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Just Nine Out of 300 Terminals Involved in Dubai Deal
NewsMax.com ^ | Feb. 28, 2006 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 02/28/2006 3:34:51 PM PST by Carl/NewsMax

News reports over the last two weeks have repeatedly claimed that a Dubai company was taking control of six major U.S. ports as part of a deal approved by the Bush administration.

But according to one port security expert, Dubai Ports World will run just a tiny fraction of the terminals at the U.S. ports involved if the deal goes through.

Defending the transaction on MSNBC's "Scarborough Company" Monday night, Kim Petersen, president of Seasecure, noted: "There are 300 terminals at those ports. Dubai Ports World is going to handle nine of them."

SeaSecure is the largest provider of maritime security in America.

That's a far cry from the impression left by the press, which reported over 50 times in the last two weeks that DPW would be "taking control of six major U.S. ports," according to a Nexis Lexis search.

Variations on the same phrase likely appeared in hundreds of additional reports.

Only in the American press does a 3 percent share of operations constitute "taking control."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bds; control; dubai; dubaiportsworld; homelandsecurity; iran; israel; joescarborough; msnbc; ports; seasecure; security; terminals; uae; unitedarabemirates
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1 posted on 02/28/2006 3:34:53 PM PST by Carl/NewsMax
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Takes only one terminal ... and its more like 21 ports, not 6...
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060223-051657-4981r


2 posted on 02/28/2006 3:44:42 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: ziggygrey
Do you work at a port? Are you familiar with how port security is handled? Do you want to see what the Port of Houston's official position is?

 
 

Fact Sheet: Implication of the Proposed Acquisition of P&O Ports by Dubai Ports World on the Port of Houston Authority

HOUSTON, Feb. 23, 2006 -- The recent announcement of plans by the Dubai Ports World (DP World) to purchase P&O Ports (P&O) will not have an impact on any of the facilities or operations of the Port of Houston Authority (PHA).

The PHA is a political subdivision chartered by the state of Texas. It owns and either operates or leases 12 public facilities. The PHA does not own or operate private facilities.

Specifically in Houston, P&O leases space at the PHA's Barbours Cut Container Terminal for container and chassis repair and container storage. At the PHA's Turning Basin Terminal, P&O maintains a freight handling assignment and is licensed to provide stevedore services. P&O does not own or operate public (PHA) facilities.

P&O, a private company headquartered in London, is involved in worldwide container terminal operations and stevedore services for the maritime industry.

The Port of Houston comprises more than 150 public (PHA) and private terminals along the 53-mile Houston Ship Channel. The port's private terminals include several U.S.-based, foreign-based and multi-national corporations. Approximately 85% of cargo that moves through Houston's port is handled at private facilities. A large portion of the port's private facilities are engaged in production, refining and transportation operations related to the global oil, gas and chemical industries.

PORT SECURITY

All port facilities in the U.S. that are engaged in commercial activities across interstate lines or international borders -- whether public or private, domestic or foreign -- are subject to state and federal security statutes as well as the rules and regulations of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies.

The federal government takes the lead in protecting America's ports. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security, primarily through the activities of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and the U.S. Coast Guard, runs many programs to secure U.S. ports. The U.S. Coast Guard is responsible for maritime security and reviewing and approving security plans for vessels, port facilities and port areas which are required by the MTSA. Customs and Border Protection is responsible for cargo security, and screens and inspects cargo entering the U.S. through every U.S. port.

Other cargo security programs include:

 -- Container Security Initiative (inspection of U.S. import cargo 
    by CBP prior to leaving the outbound foreign port)
 -- Use of radiation detection equipment to screen for weapons of 
    mass destruction
 -- Use of other non-intrusive inspection devices
 -- Customs Trade Partnership Against Terrorism (C-TPAT), which 
    encourages maritime stakeholders to verify their security 
    measures.  

The Port Security Grant program and the pending implementation of the Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC) are also important parts of America's port security portfolio to provide layered security.

