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French Jews Asking Again — Are We Safe?
Jewish Life ^ | 3-3-2006 | Gabrielle Birkner

Posted on 03/03/2006 4:55:51 AM PST by I am for Bush

New York’s French Consul General Francois Delattre attempted to reassure American Jewish leaders Tuesday that France was committed to eradicating the “black shadow of anti-Semitism,” in the wake of the shocking murder of a young French Jew who was abducted for ransom.

“You can trust my government, you can trust my authorities, you can trust my country” to aggressively combat anti-Semitism, Delattre told Jewish communal professionals and lay leaders, who met in New York to show solidarity with their French counterparts.

Despite such assurances, the kidnapping and murder of 23-year-old Ilan Halimi has jolted France’s already uneasy Jewish community — still reeling from the wave of anti-Semitic attacks that coincided with the second intifada — and reignited the debate over whether or not France is a safe place for its 600,000 Jews.

Halimi, a cell phone salesman, had very modest means but his kidnappers assumed he was wealthy because he was Jewish, according to French police.

“Whenever there is an anti-Semitic act, we ask the same questions: Are we secure in France? Is the government protecting us? Are the police protecting us?” Benjamin Abtan, president of France’s powerful Jewish student union, UEJF, told The Jewish Week by phone from Paris.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; france; frenchjews; ilanhalimi; jacqueschirac; judeophobia

1 posted on 03/03/2006 4:55:53 AM PST by I am for Bush
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To: I am for Bush
When were jewish people ever safe in France?

If they have to ask, they know the answer.

NO NO NO NO NO

2 posted on 03/03/2006 5:08:28 AM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: I am for Bush

The sad thing is that the French Government will be handing over French Jews to French collaborators who will do the initial dirty work for their new masters.


3 posted on 03/03/2006 5:09:16 AM PST by pikachu (Be alert --we need more lerts!)
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To: I am for Bush
French Jews Asking Again — Are We Safe?

No, you are not safe. France, unfortunately, will not protect you.

4 posted on 03/03/2006 5:14:04 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Remember: Shaken, not stirred...)
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To: I am for Bush

If Hitler had never existed, the French would've made him up.


5 posted on 03/03/2006 5:30:13 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: OldFriend; I am for Bush
When were jewish people ever safe in France?

Never! My father served in France in WWII. He waited until I experienced the joy of childbirth to tell me some of the things he saw. He wasn't a hateful person, but boy did he hate the French. On Sunday afternoons, PBS would show either World at War, or Victory at Sea. When we watched footage shot in France, my dad's jaw would start twitching. Watching these programs was my father's way of educating me on the horrors of genocide. We're Irish Catholic, btw.

The French Jews should thumb their noses at Chirac, and emigrate. Nobody would bother them where I live.

6 posted on 03/03/2006 5:31:29 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: pikachu

The French were so dedicated, that when the Germans asked for the adults, the French insisted that they take the children as well. From what I understand, the Germans were appalled. That's pretty bad when the Germans got upset. IIRC, the Germans I am referring to were regular army, not SS.


7 posted on 03/03/2006 5:34:50 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Alouette; SJackson

Ping for how can we try and assimilate 600,000 French Jews.


8 posted on 03/03/2006 5:36:33 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: I am for Bush
NO - I would suggest they move to a country where at least they can defend themselves - like the USA, Switzerland or Israel
9 posted on 03/03/2006 5:36:59 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: I am for Bush

Of course Jews are safe in France! The press told us:
“This was not a race or religious issue, it was purely a
thuggish element bordering on criminality. They were not
standing up for the community, we are talking about thugs
and criminals who wanted to deliberately start things up to
create the headlines, and there’s no justification.”


10 posted on 03/03/2006 5:40:38 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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11 posted on 03/03/2006 5:43:12 AM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: I am for Bush

In a word? NO!


12 posted on 03/03/2006 5:47:02 AM PST by MortMan (Trains stop at train stations. On my desk is a workstation...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Yes, the French turned over children from a safe monestary where they were being protected. The Germans had not asked for those children, the French volunteered them.

The French have no soul. That space is occupied by pure evil. Always was, always will be.

And yes, I am jewish.

13 posted on 03/03/2006 5:48:44 AM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: OldFriend

One does not have to be Jewish to "know" the French.


14 posted on 03/03/2006 5:51:51 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: I am for Bush
French Jews Asking Again — Are We Safe?


WOW! A Revelation???? Islam is on the verge of taking over Europe and there they sit like they did in the 1930s. Right now, I can't have sympathy toward ignorance. This has been taking place in their faces for years but yet they support the Liberals.

