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Female Pilots Get Their Shot in the Iraqi Skies Men Say Women Are Proving Skills in Direct Combat
The Washington Post ^ | February 27, 2006 | By Ann Scott Tyson, Washington Post Staff Writer

Posted on 02/27/2006 5:39:04 AM PST by aculeus

TALL AFAR, Iraq -- Buzzing over this northern Iraqi city in her Kiowa scout helicopter, a .50-caliber machine gun and rockets at the ready, Capt. Sarah Piro has proved so skillful in combat missions to support U.S. ground troops that she's earned the nickname "Saint."

In recent months of fighting in Tall Afar, Piro, 26, of El Dorado Hills, Calif., has quietly sleuthed out targets, laid down suppressive fire for GIs in battle and chased insurgents through the narrow alleys of this medieval city -- maneuvering all the while to avoid being shot out of the sky. In one incident, she limped back to base in a bullet-riddled helicopter, ran to another aircraft and returned to the fight 10 minutes later.

"They call her 'Saint Piro' -- she's just that good," said her co-pilot, Chief Warrant Officer Todd Buckhouse, a 19-year Army veteran who has worked with Piro on two tours with the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment in Iraq.

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1 posted on 02/27/2006 5:39:06 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

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2 posted on 02/27/2006 5:43:39 AM PST by Frank T
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To: aculeus

The Post knows what happened to Larry Summers at Harvard.
The Post promotes the feminist agenda at every turn.
This is not a surprising article.


3 posted on 02/27/2006 5:45:28 AM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: aculeus
keep up the good work "saint" piro plenty more of those scumbags unfortunately
4 posted on 02/27/2006 5:46:19 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA

You cannot be accused of syllogistic reasoning.


5 posted on 02/27/2006 5:52:12 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA

The feminist agenda is actualy anorexic & antichild based more than pro women-skills.

Castro pulled this when he boasted of a cow producing record milk amounts while his whole cattle industry is in disarraty, and we pulled the same thing with the first black astronaute, to make the sheeple think there was no government regulation stopping people from entreprizing or defending themselves.

I'm waiting for the Washcompost to praise women conceal carrying 50 caliber handguns throughout the nation, then we'll see real results in freedom, not this bravosierra of once in a while success.


6 posted on 02/27/2006 5:54:00 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: aculeus
Don't you know that it ranckles all those misogynistic males, desperately trying to protect their hideously perverted sense of "masculine pride" and "honor", to be beaten up by a bunch of girls!

It seems to me that this makes a good case for "gays in the military". We need a few battalions of anthropophobic lesbians to whip the fannies of those sissies.

7 posted on 02/27/2006 5:56:10 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Kelly_2000
Honestly, I was a T-45(jet) instructor in Kingsville and I was pissed a few times that because of political correctness I was forced to instruct females that really sucked and should have been kicked out much earlier. There will always be one or two "competent" women out there, but a majority are below par in the military(anyone who does not believe me....I have plenty of stories to share with you). Think about it....if you are a capable woman, why join the military when you can make a killing in the private sector. What kind of a society sends its mothers and daughters to war? Piss poor in my opinion....
8 posted on 02/27/2006 5:58:23 AM PST by P3pilotJAX
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To: P3pilotJAX
Honestly, I was a T-45(jet) instructor in Kingsville and I was pissed a few times that because of political correctness I was forced to instruct females that really sucked and should have been kicked out much earlier. There will always be one or two "competent" women out there, but a majority are below par in the military(anyone who does not believe me....I have plenty of stories to share with you). Think about it....if you are a capable woman, why join the military when you can make a killing in the private sector. What kind of a society sends its mothers and daughters to war? Piss poor in my opinion....

Amen.

And ofcourse, the men always have to state how 'well' the women are doing or they are labeled malcontents who are having their masculinity 'threatened'.

9 posted on 02/27/2006 6:02:36 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: aculeus

Just curious, but now that it is ok for women to be in aerial combat and subject to death, mutilation and rape if they are shot down ...

will they be expected to survive "horrendous" things like Tailhook?


