move.

43 posted on 02/27/2006 1:19:40 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl
Ex-democrat-turned-Republican variety

Reagan?

44 posted on 02/27/2006 1:21:22 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

My post would certainly not put him in that category. I'm talking about the democrats who come to the party saying they have "seen the light", then proceed to reject the platform and try to turn the party into a bunch of socialists. The "leadership" won't even support a resolution to balance the budget? Give me a break! With friends like that, who needs enemies?


45 posted on 02/27/2006 1:30:34 PM PST by calcowgirl (Arnold wants to lead--leftward.)
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To: SierraWasp
Here is your reality check.

A ton of those voting in California are employed by the government, with union connections and lean Democrat.

We are probably -7% to the Democrats in power of the vote and have to at this time go left to get the vote.

It's better that we do that then get the Communist liberal democrat in power IMO.

We need to move that -7% to a + anything for us.
Until that point, unless an appealing superstar conservative politician comes along, you won't get any of the -7% voting our way. That is the problem.

We are operating out of occupied territory and you are posting like there is the delusion we have some kind of conservative majority in this state.
Wish we did have that SW, but we have a rougher road.

I think we need to keep Democrats out as mission #1.
I think the answer to what is irritating you won't be answered by sabotaging the Republicans, it would be better served by grooming the future voter to vote conservative values more and that requires more grass roots activism.
46 posted on 02/27/2006 1:32:56 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl
I am as frustrated as you about the lack of conservatism in this state in general, but the fact is we operate out of a liberal voting dominated state.
We have no superstar conservative candidate that could appeal to any of the Democrats to get elected, so politicians have to slide left to keep Democrats out.

Now they could stay completely conservative and run the campaign and get slammed out of power, but if they did that, all the seats of power get turned over to the Communist Liberal Democrats.

I think the two issues we have in this state during liberal occupation will be to deny Democrats as much power as possible and to do grass roots education of the new voters for the future.

47 posted on 02/27/2006 1:38:29 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl
I am as frustrated as you about the lack of conservatism in this state in general, but the fact is we operate out of a liberal voting dominated state.
We have no superstar conservative candidate that could appeal to any of the Democrats to get elected, so politicians have to slide left to keep Democrats out.

Now they could stay completely conservative and run the campaign and get slammed out of power, but if they did that, all the seats of power get turned over to the Communist Liberal Democrats.

I think the two issues we have in this state during liberal occupation will be to deny Democrats as much power as possible and to do grass roots education of the new voters for the future.

48 posted on 02/27/2006 1:38:30 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy; SierraWasp

That logic does not prove out.

Republicans haven't had the majority of registrants since 1932. Since there have only been 4 Democrats in the last century to hold the Governor's office in California (Culbert Olson, Gray Davis, and a couple of Browns), that pretty much negates the the argument that Republicans (in more than name only) can't win in California since Democrats have the majority.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1572980/posts?page=43#43


49 posted on 02/27/2006 1:59:11 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: A CA Guy

Why do you think only "superstars" have potential for winning? Was Gray Davis a "superstar"? How about Deukmejian? This new Hollywood casting approach to selecting politicians is misguided, imo.

I don't know of anyone here who is talking about a candidate who is "completely conservative" on all issues. But at this point, we have almost nothing conservative, and very little that is republican. Bigger spending, bigger borrowing, gun control, taxpayer subsidies to economically non-viable industry, special rights to homosexuals, global warming boondoggles, etc. etc. etc. Since when is it against the Republican platform to balance the budget? The most fundamental of principles are being abandoned.


50 posted on 02/27/2006 2:07:29 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: jrp

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/santana/20010801-9999_1n1guns.html


51 posted on 02/27/2006 7:16:40 PM PST by Mojave
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To: calcowgirl

What I mean by a conservative superstar is someone who is very attractive for all voters in CA.
Someone who would draw from the left enough to win over Democrats.
Like an Arnold, but far more conservative would be really great. I don't see anyone like that for us right now.

The issue is, who can draw votes from the left to get a conservative and conservative platform into office? That is a SUPERSTAR to me in this state, because we are outnumbered by Democrat voters.


52 posted on 02/27/2006 7:42:39 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl
In the last bunch of years though, we have had growing unions of public employees, especially the teacher's union and they have a ton of money to invest in elections.

Government employment has been used as a device to vote Democrat more and more as that kind of employment swells.
You not only have to worry about how the government employee votes (their wallet), but also you have to realize their spouse, kids and maybe other family members are swayed to vote Democrat through that connection to government employment.
53 posted on 02/27/2006 7:49:09 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
You said:
We have no superstar conservative candidate that could appeal to any of the Democrats to get elected...
Your clarification really doesn't say much different. You and I just do not agree on this. I contend that ideas can win elections and make a candidate popular based on their defined principles and through their actions. I don't care how popular, charismatic, or handsome a candidate is; I care about what and how they think and what they will actually do! Past governors that won have not been particularly popular or charismatic. More recently, celebrity won in the Recall election--not ideas. Everyone was so caught up in the media circus, they didn't look at the leftist nature of the environmental platform being offered and other obvious signs that this was a major leap left uder the (R) label.

You concluded:

... so politicians have to slide left to keep Democrats out.
Left from what? When all that is offered by the party is a bunch of mush, how far left do you exactly propose we "slide"? Which principles are you willing to abandon? The CA GOP party wouldn't even sign a resolution calling for balancing the budget! Or for responsible borrowing!

This grand strategery is a loser, imo.

54 posted on 02/27/2006 8:28:22 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: A CA Guy

Actually, union membership has declined. I believe it is about 15% of all workers today. Back in the early 80s, it exceeded 20%.


55 posted on 02/27/2006 8:31:08 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge

Should we reregister as Dems, and if so, whom should we vote for in the primary? The state will not regain sentience until the fiscal meltdown. Pity I own so much real estate in California. I am in the center of the coming storm, perhaps. Such is life.


56 posted on 02/27/2006 8:32:05 PM PST by Torie
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To: calcowgirl
For me, what makes a superstar who can cross over is that likability factor, because without it, their ideas won't get listened to.
57 posted on 02/27/2006 8:32:44 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl
The CA GOP party wouldn't even sign a resolution calling for balancing the budget!

Sad.

58 posted on 02/27/2006 8:33:19 PM PST by Mojave
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To: calcowgirl

The toxic bit is that most of that 15% work for the government, particularly in the schools (no surprise, because only monopolistic or oligopolistic employers can really hand out more bucks per union power without going out of business). The market is a harsh mistress. As an aside, as teachers unionized, the student test scores went down. The correlation is quite statistically significant per the studies I have read. Sad.


59 posted on 02/27/2006 8:35:35 PM PST by Torie
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To: calcowgirl

Yes, in the private sector (any competitive venue) they have declined or closed businesses down.

In government though, they are like a cancer and there is a lot of it embedded or attached to government.


60 posted on 02/27/2006 8:35:39 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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