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The downside of rejecting the DWP port deal
RealClearPolitics ^ | March 3, 2006 | Richard Klein

Posted on 03/03/2006 11:05:54 AM PST by Tarnsman

A friend, usually most interested in a newspaper's business section, e-mailed his take on the Dubai Ports World issue and asked, "Is this the international equivalent of driving while black, only shipping while Arab?"

Though the ongoing debate is a complex intersection of foreign investment, homeland security and government secrecy issues, it is hard to ignore the suggestion of racial profiling or the wider implications for American policy in the Middle East.

After all, 80 percent of the ports in the United States are managed by foreign companies. A stevedorer partially owned by the Chinese government runs operations at Long Beach, Calif., the second- busiest port in the U.S., with little fanfare or concern. Other companies from Asia and Europe, some government-owned and many with huge Arab and Muslim communities and known jihadist cells, do the same on the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf coasts.

Yet for the past two weeks not just DP World but the entire United Arab Emirates have been labeled by some as terrorist sponsors, Taliban apologists and unreliable U.S. allies. This is just wrong, according to those who deal with the Emirates on military, intelligence and national security issues and know the country to be a solid partner in the war on terrorism.

So much so that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda have turned their sights on the UAE, threatening the country specifically for maintaining a cooperative relationship with the U.S.

What started it all were inaccurate reports suggesting an Arab company "taking over" or "buying" ports in the United States. As part of a $6.8 billion acquisition of the London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., DP World will inherit contracts to manage cargo operations at ports in Brooklyn, Newark, New Orleans, Miami, Philadelphia and Baltimore.

Commercial arrangements, union contracts, relationships with port authorities, U.S. government- required security standards, U.S. Coast Guard oversight and the people running day-to-day operations at these ports will not change. Yes, two Sept. 11 hijackers were from the UAE. But lesser known is that when the Emirates government learned two of its own were part of the attack it committed troops to fight alongside American soldiers in Afghanistan.

No rationalizing about motives, no suggesting Israeli Mossad or CIA conspiracies, no avoiding responsibility. The UAE was the only Arab and Muslim country to stand shoulder to shoulder with the U.S -- a display all too rare in the Middle East.

The UAE is now hugely helpful in tracking terrorist funds, and intelligence officials confirm that Dubai serves as a waypoint from which the U.S. can more easily identify and understand who and what al Qaeda is deploying internationally.

When the Department of Homeland Security started the container security initiative to make sure cargo was reliably screened for radiological bombs, smuggled weapons or other terror threats, Dubai was the first foreign port to sign on. The country is a high traffic port of call for U.S. Navy ships, including aircraft carriers and submarines.

If we trust UAE ports to host our nuclear-powered vessels and we trust their cities with our sailors -- plus they enforce the highest cargo security measures set by the U.S. -- we should be able to trust them with basic port services like loading and unloading ships here.

In many ways, the UAE has emerged as just the kind of country the U.S. seeks to nurture in the Arab world -- religiously tolerant, economically open, balancing modern social and business forces with traditional Islamic values and lifestyles.

Politicians, perhaps reflecting what one conservative writer called "the dogs of anti-Arab prejudice" unleashed by a White House incessantly beating the war-on-terror drums, may have forgotten that the UAE is the closest to an ideal Arab partner the U.S. can rely on today and about as pro-American as you can get in the Arab world. If we cannot do business with the UAE, the U.S. has no real hope for any success among Muslim nations.

The love-hate relationship between the U.S. and the Arab world is sometimes summed up as half the people wanting to bomb American embassies and the other half wanting visas from them. Yet instead of holding up the UAE as a beacon of prosperity and diversity for more of the Middle East to emulate, the U.S. risks humiliating an ally and grouping tolerant Dubai with darker Islamic forces we hope to isolate or enlighten.

When a solid, reliable U.S. friend in the strategically important and politically volatile Middle East can't get fair, trusting treatment in Washington, there's no hope for winning the battle for the hearts, minds and future of the Arab world that we are now waging.