Conservative Jews have been warning the Jews in the United States and around the world the Socialist are not their friends for many years now. The Liberals/Socialist have been in bed with the Muslims for decades. What do they not get? (sheeze)
15 posted on 03/03/2006 5:58:11 AM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: OldFriend

Of course you're Jewish : ) I mentioned Irish Catholicism because of where my grandparents came from. As an American, I realize that England is America's ally. As a person descended from those who suffered atrocities at the hands of the British, I loathe that country. I had a grandmother, and great aunts who unfortunately(?) told me oral history of how the British destroyed the churches, criminalized the Gaelic language, and of course Catholicism. This started hundreds of years ago, but we've got a long memory.

The French are in a category all in their own. They're supposed to be Catholic, but they spit on the Bible.


16 posted on 03/03/2006 6:13:36 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I have posted on here many times that french Jews need to emigrate. This would have to be a push by all Jews in Israel and the USA. The USA could easily take 600K Jews thru immigration, since I dont know any Jews who dont work or are generally not productive, and that includes the vast amt that are liberal. So here is what I propose, we can take the conservative real Jews and the liberal ones can go anywhere else they can, but not here. If they stay in france, they have a death wish, its only a matter of time and then its on their own heads.


17 posted on 03/03/2006 6:30:04 AM PST by son of caesar
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To: I am for Bush
Jews living in France can hardly look forward to a safe future. As more and more Muslims overwhelm France by flocking into the country, the less safe Jews will be. With uncontrolled immigration, plus the tremendously high birth rate of Third World peoples, combined with a declining birth rate in Europe, the future does not look bright for civilization.

No great civilization that has been overwhelmed by a massive demographic shift of primitives have ever recovered its former level of civilization. Assimilation is always downward.

Muslims hate Jews and are taught from childhood to eliminate all Jews from the face of the Earth.

For the same reason Jews will never be safe in Israel surrounded as they are by tens of millions of Muslims who believe the same thing.

We must remember that Muslims are a people driven by a primitive fundamentalist religion not susceptible to civilized reason.
18 posted on 03/03/2006 6:30:36 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: I am for Bush

Nope, you sure arent'. You have a government that is more interesting in begging for their lives from the Muslims they so fear.


19 posted on 03/03/2006 6:32:36 AM PST by sandbar
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"The French are in a category all in their own. They're supposed to be Catholic, but they spit on the Bible. "


20 posted on 03/03/2006 6:40:30 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: I am for Bush

A woman I know is a French Jew who has lived in this country for many years. She works in the fashion industry and until recently traveled to France regularly for business and family reasons. About five years ago, she decided that she no longer felt safe there. She now says she will never go back.


21 posted on 03/03/2006 6:49:23 AM PST by joylyn
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To: son of caesar

I just wish they'd listen to us. The US could easily absorb 600,000 people, especially educated ones. With Olmert in charge, I couldn't recommend immigrating to Israel right now.

The French Jews really need to take a good look at their situation. Defiance in the face of evil is all good, but if you're dead, what's the point?


22 posted on 03/03/2006 6:58:27 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Lol, great graphic : )


23 posted on 03/03/2006 7:00:09 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"The French are in a category all in their own. They're supposed to be Catholic, but they spit on the Bible. "

Only if they are "french " muslims

24 posted on 03/03/2006 7:00:54 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: son of caesar

I believe I read that in 2005 more jewish people emigrated to Israel than ever before......since after the war of course.


25 posted on 03/03/2006 7:09:21 AM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
For balance it was not all of France that capitulated you refer to the Vichy government. My late grandfather was a member of the maquis his cell collaborated with the British SOE to rescue fighter pilots shot down over Nazi occupied France.

My Great Aunt was killed by the nazis during the war. To label all French in this way is not very real to the truth.

26 posted on 03/03/2006 7:10:37 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: I am for Bush
The French Jews are about as safe as the Muslim Algerians who supported them during the Algerian War...

