Posted on 03/01/2006 8:05:15 AM PST by grundle
ACLU opposes creation of 'Catholic town'
Domino's Pizza founder wants to build new town with 'Catholic values'
ACLU opposes creation of 'Catholic town'
Feb. 21: The Situation's Tucker Carlson asks Howard Simon, the Executive Director of Florida's ACLU, why his group is trying to stop the founder of Domino's pizza from building a town with Catholic values, and pharmacies that may not stock contraceptives.
TRANSCRIPT
MSNBC
Updated: 3:45 p.m. ET Feb. 22, 2006
If you could build a town from scratch, what would it look like? Tom Monaghan, the founder of Domino‘s Pizza, wants a towering Roman Catholic Church at the center of his proposed new town. He also prefers people who have the same religious beliefs as he does. He wants them to move into his aptly named Ave Maria, Florida.
There‘s one group standing in the way of Monaghan‘s lifelong dream, the American Civil Liberties Union, of course. Howard Simon is the executive director of Florida‘s ACLU. He joined Tucker Carlson from Miami.
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Hey, why not? Willie Wonka and Ray Naggin can build chocolate towns without anyone taking issue ...
I don't think it is an ALL Catholic town, but that they want to have some moral foundations for the city to attract people that have a similar mindset. Go for it...
But an Islamic America would be just fine with them.....
And what, pray tell Mr. Simon, what chaos or state disaster would befall a town where the landlord is a "religious" man exercising governmental authority on land that he is the legal owner of???
When it comes to someone else's religion no one has a right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do. If they want a Catholic town so be it. The ACLU has nothing to do with it and...am sure they aren't giving any money to it so they can BUTT OUT.
Paging the ACLU, have they read articles about Ann Arbor lately?
Excellent article to see just how convoluted and twisted the logic of the ACLU is.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
Don't see the ACLU bothering with New Square in Rockland County, New York.
New Square is the anglicized form of Skvira, a village in Ukraine, where the Skver Hasidim dynasty of Hasidism had its roots. The community began in 1954, when twenty Skver families moved from Williamsburg, Brooklyn to a 130 acre (530,000 m²) farm north of Spring Valley, under the leadership of their rebbe Rabbi Yakov Yosef Twersky. In 1961 New Square became the first village in New York state to be governed by a religious group. Over the years annexations have increased its size. Its population increased 77.5% between 1990 and 2000.
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Emulated by Satmars
New Square's success motivated the Satmar Hasidim headed by their own rebbe Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum to plan and build their own version of a town governed by a religious group at Kiryas Joel, New York.
There were a number of scandals plaguing the New Square community in recent years. Government allegations of fraudulent colleges with bogus student bodies set up to extract PELL grants, which would benefit the schools and institutions, bristle the community. Convictions were handed down against four community members, who received prison sentences ranging from two to six years. Unlike the cases of a priest and the dean of a well known university who were both convicted of pocketing government money for their personal use and were just given probation, charges of anti-Semitism and overzealous prosecution led to an eleventh-hour clemency by President Bill Clinton shortly before the end of his term in office, after he was visited by the community's Rebbe, Rabbi David Twersky who requested of the president to reduce the sentences of the convicted community members, for the sake of their wives and children.
Media allegations followed, suggesting that a quid-pro-quo was arranged with Hillary Clinton, who subsequently received about 99% of the vote in New Square. Investigations have not uncovered any wrongdoing, and the matter was dropped.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Square,_New_York
This commie's main problem seems to be that pharmacy's in the town won't have contraceptives and birth control; which are very important to leftists. Then he went on to say that private property ownership rights must be circumscribed to the public.
I honestly don't see how anyone can be a member of, or support, the ACLU and still call themself a freedom loving American. Ever notice how the ACLU, who is supposedly so concerned with protecting civil liberties, is always complaining that people need to STOP doing things.
So much for "celebrating diversity."
Roger Baldwin, the co-founder of the ACLU said: “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself. … I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.” In spite of Baldwin’s Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.
Baldwin didn’t create the ACLU in a vacuum, he had plenty of help. A group of Communist Party officials, fellow travelers, anarchists and radicals joined Baldwin to found the ACLU in 1920.
Freedom of association, apparently, is an inherent right to the ACLU, but only for those they approve.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I love it!
I'm shocked, shocked!
The proposed Ave Maria, Florida will not require an ACLU chapter.
Amish farming communes better be left alone too!
This is America - not an ACLU dictatorship!
ACLU just doesn't understand what private property rights are, do they? If this guy buys the land and builds all this stuff and the people who live there want to live by those rules, THEN SO BE IT!
Gay Pedophile Town would be okay for the ACLU. Why not this?
Modern liberals, many neo-conservatives, and radical libertarians are all too willing to use central power to destroy or control the "little battalions" of family, church, private associations, and local governments that are the most effective barriers against centralized tyranny.
Hey ACLU, the 1st Amendment also contains a provision for freedom of association. They can have a totally Catholic town if they want it.