Richard Klein served in the U.S. Departments of State and Commerce and is now director for the Middle East and Arabian Gulf at Kissinger McLarty Associates in Washington.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dpworld; dubai; dwp; port; portdeal; ports; portsecurity; uae
Take a look at the map and see where the UAE is located in the Middle East. It doesn't get more strategic that that. There is a reason that President Bush has dug his heels in on this and that the deal is supported by the military. It makes no sense, at least to me, sticking Dubai and the UAE in the eye over this deal when the Chinese run the West Coast ports and the Saudis manage terminals in Houston. How do think this is all playing out on Al-Jazerra right now? Just imagine what a juicy plum all of you "No to the port deal" crowd are about to hand Osama and other of his ilk if the deal is blocked. Plays right into their hands and allows them to whip up more anti-US feelings. Add it all up and the downside of killing the port deal is pretty bad in terms of the long term. The security concerns are legit, but they are manageable. Do you honestly think that DWP operations isn't going to be getting an anal exam every day? And for all the talk about terrorists using DWP to inflitrate the US, what about the other direction? Maybe there is a reason the Intelligence community also supports the deal. Gives them another avenue to place their agents and do counterspy operations. So everyone needs to take a chill pill and take the long view.

Personally, I don't like the fact that an American asset is being managed by ANY foreign company, but until our politicians step up and removed all the tax, regulation and legal hurdles that prevent US companies from competing for this type of business I guess we all have to swallow our pride and accept the fact that foreigners are going to do the job. And by all accounts DWP does an outstanding job. Sad to realize that US ports and ships are being run by foreigners, and that this didn't happen overnight. Perhaps that is where the real debate should take place: what needs to done so that American companies can get back in the game? The answer should be interesting.

1 posted on 03/03/2006 11:05:59 AM PST by Tarnsman
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To: Tarnsman
This is a good summary of one side of the argument. I support it, but recognize that there are some troubling issues that aren't addressed such a strong anti-Americanism among the UAE people. That's something we have to expect anywhere while at war in the Middle East.

Tommy Franks says the UAE services more Navy ships outside the US than any port in the world. That we know the difference between a friend and an enemy and the UAE is our friend. Who to believe,... a few radio talk show motor mouths and Internet wannabe generals or General Franks?
2 posted on 03/03/2006 11:18:24 AM PST by elfman2
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To: Tarnsman

3 posted on 03/03/2006 11:20:27 AM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: Tarnsman

This article -- and your follow up post -- are probably about the most intelligent and accurate I have read regarding this deal.

Unfortunately, there are some that simply refuse to to listen to reason, even when all of the facts are laid out. It's very sad.


4 posted on 03/03/2006 11:20:28 AM PST by Tx Angel
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To: Tx Angel; Tarnsman

Its not very sad. There hasn't been much information put out there for us to judge. Its been mostly talking points, and more talking points, from both sides of the argument.

That said, this is a good article, the kind of information I'm looking for. I would like to know more about who is presently managing our ports, what "managing" them means, how does a change of ownership affect port operations if at all. That kind of dispassionate detail would help a lot of us to make up our minds, without the need to question our intelligence.


5 posted on 03/03/2006 11:36:54 AM PST by marron
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To: Tarnsman; elfman2; Howlin; Tx Angel
Nice piece, but he misses the most important aspect, which I'll attempt to state concisely here.

The president has to walk a narrow line between 1) convincing the Muslim world that this is a War on Terror as opposed to a War on Islam and 2) maintaining national security. He's really in a Catch-22, since he really can't explain this logic publicly for fear of showing his hand to the Muslim world. The west cannot afford to fight a billion Muslims now, so the best hope is to "divide and conquer." To that end, the president is going after the more radical elements of Islam (terrorists) with the WOT now with the hope of westernizing future generations of Muslims given the time and access to do so. In the mean time he needs to encourage the more moderate Islamic nations (like UAE)- treating them fairly in trade is one way to do that. This strategy is truly our only hope unless we're prepared to engage in mass genocide. The Muslim culture is not easily assimilated into a western society, so this will be a supremely difficult challenge. If we can't figure out how to do this, we're doomed to death, dhimmitude, or a lot of innocent blood on our hands.
6 posted on 03/03/2006 11:58:41 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: elfman2
such a strong anti-Americanism among the UAE people.

Hell, there is strong anti-Americanism among Congressional Democrats.