While the federal government takes the lead on waterside and cargo security, overall security is a shared responsibility with port authorities, facility and vessel operators, and state and local law enforcement agencies providing additional security. The Maritime Transportation Security Act also establishes local security committees to evaluate and make improvements in each port.

In general, port infrastructure throughout the U.S. and around the world consists of diverse collections of docks, warehouses, and terminals. For the past two decades, it has been a common maritime industry practice for private port facilities in some countries to be operated by organizations that are based in other countries. This is widely regarded as the nature of trade and commerce in today's global economy.

For more information, please visit www.portofhouston.com .

The Port of Houston Authority logo can be found at: http://media.primezone.com/prs/single/?pkgid=720

CONTACTS:  Port of Houston Authority 
           Argentina M. James, Director of Public Affairs 
           Office: (713) 670-2568 Cell: (713) 306-6822
           ajames@poha.com
 

3 posted on 02/28/2006 3:47:17 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
There are dozens of news reports saying the true number of ports is 21 So what is the correct number? 6 ? 9 ? 21 ?
4 posted on 02/28/2006 3:47:38 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Limbacher sees the light!


5 posted on 02/28/2006 3:47:39 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Imagine that; the not-so-MSM quibbled. Shocked. Absolutely stunned. /sarc


6 posted on 02/28/2006 3:50:05 PM PST by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Thanks. Glad to see someone getting the facts out. I do not object to people having different opinions on the wisdom of the Port Deal, but it really made me angry the way the opposition has deliveratly obfuscated or mislead on the facts


7 posted on 02/28/2006 4:02:21 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I am still neutral with regard to all this, but a stupid argument is still a stupid argument. You only need one terminal to smuggle contraband, which is the alleged threat at hand..


8 posted on 02/28/2006 4:11:04 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: Sally'sConcerns
From that lengthy paper:

"For the past two decades, it has been a common maritime industry practice for private port facilities in some countries to be operated by organizations that are based in other countries. This is widely regarded as the nature of trade and commerce in today's global economy..."

Everything changed post 9-11, and what had been "common maritime practice" has got to take a back seat to our national security.

A royal family that hunts with OBL, laundered his $$ and supplied two of the terrorists that attacked our country is a country we don't need operating any of the terminals in any of our ports..

9 posted on 02/28/2006 4:11:39 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: ex-Texan

The issue is not how many PORTS are involved, it is how many TERMINALS. Every major port has many terminals. So the discussion of the UAE taking control of our ports is an intentional obfuscation.


10 posted on 02/28/2006 4:18:09 PM PST by Eva
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To: ex-Texan

P&O Ports North America's home page is:

http://portal.pohub.com/portal/page?_pageid=169,1,169_82863&_dad=pogprtl&_schema=POGPRTL

P&O Groups global Ports subsidiary page is:

http://portal.pohub.com/portal/page?_pageid=71,207406&_dad=pogprtl&_schema=POGPRTL

On the latter page, you can follow links to North American container totals.

The article leading off this thread is rather fact free, to say the least.


11 posted on 02/28/2006 4:19:23 PM PST by atlaw
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Bump, Sally!


12 posted on 02/28/2006 4:20:45 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: ziggygrey

" royal family that hunts with OBL, laundered his $$ and supplied two of the terrorists that attacked our country is a country we don't need operating any of the terminals in any of our ports..
"

So now the Royal Family "supplied" 2 911 hijackers?


13 posted on 02/28/2006 4:21:10 PM PST by bayourant
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To: ziggygrey
Everything changed post 9-11, and what had been "common maritime practice" has got to take a back seat to our national security.

Do you plan to demand that the ports in Dubai be closed also?

14 posted on 02/28/2006 4:22:26 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: ziggygrey

A royal family that hunts with OBL, laundered his $$ and supplied two of the terrorists that attacked our country is a country we don't need operating any of the terminals in any of our ports..

Right on.

