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Muhammad Cartoons Rile California College
AP ^ | March 1, 2006 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

Posted on 03/01/2006 6:07:38 AM PST by NewLand

Muhammad Cartoons Rile Calif. College
Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:54 AM EST
The Associated Press
By GILLIAN FLACCUS

IRVINE, Calif. (AP) — A student panel discussion that included a display of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons descended into chaos, with one speaker calling Islam an "evil religion" and audience members nearly coming to blows.

Organizers of Tuesday night's forum at the University of California, Irvine said they showed the cartoons as part of a larger debate on Islamic extremism.

But several hundred protesters, including members of the Muslim Student Union, argued the event was the equivalent of hate speech disguised as freedom of expression.

Although there were numerous heated exchanges, no violence was reported.

The panel, which included one Muslim speaker, was sponsored by the College Republicans and the United American Committee, a group that says it promotes awareness of internal threats facing America.

During the discussion in a nearly packed 424-seat campus auditorium, six cartoons were displayed: three depicting Muhammad and three anti-Semitic cartoons.

The discussion got off to a contentious start with the Council on American-Islamic Relations — an invited guest — boycotting the event and calling the United American Committee a "fringe group."

Tensions quickly escalated when the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of the conservative Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, said that Islam was an "evil religion" and that all Muslims hate America.

People repeatedly interrupted the talk and, at one point, campus police removed two men, one of them a Muslim, after they nearly came to blows.

Later, panelists were cheered when they referred to Muslims as fascists and accused mainstream Muslim-American civil rights groups of being "cheerleaders for terror."

"I put out a call to Muslims in America: Put out a fatwa on (Osama) bin Laden, put out a fatwa on (Abu Musab) al-Zarqawi," said panelist Lee Kaplan, a UAC spokesman. "Support America in the war on terror."

Thousands of Muslims worldwide have protested, sometimes violently, after the cartoons were published in a Danish newspaper and in other European newspapers. Islam widely holds that representations of Muhammad are banned for fear they could lead to idolatry.

Osman Umarji, former president of the Muslim Student Union, equated the decision by the student panel to display the prophet drawings to the debasement of Jews in Germany before the Holocaust.

"The agenda is to spread Islamophobia and create hysteria against Muslims similar to what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany," said Umarji, an electrical engineer who graduated from Irvine last spring. "Freedom of speech has its limits."

Brock Hill, vice president of the College Republicans, said his group had a First Amendment right to display the cartoons.

"We're not going against Islam whatsoever," he said. "This is about free speech and the free marketplace of ideas."

Mohamed Eldessouky, 20, a criminology student who attended the discussion, said he was disappointed because he felt the panel and the audience were biased against Islam.

"I entered it with an open mind, but I thought it was totally biased. I thought the panelists would be more balanced. I think it did more harm than good," he said.

Lauren Chramosta, 18, a freshman, said she didn't know much about Islam and attended hoping to learn more.

"It was helpful to listen to different views," she said. "But I think (the Muslim panelist) was shut down so many times that he didn't get a fair shake."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; amendment1; cartoons; denmark; evil; evilmuslims; evilreligion; irvine; islam; islamicevil; islamofascists; mohammed; rop; trop; uci; ucirvine; wot
Interesting event with the typical AP twist.
1 posted on 03/01/2006 6:07:40 AM PST by NewLand
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To: NewLand

I sure hope we arent holding any Muslims in America against their will. If they feel so strongly that pictures of Mohammed shouldnt be shown , I think they should go to a country that upholds their beliefs.

America---Love it or leave it.


2 posted on 03/01/2006 6:12:38 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: NewLand; indcons

Sounds like they're starting to test the waters here, now. It isn't rioting in the streets cause they know they'd never get away with it yet, but they've learned our laws and know how to use PC against us.


3 posted on 03/01/2006 6:13:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
they've learned our laws and know how to use PC against us

Courtesy of our 'friends'...the Dems.

4 posted on 03/01/2006 6:15:13 AM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: NewLand

"hate speech disguised as freedom of expression."

Aha! Hate speech IS free expression, A-hole. They don't even understand the most basic aspects of our society. Probably allowed to vote, too.


5 posted on 03/01/2006 6:15:14 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: NewLand
"The agenda is to spread Islamophobia and create hysteria against Muslims similar to what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany," said Umarji, an electrical engineer who graduated from Irvine last spring. "Freedom of speech has its limits."

Wait a second - the mulsim president of Iran said the Holocaust was a hoax...whom to believe?

6 posted on 03/01/2006 6:15:50 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: metmom

You're absolutely right....and the leftist fools don't even realize who they are supporting!!


7 posted on 03/01/2006 6:16:20 AM PST by indcons (Beware of muslims bearing gifts (apologies to Homer))
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To: NewLand
To disagree with Islam is to be guilty of a "hate crime." How charming. Now I know how author Ibn Warraq feels.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

8 posted on 03/01/2006 6:17:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NewLand
I guess the divine nature of Mohammed's revelations is verified as the AP captializes "Prophet".

