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Family Fights To Take Toddler Home
Kake News Wichita Kansas ^ | Feb. 28, 2006 | Kake news Reporter Chris Frank

Posted on 03/01/2006 7:03:01 PM PST by KSApplePie_two

Family Fights To Take Toddler Home Chris Frank

Life Or Death Battle

Feb. 28-A life or death decision could be hanging in the balance for a child.

Little Brett Shively Junior was rushed to the hospital after a terrible accident where he nearly drowned in a bathtub.

Now his family is fighting to bring the little boy home.

A hearing is scheduled Wednesday in District Court to decide whether or not a Wichita hospital can remove the ventilator keeping the two year old boy alive.

Brett's family says, "We just believe that we're the best people to decide his care."

His family is pitted against Wesley Medical Center over what's best for his care.

The boy, who just turned two, hasn't awakened from a coma since a near drowning accident more than three weeks ago.

Shively Family Attorney Dana Milby says, "We have a family who's in complete agreement on how to best care for this child, and we have a hospital fighting to enforce it's own opinion on what it thinks is the best thing for this child."

A temporary restraining order keeps Wesley from pulling the plug on the boy's life supporting ventilator.

A judge will decide if that order should continue.

The Shively's attorney says "This is despite the fact that this is blatantly against the parents wishes. And that the parents have a doctor who has agreed to provide followup care. They have a home health agency in place ready to provide care for Brett Jr. at home. "

They say there's no reason the boy can't go home and be cared for.

Brett Jr.'s Grandmother Glenda Shively says, "They have predetermined that he can not recover even though we have been sent documented cases of people that have had the same diagnosis and have months down the road recovered. And that's why we're asking them to allow him to go home for us to care for him until that has time to take place."

She says the hospital is assisting Brett's life by providing oxygen and nutrition and says his organs are functioning and undamaged.

But they say Wesley wants to declare Brett Junior brain dead and remove life support.

Wesley Medical Center issued a statement saying, ""We understand this tragic accident has left the Shively family distraught. We're sorry they have chosen to take this case to a hearing. But we're sympathetic to their needs during this very difficult time."

The judge could rule at Wednesday's hearing.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: braindamage; coma; constitutional; euthanasia; faith; healing; hospitalauthority; junior; juniorshively; lifesupport; parentalrights; prolife; shively; terrishiavo
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We know this family. They are strong Christians who believe in the healing power of God. This situation feels somewhat similar to what Terri Shiavo's family went through. Please pray for them. We caught the tail end of the news at 6pm and I'm pretty sure the Judge temporarily ruled in favor of the the Shively family. Will watch the news at 10pm and give an update if there is any more news.

Here is a link to a video feed.

http://media.mgbg.com/kwch/html/real_popup.html...

1 posted on 03/01/2006 7:03:05 PM PST by KSApplePie_two
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To: KSApplePie_two

Prayer lifted up.


2 posted on 03/01/2006 7:07:17 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: KSApplePie_two
May a loving God keep this child in his care and comfort and strengthen the family for whatever they will have to face in the days ahead. If it is God's will for this child to recover, let it be ... but, let God's will be done.

Please update us on this heartbreaking situation when you can.

3 posted on 03/01/2006 7:08:59 PM PST by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: KSApplePie_two

I pray for them. What a tragic situation.
susie


4 posted on 03/01/2006 7:13:11 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: KSApplePie_two; 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; BykrBayb

Prayers for the Shivelys. This is just not right...as usual : (

What I want to know is why it is so wrong to allow the family to care for this little guy. After all, it would be cost effective. Isn't that what they want? Cost cutting measures? /sarc


5 posted on 03/01/2006 7:17:43 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I don't understand...if he's being kept alive on a ventilator, won't he die if they take him home? Am I missing something?


6 posted on 03/01/2006 7:22:23 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Hildy

I assume you could have a vent at home, can you not?
susie


7 posted on 03/01/2006 7:24:31 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: KSApplePie_two

Okay, let me see if I've got this. The family has in place a plan and means to care for their child at home. They have a competent medical doctor who will provided follow-up care at home. If I am reading this wrong, please someone correct me. (Like I would have to ask for that on FreeRepublic)

How can the hospital have any say in this matter?