Algeria War 1954-1962 ... Not even paper protection, however, was given to 250000 Muslim officials, many of a very humble kind, who had continued to serve France faithfully to the end. De Gaulle was too busy saving France by extricating itself from the horror, to give them a thought. When a Muslim deputy, 10 of whose family had already been murdered by the FLN, told de Gaulle that, with self-determination, "we shall suffer", he replied coldly: "Eh, bien - vous suffrirez" (So good - you shall suffer). They did. Only 15000 had the money and means to get out. The rest were shot without trial, used as human mine detectors to clear the minefields along the Tunisian border, tortured, made to dig their own tombs and swallow their military decorations before being killed; some were burned alive, castrated, dragged behind trucks, fed to the dogs; there were cases where entire families including tiny children were murdered together. The French army units that remained, their former comrades in arms, stood by, horrified and powerless, for under the Agreements they had no right to interfer. French soldiers were actually employed to disarm the Muslim harkis, telling them they wouldbe issued with more modern weapons, although in fact they were about to be slaughtered. It was a crime of betrayal comparable to the British handing over Russian POWs to Stalin's wrath; worse, indeed. Estimates of the number put to death vary from 30000 to 150000....


27 posted on 03/03/2006 7:30:35 AM PST by Gritty (Jews are playing their traditional role of the canaries in history's coal mine – Mark Steyn)
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To: I am for Bush
You're in France. They only thing France cares about protecting is it's wine and chickens. And BOTH are near death. You've got a handwringing president who has never found himself on the right side of any issue, yet continually strives to remain on the road to ruin. Learning from history knows no quarter. And common sense has no takers.

What do YOU think?

28 posted on 03/03/2006 7:37:00 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness (...what do you mean "Candy isn't married to Alan..?...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

My pictoral way of cheering someone when they're right on!


29 posted on 03/03/2006 7:44:33 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: Bon mots
" “This was not a race or religious issue, it was purely a thuggish element bordering on criminality."

Criminy! Torturing a kid for a month and killing him is "bordering on criminality?"

...Get out while the gettin's good. Need a sponsor? call me. Allez! Vite!

30 posted on 03/03/2006 7:46:25 AM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
My sister married a frenchman, and his parents invited our parents for a visit in the south of france. Our father is not jewish, our mother is, and we were not raised with any sense of who we were, so our jewishness was always kind of an afterthought. The french in-laws made a reservation for my parents at a bed and breakfast type place under my father's name (Hart). When my parents arrived, the consierge took a close look at my mother and told my sister (who was the only one who spoke french fluently)that while my father could stay, "the jewess" had to leave, that "her kind" were not welcome.

This was quite an eye opener for us. My sister goes to france every year to visit her in-laws, and though in appearance we take after our father, I fear for her. Being American is also not safe.

31 posted on 03/03/2006 9:10:39 AM PST by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: I am for Bush; ariamne
Marcel Bloch, genius aviation pioneer, constructor of French warplanes and resistance fighter was arrested by Gestapo in 1944 and sent to concentration camp. Although he was the most prominent figure, there were no backchannels to free him, like other prominent Frenchmen who happened to be Roman Catholics. In 1949 he changed his Jewish surname to Dassault. Once when commented that there was no need to change Jewish name in democratic France, he quipped to the effect of the words "I learned too well who the Frenchmen really are".

This lesson was lost on many.

32 posted on 03/03/2006 10:54:12 AM PST by DTA
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To: Kelly_2000

I'm talking about French "Christians", not French Muslims.


33 posted on 03/03/2006 12:32:28 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Kelly_2000

I said the Vichy government, not every French citizen. I'm very well aware of the Resistance, and the heroic sacrifices made by French patriots. Your grandpa was one of the good ones.

One of the things my dad mentioned was seeing a young woman crucified on the side of a barn. It wasn't the Germans who did it.

My apologies if you thought I was tarring every single French person with the same brush. Your aunt and grandpa showed an enormous amount of courage, as well as all the members of the Resistance.


34 posted on 03/03/2006 12:53:37 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Gritty
When a Muslim deputy, 10 of whose family had already been murdered by the FLN, told de Gaulle that, with self-determination, "we shall suffer", he replied coldly: "Eh, bien - vous suffrirez" (So good - you shall suffer).

OMG, that is so wrong. This just goes to prove that I'll never know it all, because I never heard of this. Disgusting!

35 posted on 03/03/2006 1:35:35 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: ariamne

"The jewess"?? When did this happen? I haven't heard that type of terminology in eons, and they were usually books or old movies about WWII. It must be hard for your sister. Being Jewish and American is not good when you are a tourist in Europe.

I remember wanting to visit Ireland. I gave that up after 9/11. Even if I had the money, no way would I go to a foreign country.


36 posted on 03/03/2006 1:49:39 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: I am for Bush

"French Jews Asking Again — Are We Safe?"

Uhhh...non,non et non! Comprenez-vous?