I understand and accept "the prophet Mohammed" as to distinguish him from the other exploding Mo's out there, but I guess we should be thankful that they don't write (pbuh) afterwards.

9 posted on 03/01/2006 6:18:19 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: NewLand
Mohamed Eldessouky, 20, a criminology student who attended the discussion, said he was disappointed because he felt the panel and the audience were biased against Islam.

It's not entirely unusual for sensible people to be "biased" against those who want to kill them.

10 posted on 03/01/2006 6:18:32 AM PST by Smile-n-Win (Islam offends me!)
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To: NewLand
Guess I am just an Islamaphobic infidel, cause I think these cartoons should be published every day for a year. It's called Free Speech baby, and if you're going to live in our society, better get used to it!
11 posted on 03/01/2006 6:20:20 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: goldstategop

pics:

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showforum=38


12 posted on 03/01/2006 6:21:33 AM PST by Ladycalif (She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain. -- Louisa May Alcott)
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To: Ladycalif; All
Great Pics From The Event on other FR thread...CLICK HERE
13 posted on 03/01/2006 6:23:10 AM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: NewLand
Reported by
14 posted on 03/01/2006 6:24:15 AM PST by pabianice (contact ebay??)
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To: NewLand

Islam "is" evil, but it is not a religion.


15 posted on 03/01/2006 6:24:24 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Let's make government a liberal free zone.)
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To: NewLand
A student panel discussion that included a display of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons descended into chaos, with one speaker calling Islam an "evil religion" and audience members nearly coming to blows.

Islam'll do that to ya...

16 posted on 03/01/2006 6:24:32 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: NewLand
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't UC Irvine a liberal hotbed? How did they allow such a panel to come in and actually give it a cheerful reception in the first place?

Does this mean the libs are falling away from the islamofascists?

I sure hope so. We can disagree with the libs all we want on social security and health care but we sure could do with agreeing on who the enemy is.
17 posted on 03/01/2006 6:25:55 AM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: NewLand
"er, panelists were cheered when they referred to Muslims as fascists and accused mainstream Muslim-American civil rights groups of being "cheerleaders for terror." "

See guys don't write us off in CA just yet :-)

18 posted on 03/01/2006 6:27:27 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: voletti

Hate speech is also protected under the 1st amendment that liberals supposedly cherish so much.

Those two faced retards once again reveal that they are simply hypocrites. They can dish it out when they bash rednecks, christians, and Karl Rove, but they can't take it.


19 posted on 03/01/2006 6:28:42 AM PST by manglor
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To: L98Fiero
I'm seeing this phrase pop up a lot lately too.

"Freedom of speech has its limits."

20 posted on 03/01/2006 6:30:24 AM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: F.J. Mitchell
In another chapter in the debate, factual history in the gulf is being stomped...

"Juma Salami, Assistant Undersecretary to Foreign Private Education said that the book published by Silver Burdett Ginn has a racist tone and is insulting to the country's religion and culture. "It is not a community school and a good number of Muslim and Arab children are studying there. By incorporating the book in the syllabus, the schools have failed to show respect to the religious sentiments of the host country."

21 posted on 03/01/2006 6:31:18 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: sgtbono2002

They hate the West. Why are they here ?


22 posted on 03/01/2006 6:34:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: metmom

Yes, they are testing the waters, but this sounds to me like young Republicans and the UAC pushing the envelope to try to educate Americans about Islam.If so, then kudos to them.


23 posted on 03/01/2006 6:35:48 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: voletti
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't UC Irvine a liberal hotbed?

Irvine itself is 'conservative' by CA standards. Not sure about UCI.

24 posted on 03/01/2006 7:00:42 AM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They hate the West. Why are they here ?

To join forces with others who hate the West that are already here.

25 posted on 03/01/2006 7:02:18 AM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: NewLand

They are not extremeists and will riot to prove it.


26 posted on 03/01/2006 7:14:17 AM PST by BadAndy (If the MSM had any guts they would show the Mohammed cartoons.)
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To: sgtbono2002

I hear people talking bad about
the way they have to live here in this country,
Harping on the wars we fight, griping 'bout the
way things ought to be.
If you don't love it leave it
let this song that I'm singing be a warning,
When you're running down my country man you're walking on the fighting side of me.

Merle Haggard


27 posted on 03/01/2006 7:30:13 AM PST by seedman81 (Better to die in Christ and gain life than to live my way and lose in the end)
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To: stevio
"Freedom of speech has its limits."

Remember "You can't yell FIRE in a crowded theater."? It does have its limits.

28 posted on 03/01/2006 7:38:24 AM PST by RonF
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To: NewLand

"he was disappointed because he felt the panel and the audience were biased against Islam"

The term "biased against islam" needs to be translated from islamish to English:

biased against islam - a phrase used by muslims to describe the truth being told about islam.


29 posted on 03/01/2006 7:43:53 AM PST by RouxStir (Mohammed is THE BOMB!)
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To: RonF

That's not what they're talking about in this case.