10 posted on 02/27/2006 6:06:18 AM PST by Casekirchen (The Crusades were a defensive response to 400 years of islamic rape, murder & terrorism)
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To: aculeus; Aeronaut

"…Kiowa scout helicopter, a .50-caliber machine gun…at the ready"

I don't think an OH-58D could even hover much less take off and fly with a .50 cal on board.


11 posted on 02/27/2006 6:08:15 AM PST by cll
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To: aculeus

Good job, Sarah. Cheers for another American hero in Iraq who is "just doing her job".


12 posted on 02/27/2006 6:10:32 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: aculeus

13 posted on 02/27/2006 6:11:40 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: P3pilotJAX
There will always be one or two "competent" women out there, but a majority are below par in the military.

Saddly the entire culture will have to suffer to give these one or two their "rights".

14 posted on 02/27/2006 6:11:47 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

ping


15 posted on 02/27/2006 6:12:22 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: aculeus
Females in the Cock.Pit????

Next thing you know men will be doing the Vagina Monologues!
16 posted on 02/27/2006 6:14:40 AM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: Casekirchen

death mutiliation and rape are bad things. So is being publicly groped at a convention of your fellow professionals. No equivocation that if women are willing to face combat they should be willing to be the objects of molestation and harassment from anyone, much less other military members.


17 posted on 02/27/2006 6:15:26 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Last Dakotan

Yes, our culture is reverbrating in pathos because of Sarah Piro's work in Iraq.


18 posted on 02/27/2006 6:16:35 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: TRY ONE

It will be called now, "The Vagina Pit".


19 posted on 02/27/2006 6:20:17 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: P3pilotJAX
What kind of a society sends its mothers and daughters to war? Piss poor in my opinion....

That's the bottom line isn't it? I agree.

20 posted on 02/27/2006 6:22:11 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: P3pilotJAX
Think about it....if you are a capable woman, why join the military when you can make a killing in the private sector.

Why would a man, for that matter?

21 posted on 02/27/2006 6:25:56 AM PST by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: Sloth
"Why would a man, for that matter?"

Good point, but speaking from a non politically correct standpoint I believe that there are a lot more men poised for management positions in the corporate world than women....just the nature of things. Men don't have babies or the inherent nurturing capabilities that women have(I have 4 children). Men since the beginning of time have had an aggressive nature designed to provide for the family outside the home. Women nurture and protect their offspring in the home. As we get away from these roles, you can see the crapstorm this has created. I am happy to see a trend of women starting to realize how important their role is inside the family circle. My wife has a college degree and chooses to stay home and raise our kids. I provide for her and my offspring(and yours) by defending the USA from people who would want to harm them and take away their freedom. Plus I like flying planes and blowing stuff up:)
22 posted on 02/27/2006 6:36:38 AM PST by P3pilotJAX
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To: verity

Not a syllogism; three independent observations.


23 posted on 02/27/2006 6:37:04 AM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: aculeus

I fear it is now too late to turn back to the days where men did the fighting and women took care of the wounded.


24 posted on 02/27/2006 6:39:09 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "I believe Hillary is the aunti-christ.")
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To: Sloth

It's called affirmative action.A woman who can excell in a traditionally male occupation(ex pilot)is worth her weight in gold,whereas males are simply a "dime a dozen".


25 posted on 02/27/2006 6:41:16 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: silverleaf
Yes, our culture is reverbrating in pathos because of Sarah Piro's work in Iraq.

So you are telling me you don't see the feminization of men and the corresponding masculation of women in our culture?

Look at the bigger picture and tell me again it isn't negative.

26 posted on 02/27/2006 6:57:59 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

It should be noted that all these women helicopter pilots take the female version of the PT test so from the beginning things are not equal. For females the minumum passing mark for push ups is less than half of what the males are required to do and the males have, on average, more weight to push up, and more distance (arm length) to push it. Women also are given more time on the two-mile run even though they are delivering less weight and strength to the finnish line.

There was one woman triathilon competitor who served in the Army and got lots of publicity. The stories always pointed out that she could outrun the boys. But she refused to ever carry a rucksack saying it violated her recruiting agreement and was bad for her training. The media reports did not point out her unwillingness to ever shoulder a pack.


