Nipple Pincher Gets Juvenile Detention

Associated Press ^ | March 2, 2006 | Associated Press

[twippo]

GOLD HILL, Ore. - A teen who pinched and twisted another boy's nipple while standing in line at a deli has been sentenced to four days in juvenile detention because he refused to write a letter that explained his actions.

David Thumler, 16, was convicted of offensive physical touching in July 2005, after the victim's parents complained to police. The Crater High School student paid a $67 fine and served three days of community service.

"I emptied trash cans, mowed lawns and shoveled gravel," Thumler said.

But Thumler's refusal to comply with the final piece of his sentence will cost him four days in detention. He was required to write the letter during four classes put on by Mediation Works, which operates the victim-offender program for Jackson County Community Justice. Mary Miller, executive director of Mediation Works, said the purpose of the letter is to prepare teens to be accountable for their offenses.

"They don't have to apologize," she said. "But they are required to be accountable."

The offender is required to describe the act in detail, explain "thinking errors," "express empathy" and describe any resultant life changes.

Miller said the program is "often a very, very healing experience between the victim and youth offender." Thumler said he presented a rough draft of his letter in the third session. He said he balked when told he must also describe his "criminal thought processes." He said that would imply malicious or criminal intent, and "none of that applied to my feelings or actions." Thumler said he had no criminal intent because he considered the victim to be a friend at the time of the incident _ which he deemed horseplay. Including the language sought by Mediation Works, he said, would turn his prior court statements into lies.

"It was a matter of conscience," Thumler said. "I figure the worst is already over."

Ken Chapman, a Community Justice juvenile probation supervisor, verified Thumler's sentence.

"The judge found a willful violation of the court order," Chapman said.

[RichInOC]

I'm a law and order guy and all, but turning a titty-twister into a criminal case in the first place is "just damn" material, as far as I'm concerned.

[ndt]

If I only had a nickel for every time my nipple got twisted.

[ncountylee]

explain "thinking errors,"

Hey Judge...I'm a boy horsing around. OK?

[ozoneliar]

Its called assault; thats our legal system.

[Mr. Mojo]

.....after the victim's parents complained to police.

Victicrats.

[JRandomFreeper]

Or a noogie. My brother was the worst offender. Heck, I'm 44, and he STILL grabs me in a neck lock and scrubs the top of my head with his knuckles.

That's ok. When he's 80, I'll be 70, and then I'll try to remember to give paybacks.

Even if I have to go to lock-up for it.

This is just DUMB!

/johnny

[beaver fever]

Hey the only time I got my nipple twisted was by a girl.

But that's another story.

[Conservative Firster]

[Washi]

Oh yeah. Juvie is going to go well for this kid:

Bad A$$: What are you in for, kid?
Kid: Uh....failure to appologize for a purple nurple.

[JRandomFreeper]

The little guy got away with it. You try it. I'll hold your beer. LOL!

She looks sorta tough. Cute, but tough.

/johnny

[Washi]

Its called assault; thats our legal system.

And do you agree, or disagree with it?

[derllak]

Maybe it's okay for the guys to get 'em twisted, but try it on a girl and you'll be on the floor with your jewels in your hands!

[Bubbatuck]

oh please... doing time for a purple-nurple?

Do they execute kids for wedgies these days?

[Rokke]

There isn't much that provokes me to instant rage, but I have decked more than a few people who have tried to grab my nipple. Flick my ears, give me a friendly head butt, and you can even slap me in the butt...but reach for my nipples and you get punched. There just isn't a good reason for any guy to grab another guy's nipple.

[twippo]

Consider the reaction if this was done to a girl's nipples.

[Thumper1960]

Its called assault; thats our legal system.

And squashing a bug is animal cruelty.

[ozoneliar]

And do you agree, or disagree with it?

Well what I think is irrelevant, the law is the law; but I will say this: in order for the statutes to be effective, assault an battery laws need to have a low threshold.

[beaver fever]

Now that's not true derllak. If you do it gently she'll buy you breakfast in the morning.

