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Constitution: Dead or alive?
The Washington Times ^ | 2-27-06 | Paul Greenberg

Posted on 02/27/2006 12:16:31 PM PST by JZelle

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To: RobbyS
"On every question of construction let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 32.

For an example of what those debates were... click here...

Elliot's Debates contain a wealth of information on exactly what the Founders meant. Without having to resort to later judicial activism and reinterpretation.

81 posted on 02/28/2006 7:14:23 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: RobbyS
Technically the Constiytution isn't a (social) contract, but is it a legal instrument.

I never said it was a 'social' contract.

If one reads the assorted treatise and legal writings quoted by the Founders (along with the writing of the Founders themselves) it is plain that the Constitutional contract, formed by the civil entities of the States, created a statutory entity of the United States with express local federal powers and limited national powers.

We couldn't survive if the courts monkeyed around with most legal instruments the way they do with the Constitution.

True, but they can 'monkey' with it all they like. Since anything repugnant to the Constitution is automatically null and void, their 'monkeying' doesn't change the letter or the law of the Constitution, it only tries to confuse it.

82 posted on 02/28/2006 7:34:07 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Jefferson was frustrated by Marshall's trick in Marbury vs. Madison and the "development" of constitutional law. He expected the Constitution significantly to be amended and even replaced after a generation or so, as say, Virginia's was a few years after his death.


83 posted on 02/28/2006 8:39:18 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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Rugged individualism is a concept better viewed in an urban environment than in a rurtal community On the frontier,individual households were exposed to attack by indian raiders and white drifters, but the best security was, in the end, common force.

So... do you believe that the 2nd amendment grants an individual the right to be armed? The best security in urban areas is an armed individual..

84 posted on 02/28/2006 3:25:46 PM PST by ziggygrey
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I believe that the individual has the right to self-defence. and that comes beofre the forming of any government. The means is secondary. but the means must be sufficient.


85 posted on 02/28/2006 4:00:12 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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