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Microsoft: Vista won't get a backdoor
Cnet ^ | 03/03/2006 | By Joris Evers

Posted on 03/04/2006 6:22:54 AM PST by Panerai

Windows Vista won't have a backdoor that could be used by police forces to get into encrypted files, Microsoft has stressed.

In February, a BBC News story suggested that the British government was in discussions with Microsoft over backdoor access to the operating system. A backdoor is a method of bypassing normal authentication to gain access to a computer without to the PC user knowing.

But Microsoft has now quelled the suggestion that law enforcement might get such access.

"Microsoft has not and will not put 'backdoors' into Windows," a company representative said in a statement sent via e-mail.

The discussion centers on BitLocker Drive Encryption, a planned security feature for Vista, the update to the Windows operating system. BitLocker encrypts data to protect it if the computer is lost or stolen.

This feature could make it harder for law enforcement agencies to get access to data on seized computers.

"The suggestion is that we are working with governments to create a back door so that they can always access BitLocker-encrypted data," Niels Ferguson, a developer and cryptographer at Microsoft, wrote Thursday on a corporate blog. "Over my dead body," he wrote in his post titled "Back-door nonsense."

Microsoft is talking to various governments about Vista. However, the talks are about using the new operating system and BitLocker for their own security, Ferguson wrote. "We also get questions from law enforcement organizations. They foresee that they will want to read BitLocker-encrypted data, and they want to be prepared," he wrote.

"Back doors are simply not acceptable," Ferguson wrote. "Besides, they wouldn't find anybody on this team willing to implement and test the back door."

Windows Vista, the successor to Windows XP, is slated to be available by year's end.


TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: backdoor; exploit; frontdoor; lowqualitycrap; os; securityflaw; vista; windows
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1 posted on 03/04/2006 6:22:59 AM PST by Panerai
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To: ShadowAce

ping.


2 posted on 03/04/2006 6:24:26 AM PST by jdm
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To: Panerai

Yeah, right. I'm sure that'll happen.


3 posted on 03/04/2006 6:26:34 AM PST by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: Panerai
"Besides, they wouldn't find anybody on this team willing to implement and test the back door." unless they granted more options, of course.
4 posted on 03/04/2006 6:26:43 AM PST by King Moonracer
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To: Panerai

I wasn't worried about it until Microsoft assured us that it wasn't going to happen.


5 posted on 03/04/2006 6:27:17 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Panerai
"Windows Vista, the successor to Windows XP, is slated to be available by year's end."

Gee--I guess that's about the time I'll finally get around to upgrading to XP.

6 posted on 03/04/2006 6:28:40 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Panerai
Niels Ferguson, a developer and cryptographer at Microsoft, wrote Thursday on a corporate blog. "Over my dead body,"

As if that's some type of giant 'obstacle'...

7 posted on 03/04/2006 6:35:10 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: ShadowAce; N3WBI3

pings


8 posted on 03/04/2006 6:39:36 AM PST by clyde asbury
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To: Panerai

They don't need to add a back door because there will already be several included in the initial release!


9 posted on 03/04/2006 6:43:00 AM PST by e_castillo
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To: Panerai

I miss Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.


10 posted on 03/04/2006 6:43:34 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup

I don't.


11 posted on 03/04/2006 6:53:01 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Panerai

Hackers willl have one in about a week.


12 posted on 03/04/2006 6:57:25 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Panerai

Anyone want to bet how long it will be before they cave in to China's demand for a "back door"?


13 posted on 03/04/2006 7:06:12 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Panerai
"Microsoft has not and will not put 'backdoors' into Windows," a company representative said in a statement sent via e-mail.

Nope, they will just use a frontdoor, sidedoor, trapdoor, window ...

14 posted on 03/04/2006 7:09:45 AM PST by Codeograph
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To: Panerai

It is to laugh.


15 posted on 03/04/2006 7:10:28 AM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: Codeograph
Nope, they will just use a frontdoor, sidedoor, trapdoor, window ...

...porthole, tunnel, worm hole, conduit, passage, gaping hole...

16 posted on 03/04/2006 7:14:09 AM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: Panerai
Is this like the "NSA Key"?
17 posted on 03/04/2006 7:14:50 AM PST by King Moonracer
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To: mkjessup

"I miss Windows 3.11 for Workgroups."

Oh, not me. It was OK for its time, but that time has passed.


18 posted on 03/04/2006 7:14:59 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: null and void

...hatch, gateway, arch...


19 posted on 03/04/2006 7:15:25 AM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: Panerai
"Microsoft has not and will not put 'backdoors' into Windows,"

That's like the feds saying they're not going to add a Mexican border crossing in order to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.