Is the hospital going to foot the bill? Why do they even care if the family takes the child home? Are they afraid he will die at home instead of at the hospital?

I am not trying to be rhetorical. Does anyone know the answers to these questions? Basically, what is the hospital's side in this story?


8 posted on 03/01/2006 7:25:14 PM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: KSApplePie_two

i dont understand why a hospital wants to take
a patient off a ventilator but wont allow that
patient to go home to be cared for by family.

my thoughts are for all of them in this tough time.


9 posted on 03/01/2006 7:27:35 PM PST by leda (Dream a better dream and work to make it reality!)
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To: KSApplePie_two

I heard about this case a few weeks ago, and it is very sad. I continue to offer up my prayers for Brett and his family.


10 posted on 03/01/2006 7:47:04 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: KSApplePie_two

This story doesn't make any sense. The kid's in a coma, on life support, and the family wants to take him home? wtf?


11 posted on 03/01/2006 7:51:04 PM PST by Sandy
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To: dpa5923

Here is another local tv station's story with a very good video link. Watch the video. Its will answer alot of your questions.


http://kwch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=KWCH%2FMGArticle%2FWCH_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137834425070&path=%21news%21local&path=!news!local


12 posted on 03/01/2006 7:51:13 PM PST by KSApplePie_two
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To: dpa5923

Here's a link to an earlier thread about Brett.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576396/posts


13 posted on 03/01/2006 7:51:22 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: KSApplePie_two
we're asking them to allow him to go home for us to care for him

Why does the family need *permission* to take the kid home?

14 posted on 03/01/2006 7:56:27 PM PST by Sandy
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To: KSApplePie_two

Very good video. I see no reason why the hospital should be allowed to move forward with this since the parents already have been trained in his care, and have insurance in place. Why the rush to take him off of life support?


15 posted on 03/01/2006 8:04:21 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cgk; Mr. Silverback; Lesforlife; cpforlife.org; topher

Pro-life ping!


16 posted on 03/01/2006 8:08:29 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: kathsua; TheSarce

Thought you might be interested.


17 posted on 03/01/2006 8:16:30 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: KSApplePie_two

Praying for the little guy and his family.


18 posted on 03/01/2006 8:18:44 PM PST by Dustbunny (Life is the sum total of the choices we make in life.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

here is a link to his web site.

http://web.mac.com/brettjr/iWeb/Pray%20for%20Brett%20Jr/Welcome.html


19 posted on 03/01/2006 8:38:12 PM PST by KSApplePie_two
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To: KSApplePie_two

Prayers sent.


20 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:29 PM PST by jamaly (I evacuate early and often!)
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To: KSApplePie_two; 4lifeandliberty; AbsoluteGrace; afraidfortherepublic; Alamo-Girl; ...

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

21 posted on 03/01/2006 8:42:42 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: KSApplePie_two

I will be praying for them. What a thing to have to face.


22 posted on 03/01/2006 9:06:28 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: Hildy

My FIL has a ventilator at home, that he uses when he sleeps. He has another type of oxygen tank that he uses periodically when he's awake. The one he uses when he's sleeping actually forces his lungs to function. When he uses the other tank, he has to be breathing on his own.


23 posted on 03/01/2006 9:28:09 PM PST by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: BykrBayb

There's something missing from this story then. It doesn't make sense. Unless it's an insurance issue. Which would be horrible. I just can't see how the hospital can be the final decision maker in something like this. Hey...we got through an interaction without fighting, yay!!!!


24 posted on 03/01/2006 9:31:35 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Hildy

I wonder how long we can keep it up.

I also wonder if the hospital believes (rightly or wrongly) that he's literally dead, and his family believes (rightly or wrongly) that he's alive. I don't see how his organs could function if he's dead. Maybe the hospital has a different definition of death than the rest of us have. Maybe they believe that if certain area(s) of the brain aren't functioning, even though other area(s) are functioning, the patient is dead. If, in their opinion, he's dead, they would consider it abusive to keep his body functioning.