IMHO our enemy should not be rewarded with multi-billion $ contracts


15 posted on 02/28/2006 4:23:36 PM PST by chainsaw ( ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
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To: Howlin
Do you plan to demand that the ports in Dubai be closed also?

I'm not demanding that ports be closed HERE... but in a post-911 world, port security is a national security priority (and one that with a GOP congress and WH, we should expect to be a very high priority).

I'm not as concerned with ports in Dubai.. and I resent that a small dictatorship should be calling the shots on OUR security..

16 posted on 02/28/2006 4:26:54 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: Howlin
I just became aware yesterday that Dubai operates a large air freight facility in New York. Were you aware of this?

This is the biggest brouhaha over nothing that I have seen in years. The only thing worse was the Cheney hunting hysteria.

And of course, Bush left for India so that he can't answer anyone for three or four days. Tell me this wasn't planned for maximum effect.

17 posted on 02/28/2006 4:27:24 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: bayourant
The subject of that sentence was "a country".. the clause that you quoted should have begun "whose.."

I'll amend the sentence to comply with the grammar police...

18 posted on 02/28/2006 4:28:57 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: ziggygrey
I'm not as concerned with ports in Dubai..

Of course you're not; if you were, you'd find out some FACTS:

Flashback - December 13, 2004: Dubai, U.A.E., Joins U.S. Container Security Initiative (State Dept.)

and I resent that a small dictatorship should be calling the shots on OUR security..

Again proving you don't know what you're talking about.

19 posted on 02/28/2006 4:30:14 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: Miss Marple

No, I did not know that; so it's okay for them to FLY stuff in, but not SAIL it in?


20 posted on 02/28/2006 4:30:52 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: Howlin
Dubai, U.A.E., Joins U.S. Container Security Initiative (State Dept.)..

Oh look! They told us so themselves! I'm SOOO reassured...

21 posted on 02/28/2006 4:32:45 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: atlaw

I have been to the port at NJ. I have called on P&O and know their facility. It is large, but NOT the largest at Newark. I believe Marsk is the largest there, but there are about 1/2 dozen companies that unload freighters there.

Now I don't have a dog in this fight, but all those guys on the docks are Union longshoremen. I doubt you could get rid of them and start hiring immigrants from the MiddleEast. I was more concerned when the Chinese took over the Panama canal and the port of Long Beach and so far that has been rather unfounded.

Since World Ports has agreed to set up a US division with an American in charge to run the ports I am less concerned.

Last...if you don't want foreign companies to run these ports, pass a law and list everything you don't want foreigners to own. I think you'll find America with a lot of for sale businesses and that big sucking sound will be foreign monies leaving our shores.


22 posted on 02/28/2006 4:33:33 PM PST by Edison
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To: ziggygrey
Ok, which royal family entertained Osama?

General Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, Chairman of the Executive Council of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi
Sheikh Sultan bin Mohammed Al Qasimi, Crown Prince and Deputy Ruler of Sharjah, Chairman of the Sharjah Executive Council
HE Sheikh Sultan bin Mohammed Al Qasimi, Crown Prince and Deputy Ruler of Sharjah, Chairman of the Sharjah Executive Council
HE Sheikh Saud bin Saqr Al Qasimi, Crown Prince and Deputy Ruler of Ra's al-Khaimah
HE Sheikh Saud bin Rashid Al Mu'alla, Crown Prince of Umm al-Qaiwain
HE Sheikh Ammar bin Humaid Al Nuaimi, Crown Prince of Ajman

Which royal family laundered his money?

As for the 2 terrorists coming from the UAE, can you point out to me which emirate they came from?

Abu Dhabe, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Umm al-Qaiwain, Ras al-Khaimah and Fujairah?

Did you read far enough into the "lengthy paper" to see who handles our port security in Houston?

23 posted on 02/28/2006 4:36:56 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: Edison

Don't get in the way of a good rant with pesky facts.