7 posted on 03/03/2006 12:19:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Which pales in comparison to college professor and wannabe high school geography teacher.


8 posted on 03/03/2006 6:09:16 PM PST by Tarnsman (BIG Recall question)
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To: elfman2

General Franks


9 posted on 03/03/2006 6:10:23 PM PST by scratcher
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To: Tarnsman

An excellent explanation of why we should use strategic thining, instead of hysteria, to make a decision.

Thanks for posting this.


10 posted on 03/04/2006 5:56:42 PM PST by FairOpinion (Real Conservatives do NOT help Dems get elected.)
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To: elfman2
"11 Nov 2000"
YEMEN:
Suspect Says Cole Attack Was Planned From Outside Yemen
A source close to the investigation said on Sunday that last month's deadly USS Cole attack was allegedly planned by an Arab man who telephoned the bombers from the United Arab Emirates. A suspect detained in Yemen said the attackers received their instructions and finances from the Arab man, a veteran of the 1980s Afghan war against the Soviets.
The detained suspect admitted purchasing the attack boat used in the bombing in the Emirates, said the source. He also bought a video camera to record the attack, but got nervous and left the city the day before the 12 October boat bombing. The Yemeni source did not say if the suspect met the mastermind while he was in the Emirates. He said the group worked in small cells of two or three people, and many suspects did not know each other.
Source
http://www.emergency.com/2000/usscole-bomb.htm
11 posted on 03/04/2006 7:02:05 PM PST by afz400
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To: Tarnsman

Excellent article.


12 posted on 03/04/2006 7:31:16 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: marron

We manage our ports through the local port authorities.

Foreigners control operations at some terminals.

We control security.


13 posted on 03/04/2006 7:54:32 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion

Thank you.


14 posted on 03/04/2006 8:14:17 PM PST by marron
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To: marron

You are welcome.

The same thing goes on at airports where foreign airlines operate their terminals but we control the airport.


15 posted on 03/04/2006 8:16:40 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Tarnsman
"Sad to realize that US ports and ships are being run by foreigners, and that this didn't happen overnight. Perhaps that is where the real debate should take place: what needs to done so that American companies can get back in the game? The answer should be interesting."

They are running terminals, not the ports. That said, I agree with your sentiments whole heartedly. Maybe we should look into slowly unwinding this and getting US companies only, in charge of these operations. Give them some incentives.

16 posted on 03/04/2006 8:22:54 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Tarnsman

Thanks for posting this article...


17 posted on 03/04/2006 8:57:14 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bush-Bot;WaterBucket Brigader;and fan of defconw)
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To: Tarnsman
Richard Klein served in the U.S. Departments of State and Commerce and is now director for the Middle East and Arabian Gulf at Kissinger McLarty Associates in Washington.

Kissinger Mclarty Associates? That's interesting; they are paid shills, though of course, in this case, their own corporate policy should come into play since they claim to do no work for foreign governments, only for foreign corporations.

18 posted on 03/05/2006 1:16:17 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: Tarnsman
After all, 80 percent of the ports in the United States are managed by foreign companies.

The race card again Sigh! Maybe someone should inform the author that it is the Arab nations that harbor the terrorists who threaten to kill us and impose an Islamic theocracy on the world.

We can't discriminate against Arabs blah blah.. Yes we can and should it is where the terrorist come from! Those that can't see the difference between Arab nations and other foreign nations need to pull their heads out!

19 posted on 03/05/2006 1:25:33 AM PST by hawkiye
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To: TheLion
The same thing goes on at airports where foreign airlines operate their terminals but we control the airport.

It might be a bit much to swallow, however, if we found that only the French were operating the American Airlines terminal, where US Mail comes in regularly.

20 posted on 03/05/2006 1:31:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: hawkiye

It's harder for Bush to sell an UAE to an American that knows that Bush's "It's a religion of peace!" is bull hockey. I wish The White House would get off this "it's a religion of peace" malarkey and start saying "well we don't really have any official statement as to what it is, but for jack sure if it is trying to attack us we are against it."


21 posted on 03/05/2006 1:35:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Tarnsman
...guess we all have to swallow our pride and accept the fact that foreigners are going to do the job

No, I'm afraid this isn't about pride. This is about national security. And some people have been 'bipartisanly' asleep at the wheel for way too long.