25 posted on 03/01/2006 9:36:10 PM PST by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: BykrBayb

And they hospital probably want to harvest his organs too, since apparently they're in good shape. This kid drowned in the bathtub? There's alot of guilt going on in this family too, I would imagine. Just a very sad story.


26 posted on 03/01/2006 9:38:19 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: KSApplePie_two; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ..


27 posted on 03/01/2006 9:41:33 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Hildy

The organs might be a motivating factor, but it's hard to say at this point. I'm guessing that the hospital has a eugenics view of life and death, and they firmly believe anyone as severely brain damaged as this is actually dead, or better off dead.


28 posted on 03/01/2006 9:43:39 PM PST by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: leda

i dont understand why a hospital wants to take
a patient off a ventilator but wont allow that
patient to go home to be cared for by family.

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You can bet they want his organs for transplant.


29 posted on 03/02/2006 2:27:27 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: Marine_Uncle
"But we're sympathetic to their needs during this very difficult time."

"But we're going to do everything in our power to kill your kid anyway. Then we will continue to be sympathetic."

Some days I just want to slap the crap out of people...

L

30 posted on 03/02/2006 2:31:39 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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Well, it's only been three weeks. The article states that the family has in home health care set up, and it is certainly possible to care for someone on a ventilator at home. He would just have to come home by ambulance.

I say give the baby some time befor removing the ventilator. Imo, three weeks is too soon.


31 posted on 03/02/2006 2:33:23 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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You can bet they want his organs for transplant.

This is something that I didn't think about. Well now I'm thinking about whose life is worth more? Yes, if organs are available, it is a blessing to give someone a chance at life. However, how do you choose whose life is worth more in a situation like this?

Brett's parents need real counseling at this point. The courts should keep their noses out of it. Brett should be given a chance to regain his ability to breathe on his own. His parents should realize that it possibly won't happen. This is where solid emotional support and counseling comes in. The courts should not be involved, and I don't know why they are, unless the hospital wants to harvest the child's organs, and the parents won't allow it.

32 posted on 03/02/2006 3:51:49 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

It is not permitted to take the organs without the family's consent. A desire to collect the organs cannot be a motive for the hospital - it's pretty obvious there's no way this familly is giving permission.

Mrs VS


33 posted on 03/02/2006 4:57:34 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: SUSSA
You can bet they want his organs for transplant.

oh what a horrid thought! i pray this is not the case.
34 posted on 03/02/2006 4:57:57 AM PST by leda (Dream a better dream and work to make it reality!)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

I've assumed that it is not permitted to take organs without the family's consent. That was then, and this is now. The courts are involved. Families no longer have rights under the current system.


35 posted on 03/02/2006 5:13:51 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

You can't take organs without the family's consent. This hasn't changed.


36 posted on 03/02/2006 8:45:31 AM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: Lurker
" Some days I just want to slap the crap out of people..."
Life truely has it's moments. Let us hope the many prayers shall find a roger that from HE Who could can do.
37 posted on 03/02/2006 10:19:01 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

If the baby has a strong heart, did you think about harvesting. Baby hearts are hard to come by.


38 posted on 03/02/2006 10:19:01 AM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: BykrBayb

The only thing to do is to check out the hospital and see what kind of organ harvesting program or system they have set up - do they link to a larger network? I think the hospital's after the little boy's heart.


39 posted on 03/02/2006 10:21:15 AM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: Chesterbelloc

Have you read about corpses being violated in mortuaries? The thieves are after bones. Do a search here, articles have been posted. Patients have gotten deathly ill from these products.

Not only is this illegal, and of course disgusting, it is also very lucrative. Now can you imagine the amount of money that relatively perfect organs can fetch?

Now, my concern is why the hospital took the parents to court to force disconnection of the ventilator, AND the feeding tubes, IV's. If the parents have a plan in place, why should the hospital care whether the patient is moved from their facility???? This is why some have mentioned organ harvesting. Can you come up with another reason why a medical facility would go to court to force a 2 yr old to die?