27 posted on 02/27/2006 7:01:20 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
The Post knows what happened to Larry Summers at Harvard.

So do her fellow soldiers. Every recent Vet I've spoken with knows that his career ends the day he criticizes the placement of women in the military.

28 posted on 02/27/2006 7:01:33 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Monterrosa-24
The media reports did not point out her unwillingness to ever shoulder a pack.

They have an agenda. Just as in these women-in-the-military stories you will not see the gal who got pregnant and was sent home after the government paid thousands for her training. Only the most noble and heroic women make the media.

You see the same thing in the gay parenting stories. Some drunk, absent hetero father is compared to a gay couple who could only be described as "saintly".

29 posted on 02/27/2006 7:09:53 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: finnman69

Women Rock! Not only are we the mothers of the earth, we can also kick a$$ when we have to.

My husband and I are raising are son and daughter. I am glad that we don't have to set any limits on what they can accomplish with hard work. I don't want my daughter to be butch, but I certainly don't want her to be a wimp that can be run over.


30 posted on 02/27/2006 7:10:54 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: aculeus
"I chose the Kiowa because it works directly with ground units in the combined arms fight," said Piro, a graduate of West Point, where she set a home run record.

Gee, I wonder if that record was set against male pitchers. No? Well, at least in war the enemy will only field gentler soldiers against our women, and the ladies will only have to pull lightweight people from burning wreckage. It's nice to know that our military triumphs will come because we field the fairest army of them all.

31 posted on 02/27/2006 7:29:31 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Last Dakotan

If you feel feminized, please do not blame the Sarah Piros of this world.


32 posted on 02/27/2006 7:32:13 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: aculeus

Naturally, what's left unsaid:

1. There is no Iraqi air force. The MEN took care of that, so that the ladies don't have to worry about it.

2. There aren't enough MEN to fly the missions, so the women, by default (not relative skill or experience), get their chance.

3. They don't hand out Purple Hearts for broken fingernails, even if they were suffered in the cockpit.

4. As soon as one of these babes pofiled comes home ina body bag, the entire subject of female combat pilots will be "seriously debated".


33 posted on 02/27/2006 7:33:19 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: brwnsuga
>Men Say Women Are Proving Skills in Direct Combat

Given the number
of times women shot me down,
I'd say they're well skilled!

34 posted on 02/27/2006 7:37:41 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: silverleaf
One rule bars female and male aviators from entering each other's quarters, while another policy requires escorts for women on base. While aimed at maintaining discipline, the segregation can be isolating, Strye said.

This is sound policy, but look at the reaction:

"If all the guys hang out and play poker in one of the guy's rooms, and I'm not allowed in there, I'll never be part of that group. I'll always be on the outside," which makes it harder to cope with the pressures of deployments, she said. Implicit in the separation, Strye said, is a mistrust that grates on her as a professional. "You trust me to make combat decisions to defeat the enemy," she said, "but don't trust what I do when I go into another person's 'CHU,' " -- a containerized housing unit.

I am amazed that you cannot see damage to military culture here; a breakdown of trust.

35 posted on 02/27/2006 7:40:15 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Casekirchen

Women should put up with "'horrendous' things like Tailhook" just as often as men do.

You don't get that Tailhook was disrespectful of women and not at all a good thing for the men, either. It wasn't about sex - it was about humiliation and hostility.


36 posted on 02/27/2006 7:55:59 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Honestly, I was a T-45(jet) instructor in Kingsville and I was pissed a few times that because of political correctness I was forced to instruct females that really sucked and should have been kicked out much earlier"

Oh believe me I am the first to criticize PC madness if they are sub standard kick them out through the armed forces predefined process. But if you DO find some that can do the job then what is the problem?

Most women are mothers and all are daughters and it's for that reason that they want to serve their country in this way (concern for family and country is a good reason to join up?). Making a killing in the private sector is a vocation, serving in the military is a calling and an honor in my own limited opinion.

37 posted on 02/27/2006 8:00:11 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Come on - remember racially segregated units?