22 posted on 03/05/2006 7:31:03 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: Rockitz; Tarnsman; elfman2; Howlin; Tx Angel
Nice piece, but he misses the most important aspect, which I'll attempt to state concisely here.
 
The president has to walk a narrow line between 1) convincing the Muslim world that this is a War on Terror as opposed to a War on Islam and 2) maintaining national security. He's really in a Catch-22, since he really can't explain this logic publicly for fear of showing his hand to the Muslim world. The west cannot afford to fight a billion Muslims now, so the best hope is to "divide and conquer." To that end, the president is going after the more radical elements of Islam (terrorists) with the WOT now with the hope of westernizing future generations of Muslims given the time and access to do so. In the mean time he needs to encourage the more moderate Islamic nations (like UAE)- treating them fairly in trade is one way to do that. This strategy is truly our only hope unless we're prepared to engage in mass genocide. The Muslim culture is not easily assimilated into a western society, so this will be a supremely difficult challenge. If we can't figure out how to do this, we're doomed to death, dhimmitude, or a lot of innocent blood on our hands.-- Rockitz


Excellent points. (IMO, dhimmitude is a nonstarter, though.)

When uncharted territory of asymmetric netherworlds is the battlefield, when the enemy is brutal, subhuman and not detered by MAD, the threat of global conflagration is real. I've always secretly concluded--feared-- that because of this, mass genocide will necessarily be the endgame; it will be either preemptive to limit the death of innocents, or defensive when we are staring annihilation in the face.

The strategic importance of Dubai in fact and as a prototype is precisely why Bush should never have allowed this issue to develop in the first place. I say this for three reasons:

  1. The public cannot be moved on this one. The reaction is at gut level. Instinctive. When the survival mechanism kicks in, no amount of reasoned argument will work. Common sense and the survival instinct will trump arcane explanations every time. It is a lose-lose for the GOP.
  2. Bush is spending political capital he doesn't even have on a sure loser even as he bets the farm. His only remaining strong suit is now in play. You don't want to do this anytime, and certainly not post-9/11, not in an election year, not when the specter of 'clinton-the sequel' is looming large.
  3. Because American reaction was predictable to a certainty, the situation should have been avoided even if minds could be changed because once America reacts this way in front of the world, Dubai loses face irrespective of the final outcome.

What could Bush have been thinking? Was he thinking at all?

BREAKING! (video)-CLINTON IS A PAID AGENT OF THE CROWN PRINCE OF DUBAI: Dick Morris

23 posted on 03/05/2006 8:32:42 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

deterred ;)


24 posted on 03/05/2006 8:33:36 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Paul Ross
"Chinese-occupied commercial shipping facilities"

I'm sure that Gov Arnie would be very surprised to hear that China 'occupies' the port of LA . . .

Yah, and "Bush is Selling Ports to Arabs" too.

Lies and 'scary looking pictures' are not gonna win this argument for you -- you're gonna have to find some evidence of wrongdoing by the individuals running this company to kill the deal.

Ball's in your court.

25 posted on 03/05/2006 9:36:15 AM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: Rockitz

"This strategy is truly our only hope unless we're prepared to engage in mass genocide."

I agree with your overall summary - but this line stuck out for me. Those that oppose this deal need to think where this ends if we aren't careful - I know there are folk on FR who would be all up for a Crusade/Muslim Holocaust or whatever - but personally I would rather we find a smarter way. Many billion muslims are not going to vanish from the face of the planet overnight. We need to encourage muslimto bahave and act in a more secular manner (like say Turkey) and keep them away from the Iranian model (or worse the Taliban model!). Navigating this minefield is the greatest challenge facing us today.


26 posted on 03/05/2006 9:49:35 AM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: Dominic Harr

Here is why I have a problem with those who are still resisting this.

They claim this... that.... and they want it done the way they see it and they know they are right.

Well, this should point out that most of those people are that way due to one thing. Ignorance.

The DEAL IS ALREADY DONE. It is in effect. If you aren't aware of this, you really have no business telling others anything. (not meaning you specifically, DH)


27 posted on 03/05/2006 9:59:30 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (and miles to go before I sleep.)
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To: Mia T
IMO, dhimmitude is a nonstarter, though.

