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Bush Ushers India Into Nuclear Club
ap news ^ | Mar 2, 4:23 PM (ET) | TERENCE HUNT

Posted on 03/02/2006 3:07:08 PM PST by flixxx

NEW DELHI (AP) - Reversing decades of U.S. policy, President Bush ushered India into the world's exclusive nuclear club Thursday with a landmark agreement to share nuclear reactors, fuel and expertise with this energy-starved nation in return for its acceptance of international safeguards.

Eight months in the making, the accord would end India's long isolation as a nuclear maverick that defied world appeals and developed nuclear weapons. India agreed to separate its tightly entwined nuclear industry - declaring 14 reactors as commercial facilities and eight as military - and to open the civilian side to international inspections for the first time.

The agreement must be approved by Congress, and Bush acknowledged that might be difficult because India still refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; china; energy; india; indianukes; indiavisit; iran; wfriendofindia
The Dems are angry...no news there...
1 posted on 03/02/2006 3:07:09 PM PST by flixxx
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To: flixxx

Do they have jackets?


2 posted on 03/02/2006 3:07:35 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: flixxx

Hopefully not a warm-up for Iran.


3 posted on 03/02/2006 3:11:10 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: flixxx

Ed Markey?

This guy, ashamedly, is my Rep. and any time he speaks out against something, it simply validates what a good idea it is.

He is an unabashed liberal who is owned by the most corrupt unions in the country.


4 posted on 03/02/2006 3:18:53 PM PST by Bluestateredman
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To: flixxx

Abandon nuclear weapons, China tells India

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1588632/posts


5 posted on 03/02/2006 3:19:17 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: flixxx

Interesting timing. I believe that strengthening Democratic India's nuclear capability is important, being neighbors to China and Pakistan, but how can you technically argue against Iran if India isn't willing to sign onto non-proliferation itself? This almost appears to be an admission of Iranian capability, and lowering the importance of non-proliferation treaties, neither of which are good.


6 posted on 03/02/2006 3:25:08 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: flixxx

I liked what the President had to say about this deal today. He said that the more Nuclear reactors in India, the more fossil fuels available to Americans.

We can't build any new Nukes here, so let's outsource them to India! Brilliant!


7 posted on 03/02/2006 3:27:50 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: flixxx
"Bush Ushers India Into Nuclear Club"

This headline was written by the typical MSM imbecile - we can't 'usher' India into any nuclear club when they made their own way into the group of nuclear nations many years ago. Unlike Iran, N. Korea, or various other nitwit nations, India is not a threat to provide nukes to terrorists and not a threat to ever use them against us. THAT is the fundamental difference that all the chicken littles like Ed Markey cannot seem to grasp....
8 posted on 03/02/2006 3:32:02 PM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: Golden Eagle
how can you technically argue against Iran if India isn't willing to sign onto non-proliferation itself

India's already got it, and hasn't used it. Just like Israel. Neither nation sponsors terrorism. There's a world of difference to Iran.
9 posted on 03/02/2006 3:32:47 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: kenavi; Golden Eagle
How can you technically argue against Iran if India isn't willing to sign onto non-proliferation itself?

Besides, Iran has signed the NPT. IT is treaty-bound to not develop nukes. The treaty was signed by Iran itself.

India is not. India objected to the NPT right from day one, because it limits the number of nuclear powers to the five UN SC permanent members, China included.

10 posted on 03/02/2006 3:36:12 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Yo-Yo
"We can't build any new Nukes here"

WHy can't we build new nukes here ?

11 posted on 03/02/2006 3:37:19 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Yo-Yo
We can't build any new Nukes here

Construction of three new ones has begun in the past two months.

12 posted on 03/02/2006 3:40:45 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Yo-Yo
We can't build any new Nukes here, so let's outsource them to India! Brilliant!

It is ingenious!!

13 posted on 03/02/2006 3:41:05 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: CarrotAndStick
Abandon nuclear weapons, China tells India

"P!$$ off!" India tells China (or should, at any rate).

14 posted on 03/02/2006 3:42:12 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Cyclopean Squid

I really do not see that there is a direct relation between Iran and India. Vastly different societies and interaction with world affairs.

I think the President's stance makes complete sense and he has defended his position well.


15 posted on 03/02/2006 3:49:53 PM PST by flixxx
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To: flixxx

I think India ushered itself into the Nuclear club.


16 posted on 03/02/2006 3:50:33 PM PST by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: Euro-American Scum

India should say,

"In the matter of nuclear arms, we shall be more than pleased to follow your example China. If you wish us to disarm, lead the way."


17 posted on 03/02/2006 3:52:51 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: flixxx

Well, it's a fait accompli anyway. I'm glad that so far India and Pakistan have managed to not to blow up the subcontinent.

All I'm saying with regard to Iran is, hopefully the President won't be welcoming them into the Club too.


18 posted on 03/02/2006 3:53:02 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: kenavi

Sure, but India being awarded for bucking the system just as Iran is proposing to do now. And why isn't India willing to sign the treaty, if they have no plans to proliferate? That should be a minimum requirement for our assistance.

India and Bush could have won the day by using this opportunity to set an example, and having India sign the non proliferation treaty, and apologize for not signing it sooner. But this just puts our whole formal policy process in question, surprise anouncements like this that contradict our public policy.


19 posted on 03/02/2006 3:56:42 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: flixxx
NEW DELHI (AP) - Reversing decades of U.S. policy, President Bush ushered India into the world's exclusive nuclear club Thursday with a landmark agreement to share nuclear reactors, fuel and expertise with this energy-starved nation in return for its acceptance of international safeguards.

This is great news!

20 posted on 03/02/2006 3:57:01 PM PST by humint
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To: flixxx

Good news today between this pact with India and the passage of the Patriot Act.