The problem is the transition to an attitude of "us" vs. "the enemy" from one of "US men," "US women" and "the enemy." It will come.

I do agree that women should meet the same physical strength and other requirements that are required of the men.

Those nurses at the battlefield hospitals have always been in danger - they should have been trained and armed earlier than they were.


38 posted on 02/27/2006 8:05:20 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: finnman69
Not bad. Hair down, a little makeup and *woo-hoo*!

So she flies a Kiowa, eh? I am even more impressed. Those dang two-seaters ain't exactly armored like an Apache!! Been there done that! Its like being in a sub-compact car up in the sky.

As far as Army pilots go - was flown by one particular Army Captain (female-type) in a Blackhawk many times overseas a few years back. Hot chick and the smell of aviation fuel - a potent combination!

39 posted on 02/27/2006 8:13:08 AM PST by Al Simmons ("Only those are fit to live who do not fear to die" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
I am amazed that you cannot see damage to military culture here; a breakdown of trust

I'm amazed that you would post that to me. LOL, I am a retired FEMALE military intelligence officer and I know of at least two RAF pilots who are alive today because of my work in joint commaned during DESERT STORM. Not to mention having written several intelliegnce estimates that made it all the way to the White House and -given what is now occurring which I accurately predicted 10 years ago - which are probably influencing US policy in the Middle East even today.

But I can see you figure I spent my 20 year military career "damaging our culture". Back to the 50's, right? Or whatever era you figure was better. Before women got the vote perhaps?
40 posted on 02/27/2006 8:13:24 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

amen sister :-)


41 posted on 02/27/2006 8:15:34 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: P3pilotJAX
There will always be a few chicks who also like to blow things up and kill people. Key word: "FEW". Yeah, I know the libs would like you to believe that they are just the crest of the wave, but the reality is that their numbers will always be fairly (self)-limited.

You just gotta love a chick with a finger on a Hellfire missile.....*LOL*

42 posted on 02/27/2006 8:16:33 AM PST by Al Simmons ("Only those are fit to live who do not fear to die" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA

So your construct was three brief unrelated rants. I'll buy that.


43 posted on 02/27/2006 8:16:59 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Easy Dude. Your comments are appropriate re: infantrymen, but more off the mark when it comes to skill positions like flying a helicopter....they don't have "manual steering", so being BIG isn't an advantage - in fact it could be the opposite - having put my life in the hands of female UH-60 pilots many times, I give them all the respect that's due....


44 posted on 02/27/2006 8:20:05 AM PST by Al Simmons ("Only those are fit to live who do not fear to die" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: silverleaf

A Hearty HOO-AAHH to you, LTC!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 02/27/2006 8:22:55 AM PST by Al Simmons ("Only those are fit to live who do not fear to die" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: silverleaf
If you feel feminized, please do not blame the Sarah Piros of this world.

Nice try, I wasn't talking about myself, but rather for example, the men who got Title 9'd out of college sports.

I can talk and express my opinions freely on this forum. If I was a current member of the military and could not express my opinions (as is most certainly the case), I would indeed feel feminized.

46 posted on 02/27/2006 9:08:16 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: hocndoc
Come on - remember racially segregated units?

That's the old standard argument when defending the "women in combat" notion. It is also specious. Are only the top 5% of black men comparable in strength to the bottom 5% of white men? No? Then there is no basis to keep them from combat; they do not degrade the overall effectiveness and unit-cohesion of fighting units. Emotional relationships between men and women are also ignored by this poor argument.

47 posted on 02/27/2006 9:09:32 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Last Dakotan

but just what is the problem with a woman flying a helicopter gunship?


48 posted on 02/27/2006 9:10:01 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: cll

sure it could, now an oh-58 A or charlie model wouldn't be much fun.:)


49 posted on 02/27/2006 9:13:06 AM PST by superfries
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To: Al Simmons
You just gotta love a chick with a finger on a Hellfire missile.....

No doubt you are a fan of the current crop of Hollywood movies where one svelte women kicks the crap out of twenty guys in a fight....

50 posted on 02/27/2006 9:13:06 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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