In the US, yes, but I can see this happening in european countries.

When uncharted territory of asymmetric netherworlds is the battlefield, when the enemy is brutal, subhuman and not detered by MAD, the threat of global conflagration is real. I've always secretly concluded--feared-- that because of this, mass genocide will necessarily be the endgame; it will be either preemptive to limit the death of innocents, or defensive when we are staring annihilation in the face.

God bless W. He really thinks he can save the world.

The strategic importance of Dubai in fact and as a prototype is precisely why Bush should never have allowed this issue to develop in the first place.

The PR was bungled badly and at least he cut off his direct conection to this early so he can back away in the end if it ends up being a loser. I keep harkening back to his first statement on this issue which was to the effect that he was "trying to conduct foreign policy here." I looked at his quote and knew I was right in my analysis.

28 posted on 03/06/2006 12:02:50 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Tarnsman

bttt


29 posted on 03/06/2006 12:05:00 AM PST by nopardons
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To: UCANSEE2

SPOT ON!


30 posted on 03/06/2006 12:06:31 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Rockitz

Regarding dhimmitude, I was talking US. Agree about Europe. (In fact, one could argue it's already happening there.) ;)

Regarding the ports, ignorance of the deal is no defense. The buck will always stop with the chief executive... and the perceived homeland-security softness (and cluelessness) will accrue to the GOP.

As for Bush "trying to conduct foreign policy here," surely he knows foreign policy and national defense and homeland security (and winning elections and winning the war) are not discrete entities. Sometimes keeping your eye on the ball prevents you from seeing the big picture. And sometimes 'sticking to your principles' results in a mental rigidity that results in flawed analyses.

It is unfortunate that all of Bush's successes fighting this war must be kept secret whereas all of his apparent goofs are exposed and embellished and repeated ad nauseam by the Democrats and their useful-idiot comrades in the press. The pressures on Bush must be enormous. It hurts to be critical of him. But sometimes we must.


31 posted on 03/06/2006 4:54:45 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T; Rockitz; Tarnsman; Howlin; Tx Angel
" The reaction is at gut level. Instinctive. When the survival mechanism kicks in, no amount of reasoned argument will work. Common sense and the survival instinct will trump arcane explanations every time… What could Bush have been thinking? Was he thinking at all?"

I think there’s a judgment underlying these choice of words that needs to be examined. The noble reverence associated with “gut level”, “instinctive”, “survival”, “common sense” verse “arcane explanations” isn’t supported. Alternatively, “gut level” could be described as “emotional”, “reactionary” and “short sighted”.

As conservatives, we promote policies that defy our gut level feelings, springing from experience and reason. For instance, guts gravitate toward an endless list of social programs, but our minds and experience guide us through more effective capitalist based economic policies.

The Bush doctrine was uniquely founded on robbing terrorists of state, political and financial support. That means not just militarily overthrowing the extremes like Saddam and the Taliban, but politically twisting arms to cripple their support and promoting stability through capitalism and freedom in fence sitting Muslim nations.

I’m sure Bush is aware that hardened islamist terrorists are undeterred by MAD, but he recognizes that we’d create many million more by the kind of aggression needed to bring most to submission. Instead, the Bush doctrine is to drain them of their life’s blood, isolating them into and ineffectual under funded underclass that neither prospers nor inspires others. One critical foundation of that is offer trade as an alternative to militancy to friendly nations, organizations and people.

“That’s” what Bush is thinking when he trusts his administrators to vet out Arab companies for exclusion from such things as terminal administration contracts. He probably assumed that after 4 years of debating the Bush doctrine, enough of America understood and bought into it so that he didn’t need a public relations liaison in each department reviewing each major contract like this. Looks like he was wrong.

I don’t know if this “terminal operations management lease” will go through in its current form. It’s a gold mine for opponents able to convince people reacting with their guts that it’s a “port purchases” by a pro-Taliban regime.

32 posted on 03/06/2006 5:38:28 AM PST by elfman2
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To: UCANSEE2
The DEAL IS ALREADY DONE. It is in effect. If you aren't aware of this, you really have no business telling others anything. (not meaning you specifically, DH)

:-)

It is interesting how these folks have somehow missed the point that the ball is in their court -- the burden of proof is on them.

