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Cops Scour Video Tapes for Clues in NYC Woman's Murder
Associated Press ^ | Wednesday, March 01, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/01/2006 10:56:18 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet

NEW YORK — Investigators seeking witnesses and suspects in the brutal slaying of a graduate honors student have been studying security videotape from the neighborhood where she spent her last night out with friends, police said Tuesday.

One tape shows the victim, Imette St. Guillen, talking to a female friend at about 3 a.m. Saturday outside Pioneer, a bar in the Bowery section of Manhattan. The two can be seen parting ways, with the friend leaving by cab, police said.

The friend later told police St. Guillen sounded fine when she checked on her by cell phone about 30 minutes later. The victim informed her friend she had moved on to another bar in the same neighborhood, police said.

New York Police Department officials said they had collected other video from security cameras in the area hoping they would offer more answers about St. Guillen's final hours. Investigators also were looking for clues at a Brooklyn diner where an unidentified man used a telephone to call 911 with an anonymous tip her body had been dumped on a desolate roadside.

Police discovered the body at about 8:30 p.m. Saturday in Brooklyn's East New York section. Someone had bound the 24-year-old victim's face, hands and feet with packaging tape before wrapping her in a flower-print bedspread; investigators believe she had been raped.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: brooklyn; crime; crooklyn; dointimeondawildside; guillen; imettestguillen; murder; ny; nyc; rape; serial; serialkiller; stguillen; wodlist
The killer/rapist is a victim of his circumstances. He is not responsible for any of his actions. Society failed him. He was not given a chance, or an opportunity. We are to blame. He will not be able to get a fair trial. He must be given cable tv, lift weights, and surf the internet for a future wife.
1 posted on 03/01/2006 10:56:21 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

This is a terrible story. I find it interesting though that the bedspread is much like one would find in a hotel/motel. I wonder if anyone in NYC recognizes what hotel or motel it came from (if it did)?

You just cannot be a woman and be alone at 3 a.m. in a bar. It is just never, ever going to be a safe thing to do. Predators look for women who do this (and I am in NO WAY blaming the victim.) Very sad story.


2 posted on 03/01/2006 11:01:18 AM PST by AUJenn
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

I always feel so badly for friend's and family's of these type of crimes - it's horrifying that the whole world knows the horrible way a loved one died. There's no reason we should all know this.


3 posted on 03/01/2006 11:03:23 AM PST by justche ("You can have peace this second - surrender!" ~ Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Don't forget the chateaubriand, he's gonna need LOTS of that!


4 posted on 03/01/2006 11:05:48 AM PST by RedRightReturn (Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
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To: AUJenn

Sure you can, buy a gun.


5 posted on 03/01/2006 11:06:35 AM PST by x5452
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

There is something about this story, that to me, doesn't quite ring completely true..accordng to reports in the NY papers, she had been clubbing/bar-hopping with her friend..in that I don't think we yet know the whole story.. and when they left the last bar, she declined her friend's offer to share a cab, saying she "wanted to walk." NO WAY..this is a smart, city savvy woman..a crimnal justice major..no way she decides to walk alne at that hour in a deserted neighborhood. And the description of the way the body was wrapped, and displayed/positioned, the anonymous phone call, her hair chopped off..this was not a random event...She knew her killer, indeed may have been going to meet him.


6 posted on 03/01/2006 11:10:30 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

There is something about this story, that to me, doesn't quite ring completely true

I don't think there is a subjective theory yet on who did it. It could have been someone familiar, or some random wackjob. And oh, you are right, young women never go hang out at bars at 3am, or later by themselves. never.


7 posted on 03/01/2006 11:16:41 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: ken5050

This is NOT a neighborhood for a woman to stroll alone at 3 am.

8 posted on 03/01/2006 11:19:16 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Where was Bill at the time?


9 posted on 03/01/2006 11:20:57 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: AUJenn
Unfortunately, common sense regarding safety and security begins to go out the window when alcohol is introduced into the scenario
10 posted on 03/01/2006 11:23:34 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

I heard an interesting theory on Fox this morning - that perhaps she ran across some shady characters while doing her grad work in forensics/law enforcemen,t and that they have been recently released from prison or mental institution.


11 posted on 03/01/2006 11:27:46 AM PST by AUJenn
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To: NativeNewYorker
Many neighborhoods are not suited for women and most men to be in at 4 AM. These are the hours that the ugly people come out, ugly because they rob you. During day light hours they hide as Cop will harrass... go Cops.