37 posted on 03/03/2006 1:52:39 PM PST by antceecee (Reagan Democrat and now a Bush Republican...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Believe it or not, this happened in 1999. My sister tells me she found anti-semitism not uncommon among older French people who live in small towns (this was outside of Maignon--not sure how to spell it; my sister's father in law was the Mayor of Maignon); but it was her first time experiencing this kind of prejudice, because she and I are blonde and blue-eyed, and do not resemble our mother, whose appearance is characteristic of the Ashkenazi Jew.

While we found this incident annoying and hurtful for Mom, it certainly did not carry with it the physical threat of the virulent anti-semitism of the muslims in France.

I don't blame you for not being eager to travel after 9/11; I feel the same way. Europe is not safe for Americans anymore, and Europe is probably safer than Asia, etc. It's a shame, because as children we traveled all over the world, but I must deny that experience to my own daughter, lest she end up like poor Ilian Hashimi. She can have plenty of interesting travel experiences right here in the USA. And I don't care if that sounds jingoistic! Cheers, Ari

38 posted on 03/03/2006 2:19:48 PM PST by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
OMG, that is so wrong.

The treachery of the French is hard to comprehend.

39 posted on 03/03/2006 4:17:29 PM PST by Gritty (The worldwide Left's assessment of culpability for Muslim terror; it’s the fault of the murdered-Den)
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To: I am for Bush
On the verge of Vichy II.


40 posted on 03/03/2006 9:48:50 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is Never Free)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I am baffled as to why more Jewish groups are not pressuring french Jews to emigrate? We would be lucky to get a group of people who have good ethics when it comes to work, education and entreprenuership. Instead we get mexicos thirld worlders. As to defiance, there comes a point in time where the motto, you live to fight another day comes to mind. france will not protect Jewish people, it never has, Jews who insist on staying will simply perish, due to their own denial. I cant worry about them, I have to worry about those who wish to get out and make a better life. They are where we need to focus on.


41 posted on 03/04/2006 2:22:25 AM PST by son of caesar
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To: ariamne

1999? My God! It is easy to blame the Muslims for their hatred, after all they shout if from the rooftops. The quiet ones are the ones to watch. A "Jew" comes in all colors. My bf is Jewish, and looks like he's Jewish. His children don't look Jewish. You'd never know his sister and brother in law, and their children, were Jewish.

Everyone who is aware will not be travelling anywhere outside the US. It stinks, but I'd rather be safe. This country has a bounty of natural wonders and historical sites, besides those attractions for pure pleasure.


42 posted on 03/04/2006 4:28:41 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: son of caesar

I hear what you're saying. It's a damn shame to just sit back and watch, though.

I would definitely trade some of the third world illegals for people who can actually contribute something to this country, and have a good reason to emigrate here. The young man who was tortured and murdered should be a wake up call for not only French Jews, but for the French Christians as well. Once the Muslims run out of Jews, they'll come for the Christians.


43 posted on 03/04/2006 5:10:35 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"I said the Vichy government, not every French citizen. I'm very well aware of the Resistance, and the heroic sacrifices made by French patriots. Your grandpa was one of the good ones. "

They where not acting alone many French fought the German occupation in this way. Of course there where collaborators, and it's fair to say they existed in every German occupied country.

I just hope the French political landscape changes very soon and the USA and conservative France can be reconciled. :-)

"One of the things my dad mentioned was seeing a young woman crucified on the side of a barn. It wasn't the Germans who did it. "

War is often a grotesque affair, I cannot speak for this individual case, but quite often collaborators where "lynched" by mobs after liberation.

"My apologies if you thought I was tarring every single French person with the same brush. Your aunt and grandpa showed an enormous amount of courage, as well as all the members of the Resistance."

Thank you for that comment it raises you up in my estimation, also I wanted to let you know a fact within my family. My parents keep in close contact with an American and British airman's families who where smuggled into Switzerland and to the British Isles respectively by my grandfather's cell. The families write and share information about their families and lives. In fact while I was growing up , we made a student exchange where I lived in Washington DC for a summer and the American family sent their daughter to live in Paris with my parents. The last time the families visited us was during the war 50 year memorial some years ago. This for me is the real "war history" something I can touch and see with my own eyes. This lasting legacy of friendship and respect is what is important in my opinion, there are many French and American families joined in this way, in fact to this day France has many associations that can facilitate in this exchange by tracing people in both France and America / Britain.

44 posted on 03/06/2006 1:48:55 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

thats not correct then, there are millions of devout French who do not spit on the bible. Myself included


45 posted on 03/06/2006 1:58:25 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Kelly_2000

Even as a child, I saw the hypocrisy of shaving a woman's head and marching her down the street with her half German baby. I don't consider survival tactics as collaboration. Seems to me that we confuse the population with their government. Like the Russians, for instance.