33 posted on 03/06/2006 6:07:04 AM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: elfman2; Rockitz; Tarnsman; Howlin; Tx Angel
" The reaction is at gut level. Instinctive. When the survival mechanism kicks in, no amount of reasoned argument will work. Common sense and the survival instinct will trump arcane explanations every time… What could Bush have been thinking? Was he thinking at all?"--me

I think there's a judgment underlying these choice of words that needs to be examined. The noble reverence associated with "gut level", "instinctive", "survival", "common sense" verse "arcane explanations" isn't supported. Alternatively, "gut level" could be described as "emotional", "reactionary" and "short sighted".--you


"Survival instinct" isn't being ennobled. it just is. My point is we must recognize it and understand that it is not amenable to rational argument.

And, of course, the survival instinct is 'emotional' and 'reactionary' and 'short sighted.' If it were not all those things, it wouldn't work!


As conservatives, we promote policies that defy our gut level feelings, springing from experience and reason. For instance, guts gravitate toward an endless list of social programs, but our minds and experience guide us through more effective capitalist based economic policies.--you


That is all well and good, but the problem is not everyone is a conservative. To retain control of the prosecution of this war, we must convince NON-CONSERVATIVES that we are the better choice--indeed, that we are the only choice.



The Bush doctrine was uniquely founded on robbing terrorists of state, political and financial support. That means not just militarily overthrowing the extremes like Saddam and the Taliban, but politically twisting arms to cripple their support and promoting stability through capitalism and freedom in fence sitting Muslim nations.

I'm sure Bush is aware that hardened islamist terrorists are undeterred by MAD, but he recognizes that we'd create many million more by the kind of aggression needed to bring most to submission. Instead, the Bush doctrine is to drain them of their life's blood, isolating them into and ineffectual under funded underclass that neither prospers nor inspires others. One critical foundation of that is offer trade as an alternative to militancy to friendly nations, organizations and people.--you

I'm a great supporter of The Bush Doctrine. Get the Democrats elected, however, and you can kiss the Bush Doctrine goodbye.

The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)

by Mia T, 6.04.04

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The Bush Doctine is built on two pillars, one -- that the United States must maintain its absolute military superiority in every part of the world, and second -- that the United States has the right for preemptive action.

Now, both these propositions, taken on their own, are quite valid propositions, but if you put them together, they establish two kinds of sovereignty in the world, the sovereignty of the United States, which is inviolate, not subject to any international constraints, and the rest of the world, which is subject to the Bush Doctrine.

To me, it is reminiscent to [sic] George Orwell's "Animal Farm," that "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

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eorge Soros could not have more clearly enunciated the lethal danger that he and John Kerry and the clintons and the rest of his leftist cabal pose for America.

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"All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

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"Animal Farm" is George Orwell's satirical allegory of the Russian Revolution; but it could just as easily be the story of the Democratic Party of today, with the

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"That's" what Bush is thinking when he trusts his administrators to vet out Arab companies for exclusion from such things as terminal administration contracts. He probably assumed that after 4 years of debating the Bush doctrine, enough of America understood and bought into it so that he didn't need a public relations liaison in each department reviewing each major contract like this. Looks like he was wrong.

I don't know if this "terminal operations management lease" will go through in its current form. It's a gold mine for opponents able to convince people reacting with their guts that it's a "port purchases" by a pro-Taliban regime.--you


You underscore another criticism. It should have been obvious that this deal was much too easy to demagogue.

My personal view is that post-9/11, all vital infrastructure must be owned AND operated by American entities. Build trade relationships with the non-vital stuff. (For a humor break, check out posts 178, 179 and 180.)

People will always react with their gut on matters of survival. That's the way instincts were designed to work.

34 posted on 03/06/2006 7:09:43 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
""Survival instinct" isn't being ennobled. it just is. My point is we must recognize it and understand that it is not amenable to rational argument"

Survival instincts dictate things like fight or flight in face of a charging animal, not imposing new trade barriers on the UAE. That also involves some degree of reason.