21 posted on 03/02/2006 3:57:03 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Rush on the MSM: drive-by shooters)
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To: dfwgator

They have jackets, but no flag. :-)


22 posted on 03/02/2006 3:57:52 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: Golden Eagle
…this just puts our whole formal policy process in question,

Loosen your tie and take a gander at the bigger picture.

23 posted on 03/02/2006 3:59:15 PM PST by humint
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To: Golden Eagle

They've agreed to full IAEA inspections of their nuclear power facilities. The head of the IAEA thinks this is a major step forward. India already has the bomb, has had for quite awile and they've been responsible with it.


24 posted on 03/02/2006 4:02:14 PM PST by McGavin999 (I suggest the UAE form a Joint Venture Partnership with Halliburton & Wal-Mart)
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To: RightWhale
Really? Which three and where? According to the Department of Energy:

Introduction: As of October 31, 2005, there are 104 commercial nuclear generating units that are fully licensed by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to operate in the United States. Of these 104 reactors, 69 are categorized a pressurized water reactors (PWRs) totaling 65,100 net megawatts (electric) and 35 units are boiling water reactors (BWR) totaling 32,300 net megawatts (electric). Although the United States has the most nuclear capacity of any nation, no new commercial reactor has come on line since May 1996. The current Administration has been supportive of nuclear expansion, emphasizing its importance in maintaining a diverse energy supply. As of October 31, 2005, however, no U.S. nuclear company has yet applied for a new construction permit.

The last reactor to come on line in the United States was the Watt’s Bar reactor in Tennessee, owned and operated by the Tennessee Valley Authority. It began commercial service in May 1996. Nevertheless, US commercial nuclear capacity has increased in recent years through a combination of license extensions and uprating (upgrading) of existing reactors


25 posted on 03/02/2006 4:11:19 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: humint

Of all the mainland nations of Asia, there's none I'd rather see increasing their nuclear capability than India. However, I don't generally like the news of spreading nukes, especially in that part of the world. While this may be an overall good move for that region, it seriously weakens any traction Bush has for blocking Iran's access to nuclear technology, and seems to be an admission the deal between Russia and Iran is complete and expected to be effective.


26 posted on 03/02/2006 4:14:48 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
India and iran, with their kooky dangerous mullahs, are apples and oranges.

India has agreed to sign and let the IAEA inspect their civilian nuke facilities, just not their military nuke facilities. Good news!

27 posted on 03/02/2006 4:18:30 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: McGavin999
They've agreed to full IAEA inspections of their nuclear power facilities.

Great, I would have just preferred to see the process more formalized considering the recent sensitivity of the subject. Bush should have set the bar, and then allowed India to exceed it, but this just further blurs the lines of acceptability, which is the goal of the proliferators. Tens of thousands protested Bush in the streets today, let's hope none of them get their hands on our technology.

28 posted on 03/02/2006 4:24:41 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: CarrotAndStick; indcons; Gengis Khan

ping!


29 posted on 03/02/2006 4:32:41 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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To: Hill of Tara

Thakns for the ping....appreciate it.

BTW, did you see the thread about David Gregory's seriously-high performance on the Imus show his morning? I can send you a link if you missed it. Quite funny (and pathetic considering the perp).


30 posted on 03/02/2006 4:59:04 PM PST by indcons (The MSM - Mainstream Slime Merchants)
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To: indcons

"Thakns for the ping....appreciate it."


sure, anytime :)



"BTW, did you see the thread about David Gregory's seriously-high performance on the Imus show his morning? I can send you a link if you missed it. Quite funny (and pathetic considering the perp)."

no, I didnt see it, what happened?


31 posted on 03/02/2006 5:10:04 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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To: Yo-Yo

Duke has one and there are two others more recent someplace else. The DOE report is not up to date.


32 posted on 03/02/2006 5:14:54 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: flixxx

Nuclear Weapon - don't leave your country without one.


33 posted on 03/02/2006 5:17:35 PM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: Hill of Tara

Here's one: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1588447/posts

This one here has the video: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1588681/posts

Chck out the video; I think the guy was high on some really good north indian hashish.


34 posted on 03/02/2006 5:24:31 PM PST by indcons (The MSM - Mainstream Slime Merchants)
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To: indcons

I believe it was high octane, not necessarily high performance...


35 posted on 03/02/2006 5:41:46 PM PST by gogeo
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To: Golden Eagle
India and Bush could have won the day by using this opportunity to set an example, and having India sign the non proliferation treaty

The Non-Proliferation Treaty would prohibit India itself from having nuclear arms, wouldn't it, so it would be an outright lie. Just like Iran signing it but fully intending (under the mullahs) to develop nuclear weapons, to project its influence abroad.
36 posted on 03/02/2006 6:35:24 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: kenavi
The treaty needs to be updated or dissolved, it practically has no use when members of it are all openly and separately helping others obtain or expand nuclear capability.
37 posted on 03/02/2006 7:17:30 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: indcons

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.


"I think the guy was high on some really good north indian hashish."

LOL :)


38 posted on 03/02/2006 8:03:42 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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To: Golden Eagle
The treaty needs to be updated or dissolved, it practically has no use when members of it are all openly and separately helping others obtain or expand nuclear capability.

Treaties work only when they reflect the parties' separate interests or the balance of power. Why have treaties at all? The parties get something from each other that they wouldn't have in the absence of the treaty. An example (of a bilateral, or 2-way treaty) would be: Iran does not pursue development that can lead to nuclear arms, and U.S. provides Iran X; what U.S. gets from Iran is U.S. doesn't have to go to war to stop Iran from having nuclear arms.
39 posted on 03/03/2006 7:28:48 AM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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