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Lord Have Mercy [US WCC Delegates Apologize for US]
Weekly Standard ^ | 3/1/2006 | Mark D. Tooley

Posted on 03/03/2006 4:15:06 AM PST by Unam Sanctam

AMERICAN CHURCH OFFICIALS pleaded for forgiveness for the sins of the United States last week--from the Iraq War, to Bush's rejection of the Kyoto Accord, to the racism exposed by Hurricane Katrina, to economic exploitation, and for the more general American sin of idolatry.

The clerics were representing 34 Protestant and Orthodox denominations in America at the Assembly of the World Council of Churches (WCC) meeting in Porto Alegre, Brazil.

"Our leaders turned a deaf ear to the voices of church leaders throughout our nation and the world, entering into imperial projects that seek to dominate and control for the sake of our own national interests," lamented the apologetic Americans. "Nations have been demonized and God has been enlisted in national agendas that are nothing short of idolatrous."

The Geneva-based WCC, which includes 340 churches totaling 550 million members, has been governed by leftists for decades. About 25 percent of the world's Christians belong to Protestant or Orthodox communions in the WCC. Thanks largely to leadership by leftist Europeans, the WCC long ago abandoned traditional Christian notions of ecumenism and evangelism in favor of radical liberation theologies that demonized the West, capitalism, and even Christianity. (Perhaps most famously, the WCC grudgingly refused to criticize the Soviet bloc during the final decades of the Cold War, while supporting and sometimes actually funding Soviet backed insurgencies.)

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1 posted on 03/03/2006 4:15:07 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

Where are the Seperation of Chuch and State clowns now?


2 posted on 03/03/2006 4:16:38 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Forgiveness for turning down the KYOTO TREATY ?!?!?!

Pack your bags & get your sorry self over to France, you ingrate.

3 posted on 03/03/2006 4:18:15 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Unam Sanctam

Does anyone still have the illusion that they are Christian?


4 posted on 03/03/2006 4:19:15 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: Unam Sanctam

This is an example of why I never go to church any more.


5 posted on 03/03/2006 4:19:47 AM PST by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Liberal clerics begging forgiveness for not our embracing socialism - and now Islam. Yeah, our country stands guilty of having people who don't want to stand up and defend her abroad. It is they who should ask us for forgiveness instead of presuming to speak in our country's name.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

6 posted on 03/03/2006 4:21:27 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Who are the US WCC delegates?

The Dixie Chicks?!


7 posted on 03/03/2006 4:23:51 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: oblomov
"This is an example of why I never go to church any more."

I guess that's as good an excuse as any.

8 posted on 03/03/2006 4:24:04 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: goldstategop
Don't fret, soon they will be asking forgiveness for following a white, anti-abortion, anti-feminist rights, homophobe, racist named Jesus.
9 posted on 03/03/2006 4:24:34 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: MNJohnnie


Better yet, where's the IRS? The branches of said "church" in this country ought to have their tax free status reevaluated.


10 posted on 03/03/2006 4:25:07 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Here are some members of WCC:

Member Churches

A Google of World Council Churches communism brings up some interesting stuff.

11 posted on 03/03/2006 4:33:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Unam Sanctam
The WCC is a socialist front organization founded in the mid-20th Century. The NCC is the US "local" organ of it.

They are dedicated to the destruction of the US Constitution and the creation of a socialistic world.

12 posted on 03/03/2006 4:38:57 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: oblomov

It is one of the major reasons why I left the ELCA and moved to the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.


13 posted on 03/03/2006 4:41:05 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

*****"Our leaders turned a deaf ear to the voices of church leaders throughout our nation and the world, entering into imperial projects that seek to dominate and control for the sake of our own national interests," *****

Its no wonder that our leaders turned a deaf ear to these clowns, if this is the crap they are spouting.


14 posted on 03/03/2006 4:43:16 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: RoadTest

Not I!


15 posted on 03/03/2006 4:54:00 AM PST by pctech
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To: 8mmMauser

Wow. What a remarkable specifically vague list of church names they've put forth. The uninformed, looking at that list, would assume that it represents the vast majority of denominations of Christianity, both in the U.S. and abroad.


16 posted on 03/03/2006 4:54:01 AM PST by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: oblomov

Not a good excuse for lack of church attendance. Just find you a church that doesn't support the stupid WCC. There are plenty who do not.


17 posted on 03/03/2006 4:57:02 AM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: oblomov

Yeah, every Church I ever attended is full of hypocritical sinners.

If they can't get their act together someone needs to do it for them.


18 posted on 03/03/2006 5:05:39 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Yeah, every Church I ever attended is full of hypocritical sinners.

If they can't get their act together someone needs to do it for them.

__________________________-

1 - The church exists for sinners, not pure-as-the-driven-snow type like yourself.
2 - The non-churched world is also full of hypocritical sinners.
3 - The "someone" of whom you speak is the Lord and He is working full time to achieve just that.


19 posted on 03/03/2006 5:12:23 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

You need to amend number 3.

Jesus finished the work on the cross.


21 posted on 03/03/2006 5:14:49 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: oblomov
This is an example of why I never go to church any more.