If the opposition to this contract was just from the left, leverage our survival instincts against Bush, we could easily leverage them back by painting the left as playing politics with national security. But just as many conservatives don’t get this leg of the Bush Doctrine either, equating its opposition with “common sense”.

Now the administration has to not only paint the left as dangerous opportunists hijacking votes from demagoguery (a common perception), but much of the right as bull-headed reactionaries (another common perception). If done correctly, this is not a loser for Bush at all. Both oppositions are abhorrent to the survival instincts of the middle. It’s a big maybe, but Bush could end up once again turning the tables and coming off as very measured, principled and resolved while using the opportunity to educate America on the doctrine from which behind this war is executed.

35 posted on 03/06/2006 9:23:05 AM PST by elfman2
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To: elfman2
It’s a big maybe, but Bush could end up once again turning the tables and coming off as very measured, principled and resolved while using the opportunity to educate America on the doctrine from which behind this war is executed.

As I stated in my first post on this thread, from a diplomatic perspective, the president's hands are tied when it comes to telling the American people the true rationale behind his decision- the War on Terror is ultimately a War on Islam. The best he can hope for is that the talking heads bring it to light, the public understands, and the president is able to deny it publicly.

36 posted on 03/06/2006 10:34:33 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Brit_Guy
...a smarter way.

As Ann Coulter has stated prviously, we should convert them to Christianity. That's my preferred methodology and I'm quite certain that's what W is thinking too.

37 posted on 03/06/2006 11:15:21 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Rockitz
Rockitz, In a sense I agree with you and have posted similar statements, that OBL wanted to create a war between the West and Islamic nations, and Bush’s claim that Islam is a "religion of peace” is a half truth that's part of a struggle to avoid it.

Although in a larger philosophical sense this war is spawned from a figurative war between the enlightenment of the West and Islamic fundamentalism , that doesn’t translate a physical war against a religion. Just as we do not prosecute thoughts, no matter how twisted, we don’t declare war on ideas. We’re a free country, without any legal, military or historical recognition of the right to police beliefs. Islam as a religion is just that so we are not at war with it.

We are only at war with international terrorists and those who act to assist them. I agree that Bush has to walk a fine line to keep us from aligning Muslims, strategically avoiding actions that would punish our enemy in the sort run but radically alienate the Muslim world. But please don’t confuse that with us secretly being at war with Islam.

38 posted on 03/06/2006 11:45:28 AM PST by elfman2
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To: elfman2
I understand your points, but I believe Islam is different from most religions, because its followers are relatively uneducated and basically sheep under control of their shepherd- in this case the religious leaders such as ayatollahs, clerics, and imams. The problem is that ideas from the Koran are blatantly incompatible with a free democratic society (based on Judeo-Christian values) and any imam worth his salt will be able to rally the ignorant faithful to jihad based on any public statements against any aspect of Islam, i.e., the recent cartoon fiasco. I do believe it is possible to get educated Muslims to think about their religion the way many Christians and Catholics (sadly, I might add) do today- that is, it's just a religion and has nothing to do with the way I live my life or how I want to be governed.
39 posted on 03/06/2006 1:23:16 PM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Rockitz
"I do believe it is possible to get educated Muslims to think about their religion the way many Christians and Catholics (sadly, I might add) do today- that is, it's just a religion and has nothing to do with the way I live my life or how I want to be governed. "

I think all religions and ideologies are about how we live our lives, but recognize that Islam is more challenged to bend secular state institutions than most. That’s discussed in the short essay I last linked to.

40 posted on 03/06/2006 2:02:54 PM PST by elfman2
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To: Tarnsman

Director for the Middle East and Arabian Gulf at Kissinger McLarty Associates.

Henry Kissinger(who played a crucial role in 1972 talks with Chinese foreign minister Zhou Enlai that concluded with the "opening" of China ), Mac MaLarty( White House Chief of Staff for US President Bill Clinton who started America's resource giveaway to foreign countries)are "free traders" or "free traitors"?

Obviously, working for the folks he does, this author has a financial interest in overriding the consent of the governed and further entangling the US in agreements that undermine our sovereignty and give power to the global "players".
41 posted on 03/06/2006 2:17:23 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: elfman2
 

"Survival instinct" isn't being ennobled. it just is. My point is we must recognize it and understand that it is not amenable to rational argument.--me

 

Survival instincts dictate things like fight or flight in face of a charging animal, not imposing new trade barriers on the UAE. That also involves some degree of reason.