24 posted on 02/28/2006 4:37:37 PM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I am glad to see NewsMax not being swept with the hysteria of the Dubai Ports deal and is showing the facts and truth behind this deal.
25 posted on 02/28/2006 4:37:49 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: ziggygrey

Well, thanks for proving the point that you don't know the facts and don't care to know them.


26 posted on 02/28/2006 4:40:17 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: atlaw; Eva
Thanks for posting that information, atlaw! I counted 21 port locations in the U.S. There is virtually no information posted on P & O's site about how many container terminals are involved. Containers are the primary concern of port security operations. Hundreds or thousands of containers may be filled with machine parts, used widgets, drugs and other stuff. If only one container hides a nuke, the whole ball game is over.
27 posted on 02/28/2006 4:41:56 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Edison
Last...if you don't want foreign companies to run these ports, pass a law and list everything you don't want foreigners to own. I think you'll find America with a lot of for sale businesses and that big sucking sound will be foreign monies leaving our shores.

Oh sure, companies won't want to ship here if their cargo is subjected to AMERICAN security and handling at AMERICAN ports....

In this particular case, it isn't that the port security have foreigners in the chain of cargo entry, it's a company from THIS country:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/688591.html

The deal went down with little apparent concern from our government, so I'm wondering if we're getting soft on the war on terror..do we need yet another 911-level wakeup call?

28 posted on 02/28/2006 4:42:16 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: colorado tanker
Don't get in the way of a good rant with pesky facts.

Careful! I said that on another thread and was "asked" to not post by the person who put the thread up...........LOL.

29 posted on 02/28/2006 4:42:20 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: Howlin
Notice the sign up date? Seems just about everyone opposed to it (save the few malcontents that have been anti-everything Bush since 2000) signed up just before the 2004 election or within the last couple of months.
30 posted on 02/28/2006 4:42:43 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Pat Buchanan lost a family member in the holocaust. The man fell out of a guard tower.)
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To: ziggygrey

You really need to go back and read the "lengthy paper" you poo-poo'd. It addresses exactly who is responsible for security.

Here, where you don't have to strain your eyes, I've c/p'd the portion addressing port security:

"The federal government takes the lead in protecting America's ports. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security, primarily through the activities of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and the U.S. Coast Guard, runs many programs to secure U.S. ports. The U.S. Coast Guard is responsible for maritime security and reviewing and approving security plans for vessels, port facilities and port areas which are required by the MTSA. Customs and Border Protection is responsible for cargo security, and screens and inspects cargo entering the U.S. through every U.S. port.

Other cargo security programs include:

-- Container Security Initiative (inspection of U.S. import cargo
by CBP prior to leaving the outbound foreign port)
-- Use of radiation detection equipment to screen for weapons of
mass destruction
-- Use of other non-intrusive inspection devices
-- Customs Trade Partnership Against Terrorism (C-TPAT), which
encourages maritime stakeholders to verify their security
measures.

The Port Security Grant program and the pending implementation of the Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC) are also important parts of America's port security portfolio to provide layered security.

While the federal government takes the lead on waterside and cargo security, overall security is a shared responsibility with port authorities, facility and vessel operators, and state and local law enforcement agencies providing additional security. The Maritime Transportation Security Act also establishes local security committees to evaluate and make improvements in each port."


I would suggest before you start calling the UAE a dictatorship you might want to consider going to their website and reading about their system of governance.


31 posted on 02/28/2006 4:42:49 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: ziggygrey

I believe the Saudi's have docks in several ports on the east coast, New York is one of them. Anyway, they wouldn't need to put a bomb in a shipping container, just inside any ship that ties up at a dock. How you gonna' stop that? You can't.


32 posted on 02/28/2006 4:44:34 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: Howlin

Didn't you know that the original poster "owns" the thread???


33 posted on 02/28/2006 4:51:40 PM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: colorado tanker

So I was told today; good to know, huh? :-)


34 posted on 02/28/2006 4:52:14 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: ex-Texan

P&O is involved in port operations throught the Gulf of Mexico along Texas and the northern Atlantic states. I believe they mentioned the 6 major ports involved.