I hope that the French can bring in a conservative government, and some control over their Muslim population, before it's too late. I know they helped us during the Revolutionary War, but it was more to punk Great Britain that to help us ;-) Either way, we benifitted.

War is completely grotesque. You've heard of the old joke about the tree lined streets in France? Well, they used to string piano wire across the road to decapitate motorcycle messengers.

There were some real heroes out of that war. Thank you for reminding me, and everyone else reading your posts. You must be sick of all the French bashing by now. Years ago, I was on a private message board on Yahoo, that dealt with sociopaths in our lives. There was one member named Jackie, and she lived in France. Obviously every culture and system is different, and she had been put on medical leave from her job, and couldn't find another one because of her age. Mind you, this was 5 yrs ago, but I still wonder what happened to her. She was a multilingual translator for the American Army after WWII, but couldn't get a visa to emigrate to the US. She married someone like my ex, her own family was pretty hateful as well. Some of us investigated immigration policies from various countries to get her away from a very bad situation. I told her to get a tourist visa, and come live with me. I'd rather have someone like her living here on an expired tourist visa, than Mohammed Atta(of course I was thinking of run of the mill illegal immigrants at the time-not the 9/11 nightmare). Anyway, her cat died, and she quit posting. Like I said, I still think about her.

It probably comes across that we hate everyone who is French. That's unfair, and I know that.

Thank you for posting your family's story. Those airmen owed their lives, and it is wonderful that you all were able to stay in touch.


46 posted on 03/06/2006 8:54:28 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"I hope that the French can bring in a conservative government, "

Ah but so much damage to undo after such a long legacy of socialist policy making.

"and some control over their Muslim population, before it's too late."

Again is this possible now? cities like Marseilles are almost unrecognizable to me an an adult, during my childhood I could recognize the French heritage quite easily, they are more akin with the Tunisian and Moroccan countries that i have visited these days.

"There were some real heroes out of that war. Thank you for reminding me, and everyone else reading your posts. ."

There where some great heroes of the day in France, I remember the friendly taunts my English Father would have with my French Grandfather (both where in the forces) when I was a child, I understand them better now for what they where. My Grandfather spoke of the fear of betrayal and discovery that was constant living amongst the enemy not knowing when discovery or betrayal would occur. This was a different kind of courage not more or less than any other soldier faced but it was a different kind of service during the war that is all. I can only guess and wonder what it must have been like.

"You must be sick of all the French bashing by now"

No because in some ways I am often in agreement with those comments, sounds strange yes?

I remember quite well the 9/11 morning sitting in a hotel room in New York as I was visiting my sister (she worked at Goldman Sachs and was late that morning)

I remember the painful sights that we all saw heard the calls of loved ones on cell phones and wept yes wept for them and their loses especially when I heard the fate of the firemen and policemen.

I remember feeling so proud of my country on the day when France said in support of the American people that same day (9/11) Today in France we are all Americans. Again this brought me to tears.

Now unfortunately my country has again brought me to tears, but not with hope or pride, but with shame this time.

Over the veto in the security council against the US led resolution there can only be shame in my opinion.

"It probably comes across that we hate everyone who is French. That's unfair, and I know that. "

No I think that there are some hurt feelings in the USA and that will take much time to repair previous good relations. I can only hope a common enemy and a return to conservative government in France will see this opportunity blossom.

47 posted on 03/06/2006 9:39:31 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Kelly_2000
Again is this possible now? cities like Marseilles are almost unrecognizable to me an an adult, during my childhood I could recognize the French heritage quite easily, they are more akin with the Tunisian and Moroccan countries that i have visited these days.

That's not right. That's our future if we don't watch out. America has always had ethnic neighborhoods, but not at the expense of the general population. Anything is possible with the Lord's help. We that pray, need to pray that they don't take over here.

There where some great heroes of the day in France, I remember the friendly taunts my English Father would have with my French Grandfather (both where in the forces) when I was a child, I understand them better now for what they where. My Grandfather spoke of the fear of betrayal and discovery that was constant living amongst the enemy not knowing when discovery or betrayal would occur. This was a different kind of courage not more or less than any other soldier faced but it was a different kind of service during the war that is all. I can only guess and wonder what it must have been like.

This is where we in America are heading for....Betrayal. Look at the Clinton's track record, for pete's sake! My dad never was one for talking, but when he did say something, I paid attention. Socialism sucks.

48 posted on 03/06/2006 5:53:11 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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