In Austin sexual assault and rape of men is known to individuals that work the rape crisis centers. In Brownsville the disappearance of Americans in general, but specifically women, is all too common.

I say take care of your business during the waking hours.

But hey, just as people won't choose their friends wisely neither will they let someone tell them they can't be out at 4 AM.

12 posted on 03/01/2006 11:28:50 AM PST by Idisarthur
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To: NativeNewYorker

"This is NOT a neighborhood for a woman to stroll alone at 3 am."

She's no doubt very "smart" what with being a graduate student, etc.

But I have heard that alcohol is a mind altering substance. And I have also heard that the first effect of drinking alcohol is loss of inhibition, distorted judgement, etc.

So I suppose it was possible that earlier, before drinking she might say she wouldn't walk around this neighborhood at 3:00 AM.

But she apparently did, after her mental abilities were changed.

It is even possible the person/people that raped and murdered her were drinking or drugging.

Lesson. She was obviously innocent. And the killer is evil.

Leave out the alcohol and she has a taxi ride home, perhaps a hangover.

Add alcohol. She is brutally murdered.


13 posted on 03/01/2006 11:34:23 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: paul51
Sometimes it doesn't take alcohol. I've had friends, that happen to be female, tell me that at different times in their lives they put themselves in compromising situations.

One gal wondered why this guy, an acquaintance, made an advance at 3 am... after all, she had only gone to his house in pajamas.

14 posted on 03/01/2006 11:35:32 AM PST by Idisarthur
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To: ken5050
..and when they left the last bar, she declined her friend's offer to share a cab, saying she "wanted to walk." NO WAY..this is a smart, city savvy woman..a crimnal justice major..no way she decides to walk alne at that hour in a deserted neighborhood. 

I don't agree with any of this.  There isn't any evidence she was a smart, city savvy woman in these news stories.  She is from Boston, did well in college and graduate school, and was studying criminal justice at John Jay.

None of that spells 'smart, city savvy woman' in my book.  I hailed from downtown nyc for 33+ years, actually not that far from where she was last seen, and I know many women (otherwise smart women) who have very little grasp of spots that present physical danger.

It's an unintended side-effect of Rudy cleaning up the city.  People think they are safer than they are.  Don't underestimate a young woman's belief that nothing will happen to her, even at 3am, even in the Bowery.

What you say may be true, but there's no evidence that she was all that street smart in the news accounts.  Actually, her last decision to take a stroll to another tavern at 3am on Bowery suggests to me she wasn't all that street smart at all.

15 posted on 03/01/2006 11:38:06 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: ken5050
I lived in New York City in the 80's. I was in my 20', single and it was my first time out of my families house. I went crazy with the freedom. I went out most nights and did the bar scene. I had a blast but now when I look back on it I could easily been this girl. I remember one time I left my friends in the upper upper west side(I was quite tipsy)and went walking the neighborhood for another bar I had heard about. I found myself walking on the outskirts of Harlem. A taxi cab driver stopped and asked if I needed a ride, I got in and the next thing I remember I was at my apartment. Young people do stupid things. Sometimes you are lucky to not have to pay for your mistakes.
16 posted on 03/01/2006 11:38:49 AM PST by Republican Red ("Would this be a bigger story if he had been killed?")
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To: truth_seeker
I agree she was not smart at all. I've seen it happen before... a gal is studying and she realizes one day that she is 25. She notices also that she goes everywhere alone and she doesn't like it.

So, she gets the bright idea to find someone, anyone will do. She goes out to meet people.

Some of these gals are really strange, weird and lonely. If they were not then they'd have many friends surrounding them and helping guide their path.

I've been to grad school and have seen these types throughout both my undergrad and grad years.

17 posted on 03/01/2006 11:42:20 AM PST by Idisarthur
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To: Republican Red

Double R,

Exactly. Check my post right before yours. Doing well in school and being a criminal justice major doesn't make her all that street smart. I know many women (well into their 30s) in nyc who don't think twice about situations like this.

It's dangerous out there. You can't be fearful, but you can be smart.

She wasn't.


18 posted on 03/01/2006 11:42:52 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: justche

The reason for publicizing this is a reminder that young women ought not be out alone. Stay with your group, leave with your group. Just one more bar, just one more drink when you are alone lets the predator have a chance at you.


19 posted on 03/01/2006 11:47:26 AM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: OldFriend

My girlfriend in Germany was a very shrewd girl.
One evening, her friend left our group to go have a drink with a guy she'd just met. My girlfriend walked up to the guy and DEMANDED his ID. The guy presented her with his drivers license. She kept it until her friend returned safely.