35 posted on 02/28/2006 4:53:16 PM PST by sasha123
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To: muleskinner
Oh wait, you could stop every foreign ship about 20 miles out and spend a week or so going thru it with a geiger counter, then a nerve gas detector, etc.

Maybe the only thing that gives certain countries the incentive to keep their cargo clean is the knowledge that they will cease to exist if any catastrophic event can be pinned on them

36 posted on 02/28/2006 4:54:59 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: Sally'sConcerns

P&O has operations in Houston, along with quite a few other Gulf of Mexico ports, Corpus, Port Arthur, Galveston...


37 posted on 02/28/2006 4:56:21 PM PST by sasha123
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To: ex-Texan

http://portal.pohub.com/portal/page?_pageid=36,1,36_31159:36_34057&_dad=pogprtl&_schema=POGPRTL
Click on North America for info about each port and number of berths


38 posted on 02/28/2006 4:57:56 PM PST by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

"I would suggest before you start calling the UAE a dictatorship you might want to consider going to their website and reading about their system of governance."

You're not suggesting, I hope, that the UAE is a democracy.

And the UAE's home page is probably not the best source for an objective view. For a slightly better perspective (patriarchal and tribal rule, human trafficking, Shari'a law and courts, criminal sanctions for proselytizing muslims, etc.):

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41734.htm


39 posted on 02/28/2006 4:58:57 PM PST by atlaw
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To: Howlin

Sorta like when my kids start to fight over a toy one of them picks up, each claiming it's theirs. Of course, I'm not like that - unless someone tries to take the TV controller away from me . . . . :-)


40 posted on 02/28/2006 5:07:05 PM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

And you might give some passing consideration to this article as well, which isn't exactly ancient history, and isn't exactly unique in its perspective:

_____________________________________________________
An Unlikely Criminal Crossroads

12/5/05

"From Egypt to Afghanistan, when terrorists and gangsters need a place to meet, to relax, maybe to invest, they head to Dubai, a bustling city-state on the Persian Gulf. The Middle East's unquestioned financial capital, Dubai is the showcase of the United Arab Emirates, an oil-rich federation of sheikdoms. Forty years ago, Dubai was a backwater; today, it hosts dozens of banks and one of the world's busiest ports; its free-trade zones are crammed with thousands of companies. Construction is everywhere--skyscrapers, malls, hotels, and, soon, the world's tallest building."

"But Dubai also serves as the region's criminal crossroads, a hub for smuggling, money laundering, and underground banking. There are Russian and Indian mobsters, Iranian arms traffickers, and Arab jihadists. Funds for the 9/11 hijackers and African embassy bombers were transferred through the city. It was the heart of Pakistani scientist A. Q. Khan's black market in nuclear technology and other proliferation cases."

"Half of all applications to buy U.S. military equipment from Dubai are from bogus front companies, officials say. "Iran," adds one U.S. official, "is building a bomb through Dubai." Last year, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents thwarted the shipment of 3,000 U.S. military night-vision goggles by an Iranian pair based in Dubai. Moving goods undetected is not hard. Dhows--rickety wooden boats that have plowed the Arabian Sea for centuries--move along the city center, uninspected, down the aptly named Smuggler's Creek."

"U.A.E. rulers have taken terrorism seriously since 9/11, but Washington has a half-dozen extradition requests that they refuse to honor. The list includes people accused of rape, murder, and arms trafficking, and the last fugitive of the BCCI banking scandal. The country has put money laundering controls on the books but has made few cases. Interior Minister Sheik Saif bin Zayed Al Nahyan told U.S. News the U.A.E. has made great strides in cracking down, but he insists that the real problems lie elsewhere. "We are a neutral country, like Switzerland," he says. "Give us the evidence, and we will do something about it. Don't blame others." Not everyone agrees. "All roads lead to Dubai," says former treasury agent John Cassara, author of Hide and Seek, a forthcoming book on terrorism finance. Cassara tried explaining U.S. concerns about Dubai to a local businessman but got only a puzzled look: "Mr. John, money laundering? But that's what we do."