30 posted on 03/01/2006 7:48:45 AM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: seedman81

Ya know Country Music isnt what it used to be. I watched a show last night about the 10 sexiest women in Country Music, and I only recognised two or three of them, One was Dolly Parton. Now Dolly isnt sexy, she is a joke, Even she admits that. Reba McIntire wasnt even to be found nor was Tanya Tucker. Getting too old I guess, but so is Dolly.


31 posted on 03/01/2006 7:49:59 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: RonF
Remember "You can't yell FIRE in a crowded theater."? It does have its limits.

What if there is a fire in a crowded theater? Do those limits deny speaking the truth because someone's feelings may get hurt?

32 posted on 03/01/2006 7:51:06 AM PST by Betty Jane
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I dont know. The thing that gets me is we are all up in arms about the Arabs and the ports and every time I go to see a Doctor its a Paki or an Indian. Why arent we supporting American kids who want to be Doctors?


33 posted on 03/01/2006 7:52:01 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

I think I can tell you what I see; The medical schools want a certain blend of ethnicity in their graduate numbers, so if you (1) don't have a 4.0 accumulative GPA and (2) father or mother did go to school there and (3) your family has not made contributions to the new building fund, you won't get in.


34 posted on 03/01/2006 8:00:46 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Cause american kids are too busy getting gold teefs and other bling bling and singing on american idol rather than studying biology, organic chemistry, physiology, anatomy and whatever else they need for medschool.


35 posted on 03/01/2006 8:01:51 AM PST by manglor
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To: NewLand
Thousands of Muslims worldwide have protested, sometimes violently, after the cartoons were published in a Danish newspaper and in other European newspapers. Islam widely holds that representations of Muhammad are banned for fear they could lead to idolatry.

I could care less what Muslims think about Mohammed cartons. I don't live in a nation where there is Sharia law nor where Islam is dominant. These arrogant immigrants forget this. They are the worst possible immigrants and seek to dictate to Danes what free speech is. Danes who have lived there for hundreds of years while the Muslims are fresh off the boat. They also try to tell Americans what free speech is. A harmless Mohammed cartoon falls under American free speech laws. They will try to bully Americans and Danes and try to cut off free wheeling discussion of their evil prophet and their ignoble Koran

36 posted on 03/01/2006 8:11:40 AM PST by dennisw (There is no false prophet but Muhammad and Allah is his sock puppet)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; NewLand
They hate the West. Why are they here ?

Because their desire to destoy us, who they hate, is stronger than their hate.

37 posted on 03/01/2006 8:28:24 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Tell the them they are free to leave..at this time.


38 posted on 03/01/2006 8:32:28 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sgtbono2002

True enough. Dolly has had so much plastic surgery that I fear her face is going to slide right off of her skull. The lyrical content of country music is not what it used to be either. How many writers come close to what people like Haggard wrote back in the day? Not many. The music is pretty good, definitely more influenced by rock today than it used to be, but country music is a story telling genre and many of the stories being told today are fairly weak. In fact Toby Keith is about the only writer with big enough stones to actually tell the world he's pissed off at the state of our nation.


39 posted on 03/01/2006 8:34:02 AM PST by seedman81 (Better to die in Christ and gain life than to live my way and lose in the end)
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To: Betty Jane
Do those limits deny speaking the truth because someone's feelings may get hurt?

Absolutely not. And that's a major point that people are missing all around the world. They fail to see that if people react violently to speech they don't like, the fault is with them, not the speaker.

The statement "There are limits to free speech" is true. That can't be denied. The next thing they jump to, however - "Those limits should include a ban on insulting religion" - does not logically follow, and is false.

40 posted on 03/01/2006 9:39:10 AM PST by RonF
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To: NewLand
"The agenda is to spread Islamophobia and create hysteria against Muslims similar to what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany,"

Classic leftists dribble.

Create a morale equivalence between a victim group, in this case German Jews, who basted on all historical evidence did absolutely nothing to bring on their own destruction.

Then equate them equal value to a religion that preaches world conquest through the sward and is currently responsible for producing unspeakable horrors around the world.

Makes perfect sense…..if you’re an idiot.

41 posted on 03/01/2006 9:41:38 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: usurper

Basted=based stupid boy


42 posted on 03/01/2006 9:44:51 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: 2banana

LOL!

Good point.


43 posted on 03/01/2006 9:45:32 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: dennisw
They are the worst possible immigrants and seek to dictate to Danes what free speech is. Danes who have lived there for hundreds of years while the Muslims are fresh off the boat. They also try to tell Americans what free speech is.

As usual, your observations hit the bullseye.

44 posted on 03/01/2006 2:07:01 PM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: Kelly_2000
don't write us off in CA just yet :-)

Not yet...but we're definitely worried about you out there!

45 posted on 03/01/2006 2:20:42 PM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: NewLand
Indexing RELATED threads:
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46 posted on 03/01/2006 4:23:47 PM PST by RonDog
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To: NewLand
"Not yet...but we're definitely worried about you out there!"

yes I know what you mean, there are a lot of liberals per capita in this state but we are looking on this as a conversion challenge, rather that a problem :-) (glass is half full kinda people here LOL)

47 posted on 03/02/2006 2:20:53 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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