I'll have eggs Florentine if that's alright with you.

[Bushman2]

When I was in the 6th grade the question of the day was:
"know what;s worse than a hurricane?,
It's a titty twister" Then you got the twist
It's kids having fun...

[LauraleeBraswell]

""has been sentenced to four days in juvenile detention because he refused to write a letter that explained his actions.


He wasn't sentenced because of the incident, but because he didn't comply with the judge's sentence. All he had to do was write a letter. It's equivalent to getting a ticket for running a stop sign, refusing to pay your ticket and then saying how you got your license suspended for only running a stop sign.


I just skimmed through another article. Turns out, they weren't friends. And the other boy was 13.You don't just go up to some random person in a deli, grab their nipple and twist it.

[ndt]

"the law is the law.. assault an battery laws need to have a low threshold"

You must be a blast at parties.

[Grizzled Bear]

Mary Miller should be given a wedgie. If she doesn't like it like it she should get a swirly.

[Thumper1960]

Of course, it is.

When I grew up (before the invention of the internal combustion engine) we did alot worse. We were boys being boys. Scars and welts to prove it. The pussyfication of the proto-man child by the "law and order"/froglicking Lefty doper types will lead to unforeseen consequences for us all.

[Grizzled Bear]

Its called assault; thats our legal system.
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I bet you were the kid who couldn't deal with dodge-ball.

[paul51]

If I only had a nickel for every time my nipple got twisted

You must have liked it

[California Patriot]

This is an Orwellian nightmare.

But at least the liberal lovers of freedom are standing up for terrorists, who should not be wiretapped without a court order -- and partial-birth abortionists.

[Washi]

in order for the statutes to be effective, assault an battery laws need to have a low threshold

Effective how? To give government more control over people? To emasculate society?

What you think about it isn't irrelevant if you are in a position to impose this limp-wristed policy on the rest of society. It was obviously relevant to someone.

[beaver fever]

OK what's a swirly?

[ozoneliar]

You must be a blast at parties.

Don't you know it.

[derllak]

You want it, you got it, Beav! And it's on the house! Lol!

[Bushman2]

MAJOR BUMP...BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AS WELL

[ozoneliar]

Effective how? To give government more control over people? To emasculate society?

I was referring mainly to civil suits.

[JRandomFreeper]

Scars and welts to prove it.

My regular barber cuts my hair without comment on anything except his next air-pistol match. He's getting old and had to quit center-fire competition, hurts his wrists...

I had a little girl down at Lackland cut my hair, and when she cut through the mop, exclaimed: "Ohmygod! You have so many scars back here."

Yep. I can tell you where every one of them came from.

Daddy's favorite saying? "Thank God you got hit in the head, you could have been hurt!"

/johnny

[Grizzled Bear]

in order for the statutes to be effective, assault an battery laws need to have a low threshold
Effective how? To give government more control over people? To emasculate society?

What you think about it isn't irrelevant if you are in a position to impose this limp-wristed policy on the rest of society. It was obviously relevant to someone.
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Here's a crazy idea; why don't we teach kids how to deal with problems and let them do it?

From what I gathered the "aggressor" was 16 and the "victim" was 13. From what I read here they didn't know each other.

I'm guessing the 16 year old was a bully. The 13 year old should be taught to stand up for himself. Even if he's a little guy he can deal with a bully when he has had enough. Most of the time bullies back down when they know their target won't take their crap.

[JRandomFreeper]

Head in the toilet. Flush. Usually takes 3 guys to make it happen. Target always lives.

/johnny

[ozoneliar]

Most of the time bullies back down when they know their target won't take their crap.

Sometimes a person is incapable of physically defending themselves in that case ,putting somebody in jail sounds good to me.

[Drango]

In the cruel reality that is high school, the poor kid who needed mommy and daddy to protect him from junior high "grab assing" or a Nipple Cripple...will become the target of more and more harassment. Wedgies are next. Then atomic wedgies.