-David E. Kaplan

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/051205/5terror.b1.htm


41 posted on 02/28/2006 5:11:10 PM PST by atlaw
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To: Carl/NewsMax

This whole thing started because of some lawsuit with P&O because a tugboat captain is going to lose some money...has nothing to do with the UAE people.


42 posted on 02/28/2006 5:13:34 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Sally'sConcerns
From your article: "While the federal government takes the lead on waterside and cargo security, overall security is a shared responsibility with port authorities, facility and vessel operators, and state and local law enforcement agencies providing additional security. The Maritime Transportation Security Act also establishes local security committees to evaluate and make improvements in each port. In general, port infrastructure throughout the U.S. and around the world consists of diverse collections of docks, warehouses, and terminals. For the past two decades, it has been a common maritime industry practice for private port facilities in some countries to be operated by organizations that are based in other countries. This is widely regarded as the nature of trade and commerce in today's global economy. "

Shared responsibility? With THIS country??:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060223-123441-8908r.htm

BTW, like Hamas, they do not recognize Israel's right to exist....

The low ratings for our president reflects the general frustration over this deal. I really do not understand this, and those trying to defend this deal use a lot of sophistry and longwindedness to try to explain away this deal. Debbie Schussel gets it right:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/02/somethings_rott.html

43 posted on 02/28/2006 5:17:56 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: muleskinner

I guess we're just doomed then... and the terrorists won! Let's make $$$ in the meantime until we're all blown to kingdom come..


44 posted on 02/28/2006 5:19:05 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: Sally'sConcerns

By the way, do you have a link to that UAE website you referenced? It would be interesting to contrast it with the State Department's view.


45 posted on 02/28/2006 5:23:14 PM PST by atlaw
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To: jveritas
WSJ:

Through two lawsuits in London and Miami, and a flurry of lobbying in Washington since late January, Eller & Co., of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., has become an obstacle for Dubai Ports World's $6.8 billion takeover bid of P&O of London.

Eller's biggest breakthrough, though, has been in helping to stir consternation in Washington, and especially within Congress, about a deal that lawmakers from both parties portray as a potential threat to U.S. national security. The uproar during the last two weeks sparked a flurry of threatened legislation to block the deal and caused Dubai-owned DP World to request that the Bush administration begin a 45-day security review of the transaction.

P&O's proposed takeover has been in the works since late last year, but received no attention on Capitol Hill until Eller lobbyists began to brief key lawmakers in both the House and Senate, including Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of N.Y. He has since led the charge against the deal, along with other prominent Democrats such as Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Bob Menendez of New Jersey. All three represent the Port of New York, which would be covered by the deal.

46 posted on 02/28/2006 5:24:00 PM PST by BurbankKarl (Can't believe so many Freepers have fallen for this...)
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To: atlaw

Yes, I do since I googled UAE.

http://www.uaeinteract.com/government/political_system.asp#B


47 posted on 02/28/2006 5:24:02 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Thanks! Every time I google UAE these days, I get about a half-million articles on the port deal. I have yet to figure out a truly effective way to slip past the press-room frenzy and get to the background information.


48 posted on 02/28/2006 5:53:53 PM PST by atlaw
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To: ex-Texan

If you will read the Port of Houston statement that Sally's Concerns posted, you'll see why the variance among different articles on the number of ports incolved, 6 or 21.

Luckily, that was the very first document I found when I went to reference this last week, because I have worked with the Port of Houston often in the past.

The SIX ports being bandied about - New York, New Jersey, Philly, Baltimore, Miami and NOLA - are talked about the most because ... P&O LEASES terminals at these ports. When they LEASE a terminal, they manage their own interests and activities WITHIN that ONE leased terminal, just like any other lessee does.