Apparently, in FL, pharmacies are not REQUIRED to provide contraceptives, so if none are available in Ave Maria, folks who want them could always go to another town and get them. If the Barron Collier/Ave Maria folks think that having a abortion clinic does not comport with the town's values, they are within their rights to refuse to allow one to open. Not every town has or wants an abortion clinic. Again, they can be had elsewhere, no one is being denied any opportunity, they just might not be able to get it within a 10 minute ride. Nothing in the Constitution says that you may not be inconvenienced in your quest for your rights.
The ordinances of the town will be well known when houses, condos and apartments become available. If someone doesn't agree with the way the place is set up, no one will be forcing them to live there.
That's because the Nannies in the state govt. of MA have passed a law that REQUIRES that all pharmacies stock the emergency contraceptive.
Well, I sure hope that Mr. Tom Monoghan's "Karma" runs right over the ACLU's "dogma".
Karma running over dogma, get it?
I don't think the interview explained much.
Looking for more info, all I came across was this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11434439/site/newsweek/
Which still doesn't explain much about the legalities.
Is it privately-owned property that he's renting out, or is it set up like condominiums or a commune? If so, there shouldn't be a problem with it, should there?
Also, I remember hearing about a "town" Disney built in Florida that is entirely controlled by Disney.
If it is on privately bought land, it not the ACLU's business..
Amana, was a town started by a religious groupin Iowa. They had their name on appliances for years.
Of course the Mormons settled Utah and still have a great deal of influence there.
Ephrata Pennslyvania had a celibate community thatmade hand made manuscripts, I think the state runs it now as a museum.
Seems to me if a private person wants to set up a town with certain values, I have no problem with it.
Aren't CCR's accepted in real estate (Codes, covenants, restrictions) On building types allowed?
There is a street in Sacramento that has CCR's because everybody on the cul-d-sac puts up yard full of Christmas decorations and you have to agree to decorate your house if you buy on that street. Oh, good Lord. The ACLU needs to get over itself!
I want to establish a heterosexual, Catholic, vanilla town. Shoot me.
Doesn't the ACLU have some Amish communities to harrass?
I think that should probably read: In spite Because of Baldwin’s Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.
I guess the ACLU is going to sue the AMISH and Quakers for their communities
Here's the "town" Disney owned, Celebration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebration,_Florida
It's compared to another Florida town called Seaside.
Ping
I agree but I'm remembering somewhere that they (ACLU/Courts) have now made it impossible for a landlord to restrict occupancy based on sexual preference, nationality, etc. Won't they try the same thing with Ave Maria?
A_R
Will it become an Anglican town if the mayor wants to divorce?
I don't know about this.
How about a Shariah town?
Leave it to the ACLU to oppose freedom of association. If Catholics want to build a town for themselves, they're perfectly entitled and free to do so, IMHO. Same goes for anyone else. The key here is "building." If this were an existing town, with non-Catholic citizens already in residence, it would be a problem.
Vedic City banned the sale of all non-organic foods. They even have their own currency.
What is the difference between those who attack Mosques in Iraq and the ACLU who attack Christians here in America? The only difference I see is the bad guys in Iraq exhibit some manly characteristics.
The ACLU has little stake in harassing Mormon dominated small towns in rural Utah or Amish and Mennonite dominated towns in rural Pennsylvania, where social pressure, rather than law, is the main enforcer of community standards. They are not interested in a place like St. Mary's, Kansas, a community dominated by "rad-trad" Catholics. Little clusters of religious people in rural areas will be dealt with in due time. In the Soviet Union, not until well into Stalin's era, well over a decade after the Bolshevik victory in the Russian Civil War, were remote nomadic herdsmen socialized and Siberian shamanism repressed.
What Monaghan is apparently doing is challenging radical secularism imposed by the Federal courts with his Ave Maria community, not in some backwater, but in a favored resort destination. The ACLU, as a major architect of the de-Christianization of America, has a major stake in answering this challenge. Hopefully, the former pizza tycoon will have his community structured in such a way that it will be protected from lawsuits and other legal action.
CW2 ping
As a Pennsylvanian, I am acquainted with the Amish. There are no exclusive "Amish communities". Most Amish people own and live on farms in the rural areas in the Lancaster - Harrisburg area of PA. There are other areas in the U.S. where Amish people have settled, Ohio. e.g.
They are for the most part apolitical and do not call attention to themselves or assert power. To be sure, they are clannish and try to insulate themselves and their families from outside influences, but they don't force or expect others who live in the same areas to live the way they do.
I think this is different than the Catholic town idea.
Oh, boo hoo, aclu. It's called freedom of religion. Curious how they forget that. Unless they're lobbying for calls to prayer in Michigan or some such. I'm lol because this is hardly a new thing, it's only offensive to the aclu because it's Catholic. The town I live in is predominantly Catholic, about 85%, and it was once over 95%, founded several generations ago by a group of immigrants who wanted to create just such a Catholic community where they could live with civil and Catholic rules and traditions and no persecution from the outside.
There are already islamo-terrorist towns in the US and the UCLA, oops, meant ACLU, isn't opening their effing mouthes.
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