40 posted on 03/02/2006 10:44:50 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Chesterbelloc
You can't take organs without the family's consent. This hasn't changed.

Facts don't matter to some folks.

41 posted on 03/02/2006 11:03:26 AM PST by steelcurtain
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To: BykrBayb

this is so sad. As much as I believe that is a likely this child will not recover I still think the parents have rights to take the child home and care for him as they see fit!


42 posted on 03/02/2006 11:46:05 AM PST by Halls (Dallas County, Texas, but my heart is in East Texas!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I'm just speculating, but I think what's going on here is pride and maybe a little bit of CYA by the hospital. I'm thinking that the doctors usually just tell parents that their little one didn't make it and the parents typically allow them to remove life support. This family is different, and bucked the doctor's opinion. They didn't accept the medical opinion that the baby was gone. One of the doctors early on said something about not wanting to do any more for the baby, that he had the needs of the living to attend to, and the parents got offended. The hospital got the doctor to apologize for his remarks, but now there is this suspicion that something could have been done, but the doctor didn't try. That's what I mean about CYA. I think this is a precursor to, "well it's not our fault, we couldn't help the baby." Therefore, they press the court to let them remove the life support.

I think it should be within the parents' rights to allow the baby to come home with them and give it a try. There's a reason for getting second and third opinions. Someone may have a treatment that the parents would like to try. It should be given a chance to work. There is too fast a rush by the hospital to label this as futile care. It's only been a few weeks.


43 posted on 03/02/2006 1:29:39 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: KSApplePie_two

Why are they always in such a hurry? The boy is so young, and can heal. They don't even want to give him a chance.

Prayers for all.


44 posted on 03/02/2006 7:14:47 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: brytlea

I assume you could have a vent at home, can you not?



Yes, you sure can. Home health agencies have coordinated that type of care for years. All the power to that family. If it was our family we would do the same. The child and the family will thrive much better at home than in a potentially hostile and controlling atmosphere.


45 posted on 03/02/2006 7:24:49 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: KSApplePie_two

Have them contact POND - Parents Of Near Drowning, they might be able to help.


46 posted on 03/02/2006 7:27:17 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I've been through the whole transplant system with my own 4 month old. For children there is a PELD scoring system used to decide who gets organs and then the surgeons will fly-in from the different transplant hospitals to get whichever organs have been donated to them.

UNOS manages the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network. Their website http://www.unos.org has a lot of information on how the transplant system in this country works. They also have databases on how each transplant center does which was really useful when dealing with my own little guys problems: http://www.topm.com/aidan

Something is going on here, but its not about getting the poor little guy's organs without his parents permission.

Prayers for the him and his family. I can't imagine anything tougher for a parent than to have their own children suffering.


47 posted on 03/02/2006 10:32:45 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: Chesterbelloc

How is your baby doing? I've read up on the transplant procedures off and on, and it is a miracle what humans have accomplished, under the Lord's guidance. I'm blessed that the only thing that my kids got was the "ornery" gene, and I cannot imagine what you and other parents are going through.

We're just trying to figure out what the heck is going on with this particular situation.


48 posted on 03/03/2006 3:34:32 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Pride goeth before a fall. CYA is active in Haleigh's story, and probably Brett's as well. For the life of me, I just don't understand why the hospital took this to court. Your explanation is as good as any.

FWIW, the medical profession has been so subverted by HMO's and government interference, that doctors and nurses can come off cold and uncaring. They don't answer to their oath, but to their employer's bottom line. I don't think the doctor who made that unfortunate statement did it to hurt the parents, he just unconsciously stated what the new mission statement is.

It's only been a few weeks. Babies have been known to recuperate from these kinds of accidents. Let's keep Brett in our prayers.


49 posted on 03/03/2006 4:02:04 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: KSApplePie_two

Is there any new news on Brett?


50 posted on 03/03/2006 6:46:54 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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