That means they handle paperwork, have a small staff, do management duties, for things such as a storage yard they might have or a crane that they might build themselves to ENHANCE their LEASEHOLD, or a railyard connection that might be at that terminal, or other intermodal transportation.

If you look at the P&O list, you'll see that they have leases currently on TWO container terminals, at Port Newark and Port Jersey City, within the authority of the Port of New York and Port of New Jersey, a two-state partnership. One is joint venture, partnered with Maersk on a 30-year lease. Most of this RoRo cargo, imported cars.

On those two leases, P&O, and soon DPW/America, is the OPERATOR of those individual TERMINALS.

Separately, but also in the NY port area, the City of NYC contracts with P&O to provide management and stevedoring services for the New York Cruise Terminal, under a 20-year LEASE. Among their duties, they host Fleet Week for the US Navy.

In Philadelphia/Camden, P&O has a joint venture with the Delaware River Stevedores for the Tioga Marine Terminal. DRS operates the terminal, which mainly deals in Chilean fruit. DRS has the 10-year lease - P&O, as noted, is just the partner with the Americans who are in charge.

Also in Philly, the Philadelphia Cruise Terminal (formerly the Navy Yard) is served by the DRS partnership with baggage handling and storing services. DRS also contracts its services at the Del Monte Fruit Terminal, providing labor and equipment, and at terminals in the Port of Wilmington.

The largest P&O operations in the US are at the Port of Baltimore, where they operate two terminals on six-year leases. These are the Seagirt Marine Terminal and the Dundalk Marine Terminal. They provide terminal management and stevedoring services, as well as maintenance and repair of containers and chassis.

Additionally, P&O contracts directly with shipping lines for various cargo handling services in the harbor at Baltimore.

In Miami, P&O is half owner of the Port of Miami Terminal Operating Company, which operates the only multi-user container facility at the port. P&O also has contracts for stevedoring and other services at other terminals within the port.

P&O has been an integral part of the Port of New Orleans for decades, providing comprehensive terminal operating and stevedoring services, including a full complement of top-end handling equipment and expansive storage warehousing facilities. They operate leases at the Nashville Avenue B and C Container Terminals, as well as the Napoleon Avenue Container terminal.


All right. The scorecard tally from those 6 ports is:

.2 total terminals in NYC/NJ leased - half each of two, plus all of another
.1 total terminal in Philly - half each of two
.2 total terminals in Baltimore - all of each
.1/2 (0.5) a terminal in Miami
.3 total terminals in New Orleans

The grand total is management of 8.5 TERMINALS in those 6 ports. The earlier article stated that there are 300 terminals in those 6 ports alone. Thus, we're talking about 8.5 terminals out of 300.

Those are ALL the "port management/terminal management" activities in which P&O and soon DPW/America will be involved.

In the other 15 ports listed on the P&O site, which evidently add up to the "21 ports" figure some have quoted, P&O - DPW/America, if you will, is just another contractor of various handling services in selected terminals at those ports.

In Houston, for example, they operate these services in just two terminals - Barbours Cut and just 4 wharves at the City Docks Turnin Basin Terminal. They don't lease any TERMINALS and therefore, do not provide any management services for any TERMINALS.

While I don't have a total number for how many terminals there are in the ports of Houston (150, I know that one), Beaumont, Corpus Christi, Port Arthur, Freeport, Galveston, TX; Lake Charles, Baton Rouge, LA; Gulfport, MS; Norfolk, VA, and environs; Wilmington, DE; Davisville, RI; Boston, MA; and Portland, ME, I can be assured it is more than the 300 in the original six ports detailed.

They have NO leases and NO port management contracts for ANY of those TERMINALS in those ports.

Now do you see the difference between the main 6 "ports" and the total 21 "ports"?


49 posted on 03/01/2006 3:33:32 AM PST by Rte66
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I do not object to people having different opinions on the wisdom of the Port Deal, but it really made me angry the way the opposition has deliveratly obfuscated or mislead on the facts

I agree, wholeheartedly.

50 posted on 03/01/2006 4:42:58 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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