If and when it morphs from "boys will be boys" into bullying, then the authorities can appropriately be called. Till then... There is no parent, no court and no law that can require kids to play fair. Life is unfair. And High School is life's proving ground.

[Washi]

why don't we teach kids how to deal with problems and let them do it?

That sounds reasonable to me.

[Grizzled Bear]

Head in the toilet. Flush. Usually takes 3 guys to make it happen. Target always lives.
/johnny
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johnny is right. That's one thing I never did. I understood the concept of "going too far." I also could fight back well enough so I never received one either!

I gave a few wedgies (and got some too), played some dodge ball, and I survived childhood without running to the government with a case of the freakin vapors.

[tallhappy]

The offender is required to describe the act in detail, explain "thinking errors," "express empathy" and describe any resultant life changes.

This is communist stuff.

The kid who complained should be told to take his nipple nuggy like a man.

If you are a homosexual you'd think this, yes.

Otherwise the punsihment should have been a bash in the head.

Weird creep kids like this are generally perverts and here you are thinking its all great and fine.

[JRandomFreeper]

I have both given and receive my share. I was the skinny little guy with glasses

I give as good as I get. And no hard feelings.

No bullies need apply, but if it's good, harmless fun, let the fun begin. Don't aim for the head. Skin grows back.

/johnny

[tallhappy]

If I only had a nickel for every time my nipple got twisted.

You sound nostaligic.

Weird latent homosxual stuff.

[tallhappy]

My brother was the worst offender. Heck, I'm 44, and he STILL grabs me in a neck lock and scrubs the top of my head with his knuckles.

Why do you put up with such behavior?

[AntiGuv]

I didn't get into much of any fights in school because I was a vicious kid. In the 8th grade some insane guy with a death wish decked me in the back of the head for no reason at all with his bookbag in the cafeteria. So, I grabbed him by the neck, slammed him to the floor, and pounded the shi'ite out of him until they dragged us off to the office where I actually felt a tiny bit bad watching him cry for two hours before the principal finally came in from the field day to suspend him and send me on my way. :)

So, everyone kind of kept a proper distance after that. But! That's not the point here. My junior year some guy suddenly lunged at me in the hall and I decked him about five feet away before he even reached his target. As it turned out, he was trying to grab my nipple. That was the only time it happened to me! If I'd known what was up I probably would've just let the nipple get tweaked though.

[tallhappy]

Do they execute kids for wedgies these days?

Why not? As long as you think it is OK to live a certain way (ie a "wdgie" is fine), then deal with the consequences of it.

[tallhappy]

Head in the toilet. Flush. Usually takes 3 guys to make it happen. Target always lives.

But the perpetrators ought not to. A good baseball bat to the head would stop this sociopathic behavior.

[tallhappy]

Turns out, they weren't friends. And the other boy was 13.

Look at all the people on this thread defending this creepy bully pervert. It's hard to believe.

[Grizzled Bear]

Sometimes a person is incapable of physically defending themselves in that case ,putting somebody in jail sounds good to me.
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This is where training children up the way you want them to be comes into play. I am a little old fashioned, if I see some jackass victimizing someone who can't defend themselves I step in. There is always someone bigger, faster or stronger than the bully.

I was a small until I hit about 20 years old. But I was quick and strong for my size. The big guys would mess with me until they got to know me. Even if I lost a fight I made sure they would remember me for a few days.

I am assuming this 13 year old was not in a wheel chair or suffering from cerebral palsy. They would have reported that. This was an older/bigger kid trying to be tough or funny. We don't even know if he was really "bullying" or just clowning around.

At 13 I might have asked the 16 year old if he knew the capital of Tai land. I then would have informed him it was "Bang-Cock," dropped low and let loose with an uppercut to his baggage.

The 13 year old would have his 15 minutes of fame, the 16 year old would at least respect him and maybe become his friend and, best of all, nobody would go to jail.

By the way; would you set up a special prison wing just for nipple twisters or would you put them in with the general population?