If the opposition to this contract was just from the left, leverage our survival instincts against Bush, we could easily leverage them back by painting the left as playing politics with national security. But just as many conservatives don't get this leg of the Bush Doctrine either, equating its opposition with "common sense".

Now the administration has to not only paint the left as dangerous opportunists hijacking votes from demagoguery (a common perception), but much of the right as bull-headed reactionaries (another common perception). If done correctly, this is not a loser for Bush at all. Both oppositions are abhorrent to the survival instincts of the middle. It's a big maybe, but Bush could end up once again turning the tables and coming off as very measured, principled and resolved while using the opportunity to educate America on the doctrine from which behind this war is executed.--you


The ports deal uproar is really not about trade. Survival is the undeniable subtext, which means instinct and common sense rule.

Common sense tells us that there are so many layers, so many variables, no one can possibly define--much less control--all possible risks.

Common sense tells us that dubious (no pun intended) characters and countries involved in vital infrastructure increase risk by definition.

(If you listened closely to Rush Limbaugh today, you would have heard him say that the ports deal doesn't increase risk appreciably. He did not say the ports deal is without increased risk.)

That the usual clintonoid suspects (clinton, clinton, Albright, Bill Cohen, Vernon Jordan) are in on the action should give you pause

DUBAI-ITIES:
HILLARY 'KNOWNOTHING VICTIM' CLINTON STRIKES AGAIN

42 posted on 03/06/2006 4:50:23 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
"The ports deal uproar is really not about trade. Survival is the undeniable subtext, which means instinct and common sense rule. Common sense tells us that there are so many layers, so many variables, no one can possibly define--much less control--all possible risks. Common sense tells us that dubious (no pun intended) characters and countries involved in vital infrastructure increase risk by definition."

Instinct is just a primitive drive that just tells us to do things like hold our breath when underwater.

Common sense is just simple lessons learned from experience. Common sense tells us that if we screw over an ally in war, we won’t have an ally.

Reason, rather than common sense has time on its side during a 45 day review period. Reason tells us that our success is dependent on containing Islamism from the wider Muslim world. OBL and friends bet the farm that we can’t act reasonably, and that we’ll sink to acting reactively and drive Islam to Islamism. I think most of us have enough common sense to avoid doing that.

43 posted on 03/06/2006 8:53:17 PM PST by elfman2
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To: elfman2
primitive drive

Precisely. The instinct to survive is arguably the most primitive.

You are looking at this as a well-informed citizen. Of the half of Americans who vote, most are uninformed or disinformed. Most are 'drive-by' voters. They will be impelled by instinct and a common sense mediated by that ignorance or disinformation. They will 'hold their breath' and vote for the lifeguard.

And as for 'screwing allies,' as I've argued before and elsewhere, the damage is already done. The uproar did the damage. The outcome of the uproar is irrelevant. Dubai has lost face in front of the entire world.

44 posted on 03/07/2006 2:39:02 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
"The uproar did the damage. The outcome of the uproar is irrelevant."

Maybe you know much more about Emirate society than I, but commons sense doesn’t support the first statement (if material) leading to the second. Another word for “uproar” is “battle”. Battles have two sides. Rather than just focus on the half empty side, notice the unprecedented praise, recognition and commitment to the UAE across the administration.

As you’ve noted, primitive cognition (instinct and to some degree common sense) is manipulated by fear, but there’s plenty to fear from the opponents. An alignment of the left and reactionary right can be made challenging to sell as lifeguards. Besides just fear, we offer hope and are more reasonable. We’ll see how that stands up to the opportunists and reactionaries over the next couple of months.

Anyone can pull off drive-bys. The left’s frequent resort to them is evidence of their losing hand and desperation. They’re reduced to accepting the consequences. 45 days of drive-bys risks a lot of backlash. The more I think about it, the less I’d tactically want to trade places with them

45 posted on 03/07/2006 6:20:03 AM PST by elfman2
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To: Tarnsman

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46 posted on 03/08/2006 4:02:29 PM PST by tentmaker
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