There are plenty of churches that don't associate or endorse these fools. I go to an Assembly of God church with a wonderful congregation and a straightfoward Pastor. This kind of sniveling wouldn't sit too well with us.
22 posted on 03/03/2006 5:22:30 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: 8mmMauser
Thanks for posting the link. I think I had seen that list once before, but I was glad to see that the denomination we currently worship with is not a member.
23 posted on 03/03/2006 5:27:28 AM PST by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Who are the US WCC delegates?

The Dixie Chicks?!

Not exactly. One of them, mentioned in the article, is recently elected Disciples General Minister Sharon Watkins.

In the spirit of our delegation's comments I apologize for the behavior of my General Minister. I'm afraid our leadership has become politically extreme and unapproachable, intimidated by the more extreme leftism of the WCC and wanting so much to belong.

24 posted on 03/03/2006 5:32:03 AM PST by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: RoadTest

No illusion whatsoever, they gave up the right to be Christians when they started to support the Gay agenda. Amen.


25 posted on 03/03/2006 5:33:22 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Raycpa

Redemption is OFFERED and AVAILABLE because of the Cross. Repentance is necessary and the Lord is working in and on our hearts daily, that never stops.
Sin and then repentance certainly didn't stop at the Cross!

And separation of church and state is necessary so that these types of wackos in this group doesn't take over


26 posted on 03/03/2006 5:34:35 AM PST by Shimmer128
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To: Shimmer128

Make that "don't take over"


27 posted on 03/03/2006 5:35:07 AM PST by Shimmer128
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To: Unam Sanctam; Molly Pitcher; All
Thanks for the link Molly, I stumbled on the following piece just last night.

PCUSA nears half-life as exodus accelerates

PCUSA leaders have often said the empty seats are because people are simply dropping out of churches and the truancy doesn't have anything to do with their "progressive" theological agendas.

But professional surveys that suggest otherwise and the overall demise of the mainline U.S. Protestant denominations – reflected also in their ecumenical alliances in the National Council of Churches, the World Council of Churches and the World Alliance of Reformed Churches – show their aggregated social/political strength is withering both in membership numbers and financial support.

28 posted on 03/03/2006 5:40:51 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Casey Sheehan, thank you for your service. I'm proud of you. Even if your own mother isn't.)
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To: Redleg Duke
"It is one of the major reasons why I left the ELCA and moved to the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod."

We too! We'd given up on the ELCA for over a year due to their WOT bashing from the pulpit (I was assistant minister one Sunday and almost got up and walked out when a visiting pastor pontificated on the war).

Then we began going again. Well, gee, they began their study on 'sexuality'. One of our parishioners (who's wife was a synod VP) was on the ELCA board for that study. This couple were totally against the direction the ELCA was going but powerless to make any inroads. They're still with the ELCA but no longer participate at synod level.

Ash Wednesday last year we went to the service at our local LCMS parish. We joined a couple months later and are very happy we did. Our LCMS parish preaches the Bible.

29 posted on 03/03/2006 5:51:40 AM PST by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Just so you know, these "prelates" don't speak for at least one American. I apologize for NONE of these things.


30 posted on 03/03/2006 5:55:51 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Raycpa
"Yeah, every Church I ever attended is full of hypocritical sinners. If they can't get their act together someone needs to do it for them."

We're all human, that's why! The one to 'do it for them' is the Holy Spirit, but we first have to let him into our hearts. Just because someone is 'churched' doesn't mean they're with the Spirit.

Does this mean the church is hypocritical? NO! It means that it has a lot of work to do.

Read 1 Co 5: 9-13. Far too often we're either ignorant of Paul's admonition, or too lazy or fearful to do anything about those among us who don't measure up.

This is NO reason to leave a church. If the Spirit is working in you, don't ignore it. Go to church and make use of your gifts.

31 posted on 03/03/2006 5:58:16 AM PST by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: aomagrat; GipperCT; MarMema; crazykatz; don-o; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; newberger; ...
We must get the Orthodox Church out of the WCC and it's US clone, the NCC.

We must!

32 posted on 03/03/2006 6:03:48 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: oblomov
This is an example of why I never go to church any more.

Sorry, this is no excuse there are plenty of churches who do not belong to the evil National Council of Churhes or WCC.

We left the ELCA (NCC) for Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (no NCC).

33 posted on 03/03/2006 6:05:33 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Unam Sanctam
I was discussing this takeover of Church Leadership Organizations (NCA, WCC, Methodist & Presbyterian, Mennonite Central Committee, etc) by socially liberal anti-Israel leftists with my sister, saying that it's one of the things that distresses me the most.

She said denominations are of man, and if they must fall, so be it. All that will be left is the Word and those who follow it as God intends, not their selfish humanistic interpretations. It was just one of those simple lightbulb moments that changed my whole outlook on the situation.

34 posted on 03/03/2006 6:08:30 AM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: The Pastor; oblomov

Sitting in a church, no matter how spiritual or how apostate, no more makes one a Christian, than sitting in a garage overnight will turn you into a motor vehicle.

Christ knows what is in each heart, and only He is able to discern the motives of each person.