20 posted on 03/01/2006 11:54:20 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Idisarthur

True. Sometimes common sense takes leave without the alcohol being involved.


21 posted on 03/01/2006 12:19:27 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

this one is right out of "looking for mr goodbar".


22 posted on 03/01/2006 12:27:26 PM PST by oceanview
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To: AUJenn

I know.

Prayers for her family.

:-(


23 posted on 03/01/2006 4:13:56 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume (The evil eye can wither, the heart's blessing can heal and that love can overcome all odds. -Emerson)
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To: AUJenn

BTW, is AU short for Auburn University?


24 posted on 03/01/2006 4:15:27 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume (The evil eye can wither, the heart's blessing can heal and that love can overcome all odds. -Emerson)
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To: justche

It might just bring someone forward who saw her. It happens all the time.


25 posted on 03/01/2006 4:16:54 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

This is probably not his first murder according to the profilers.


Probably a Mommy's boy.


26 posted on 03/01/2006 4:17:55 PM PST by WestCoastGal (If you believe you can't win, you have lost before the race has begun."-Dale Jr)
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To: Emmet Fitzhume

Yes, it is!


27 posted on 03/01/2006 4:20:23 PM PST by AUJenn
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To: ken5050

I think I also heard today that she was found about 6 miles from where she was last seen by her friend when they left the Pioneer bar.

As I posted above, there was a profiler on Fox today that said this could be a serial killer.

Many, many women are killed by boyfriends or husbands but usually not in this way. The taping and disfiguring of her body is part of a very sick minds fantasy.


28 posted on 03/01/2006 4:22:47 PM PST by WestCoastGal (If you believe you can't win, you have lost before the race has begun."-Dale Jr)
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To: ken5050
She knew her killer, indeed may have been going to meet him.

I agree. Not to use the good old "serial killer" line when we only have one dead woman, but I thought that serial killers almost always start with someone they know well. But then again, I probably took that from "Silence of the Lambs". But still, it seems likely that she knew the killer.

29 posted on 03/01/2006 4:25:32 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: oceanview

Looking for Mr. Goodbar was the first thing I thought of.
Poor girl. Her friend will never forgive herself for leaving her alone.


30 posted on 03/01/2006 4:29:22 PM PST by babaloo
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Horrible story, hard to believe this guy didn't know her?

Unbelievable cruelty, like some sh*t from the Balkans or Rwanda.

31 posted on 03/02/2006 6:16:52 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Story was national news this AM.


32 posted on 03/02/2006 6:17:41 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Kaylee Frye; ken5050
Hey, this happened in Baltimore recently. A girl went out with a guy she met on the internet.

I think it turned out that he killed her after an argument.

She was found on the shoulder of a road or on ramp to a highway. The guy was captured.

It just seems to me that this girl was the Craiglist.com type or the MySpace type that looks for random hook ups.

33 posted on 03/02/2006 10:05:07 AM PST by Idisarthur
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To: Kaylee Frye; ken5050
Just realized something.

That means that Serial Killer would now have an MO that involves internet hook ups.

Scary.

34 posted on 03/02/2006 10:06:45 AM PST by Idisarthur
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To: Idisarthur

Very scary. I agree. Women should always be very careful about those sorts of things. Thank goodness I don't have to deal with the dating scene anymore!


35 posted on 03/02/2006 11:03:55 AM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: Kaylee Frye; Idisarthur
FYI..today's NY Post reports she left the bar with her friend, then walked a few blocks to another bar..at about 4AM..she sat there alone..spoke to no one..had 2 rum and cokes in 30 minutes..her friend called her to see if she was OK..a little while after..she took a piece of paper out of her pocket, looked at it, then left..4:30am ..give or take..

she's 5 feet, 95 lbs..said to have had a total of 7-8 drinks ..rum and cokes..in a 6 hour period..her friend said that 2 would give her a buzz..

I wonder if the last bar/bartender is gonna have trouble for serving her..

36 posted on 03/02/2006 11:44:04 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
Interesting details.... The piece of paper could have been meaningless or it could have held the contact information of the killer.

If the second scenario is correct then she had, at a minimal, the cell phone number and name/alias of the killer that she was in touch with via some random meeting on the street, a newspaper personal ad, a internet site or NYC Craigslist.com.

If those details are correct then I'm sure she was sitting in the bar contemplating whether or not to be in touch with this person at 4 AM, as was probably planned in advance.

37 posted on 03/02/2006 12:02:28 PM PST by Idisarthur
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