I'll trust King Jesus as to what's in my heart before I embrace a weekly tally sheet proclaiming who was in church and who was playing hooky.


35 posted on 03/03/2006 6:19:08 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Shimmer128
Lord is working in and on our hearts daily, that never stops.

The Lord or the Holy Spirit?

36 posted on 03/03/2006 6:21:16 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
Lord is working in and on our hearts daily, that never stops.
The Lord or the Holy Spirit?


Yes.
37 posted on 03/03/2006 6:23:24 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup; The Pastor; oblomov
I'll trust King Jesus as to what's in my heart before I embrace a weekly tally sheet proclaiming who was in church and who was playing hooky.

I cannot imagine life without regularly worshiping with fellow Christians. My heart, mind and soul yearn for corporate worship more and more every day.

I never see it has a task that needs to be checked off. I see it as being privileged enough to honor God in some small way, to look at Him in wonder and awe, to drink in the words of scripture, to fellowship and love other Christians.

38 posted on 03/03/2006 6:27:36 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Sounds like you have a great church home. Personally, I'm involved in a home-church, and while the numbers are not gigantic, the Spirit is genuine, and so too is the enthusiasm. :)


39 posted on 03/03/2006 6:35:19 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup

I have felt the same way in an apostate Church.


40 posted on 03/03/2006 6:42:09 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Unam Sanctam

How long do we have to wait for the Orthodox Church to get the heck out of this insane anti Christian organization...!?


41 posted on 03/03/2006 6:57:00 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Unam Sanctam

Meet the enemy.

http://stopncc.blogspot.com/2006/03/top-episcopal-bishop-meets-dictator.html


42 posted on 03/03/2006 7:38:28 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: oblomov
This is an example of why I never go to church any more.

Ditto

43 posted on 03/03/2006 8:02:54 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: FormerLib

"We must get the Orthodox Church out of the WCC and it's US clone, the NCC.

We must!"

The process has been started in this GOA metropolis.


44 posted on 03/03/2006 8:08:57 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: eleni121

"How long do we have to wait for the Orthodox Church to get the heck out of this insane anti Christian organization...!?"

The process for the GOA has been started. I've done a bit of work on it today. My own metropolis is "horrified" at what is being said in our name.


45 posted on 03/03/2006 8:47:35 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

The process for the GOA has been started. I've done a bit of work on it today. My own metropolis is "horrified" at what is being said in our name.




Wonderful news! Make is so!


46 posted on 03/03/2006 8:49:19 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Unam Sanctam; crazykatz; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; newberger; The_Reader_David; jb6; ...

Ping to this outrage of the WCC which is being perpetrated at least in part in our name. Please contact your metropolis' chancellors or metropolitans and start the process for presentation of motions at your metropolis clergy/laity conferences for the withdrawal of the Church from this evil organization. It is very important that we all contact our chancellors and hierarchs immediately so this matter doesn't get just passed over and forgotten. Thanks!


47 posted on 03/03/2006 8:51:05 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: eleni121

There are big supporters of the NCC/WCC cabal in your metropolis, Eleni mou. Get your people together and innudate the chancellor's office with complaints. be sure to send a link to the Weekly Standar article. An internet war over this will bring them around, I predict.


48 posted on 03/03/2006 8:53:26 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

I'll be drafting something at my earliest convenience.

I know Fr. Kishkovsky read the letter on behalf of the American delegation. What I'd like to know is to what extent the American Orthodox representatives signed off on this. Was there any dissent on their part? Was there any minority report? Have any Orthodox representatives distanced themselves from this?

On the surface, I'd say this letter is just par for the course for the likes of the NCC. The same old fertilizer it always puts out. It reminds me of the "prayer of confession" I experienced once about 20 years ago in a United Methodist service. We "confessed" a lot of things that weren't true, or a lot of things that we had nothing to do with. It was the only time in my life that I thought about walking out of church. And that's one small example of why I left the UMC in particular and mainline Protestantism in general. I got fed up with the onanistic proclamations of denominational "policy makers": pinheadeded, pseudo-intellectuals who couldn't hold an honest job under the threat of death. I expected better from Orthodoxy. And I usually get better. The Orthodox have tons of reasons to leave the NCC/WCC, and all of them bigger and more important than a letter from the American delegation saying, basicially, what a bunch of sh*ts they are: ("grateful for hospitality we don’t deserve, for companionship we haven’t earned, for an embrace we don’t merit"). Can't say I disagree with them there, as long as they are speaking only for and about themselves and not for and about me and others among their countrymen. When they depart from speaking about themselves, then they are all wet. But I am touched by the humility of these failed "prophets."


49 posted on 03/03/2006 10:14:41 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Just say "No" to Judy Baar Topinka)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Fundamental Baptists have never been ecumenical. We desire to get along with other denominations to accomplish equal social concerns, like ending abortion, but we don't discuss theological positions with other denoms, with the intent to make concessions to get agreement.

Fundamental Baptists have maintained that the WCC is demonic.


50 posted on 03/03/2006 10:24:28 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "I believe Hillary is the aunti-christ.")
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