Windows is a security sieve. The government just has to know about the exploits before the general public does. In Microsloth's case, since they are refuse to voluntarily publicize flaws and are slow to fix them, that window of opportunity is quite large indeed.

20 posted on 03/04/2006 7:19:28 AM PST by impatient
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To: Panerai

..I bet you can still crack any security with Linux...


21 posted on 03/04/2006 7:20:02 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: impatient
"Microsoft has not and will not put 'backdoors' into Windows,"
That's like the feds saying they're not going to add a Mexican border crossing in order to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.

LOL! Ain't that the truth.

22 posted on 03/04/2006 2:06:16 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Wonder Warthog

" Gee--I guess that's about the time I'll finally get around to upgrading to XP."

What's XP, I thought Windows 95 was still cutting edge.


23 posted on 03/04/2006 2:11:44 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

24 posted on 03/04/2006 4:55:44 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: impatient
Windows is a security sieve.

I'm one of Windows' biggest critics here, but even I have to admit that from all the tech articles I've read Vista will be a LOT more secure than XP or 2K3.

But whether that relative leap of security will leave it being more secure than OS X or Windows is another matter.

25 posted on 03/04/2006 5:23:42 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Panerai
And check out this video (and part 2) of all the new, innovative features Microsoft will be putting into Vista!
26 posted on 03/04/2006 5:27:00 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
But whether that relative leap of security will leave it being more secure than OS X or Windows is another matter.

You mean Linux, right? 8^)

27 posted on 03/04/2006 5:31:04 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
You mean Linux, right? 8^)

Fingers faster than brain. I actually meant to write *NIX.

28 posted on 03/04/2006 7:00:20 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yes, this is true...

Tried (and use) Linux, Tried FreeBSD (and use the Live CD). Haven't tried commercial *nix.

I suppose I'm not that hardcore--yet...

29 posted on 03/04/2006 7:10:46 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: antiRepublicrat

yes, for digitial rights management - to lock down media content for the MPAA and RIAA. they can keep it.


30 posted on 03/04/2006 7:15:10 PM PST by oceanview
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To: antiRepublicrat
that first vid was downright confusing.

And I thought X-windows was a bloated pig of an application!

31 posted on 03/04/2006 9:25:34 PM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I'm one of Windows' biggest critics here, but even I have to admit that from all the tech articles I've read Vista will be a LOT more secure than XP or 2K3.

Is that not the exact same thing they were saying about XP before it was released?

32 posted on 03/04/2006 9:28:26 PM PST by TechJunkYard (DMCA: Don't Make Content Accessable)
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To: antiRepublicrat

omfg lmao... is that video for real? the screaming is just hilarious! a Deniac moment! lmao


33 posted on 03/04/2006 9:30:04 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: Panerai

IMHO, backdoors would be stupid. Anything they deliberately put in for government could probably be exploited more efficiently and effectively by bad guys anyway.


34 posted on 03/04/2006 9:32:25 PM PST by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: Panerai

It will have backdoors and it will include heavier DRM that will police what you computer will allow you to listen to, watch or do in general on top of the OS. Big brother comes home with you and sets up shop as it were. Just gives you the warm fuzzies doesn't it.


35 posted on 03/04/2006 9:36:59 PM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: TechJunkYard

No. XP's jump was stability and usability, bringing 98's ability to run games to NT4's better core, it was more secure than 98 but slightly less secure than NT4. 2K3's was security, and 2K3 is pretty secure, unfortunately they implemented all the security in ways that annoy the hell out of the user so the first thing almost everybody does is turn 90% of that crap off, but if you leave it alone it's pretty secure.


36 posted on 03/04/2006 9:44:43 PM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: Panerai

Anybody who believes that, stand on your head.


37 posted on 03/04/2006 9:48:22 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Panerai
"Microsoft has not and will not put 'backdoors' into Windows,[that we are going to tell you about]. I mean who would encrypt stuff we want to find out and sell to targeted marketers if they KNEW we could read it? Duh!" a company representative said in a statement sent via e-mail.

The pre-edited statements of the press liason.

38 posted on 03/05/2006 9:35:14 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Gee--I guess that's about the time I'll finally get around to upgrading to XP.

When referring to Microsnot products, it's proper etiquette to place "upgrading" in quotes.

39 posted on 03/05/2006 9:37:46 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: TechJunkYard
Is that not the exact same thing they were saying about XP before it was released?

Of course, and they were lying, since XP is just NT 5.1, but it is a pretty big leap to NT 6, with major changes under the hood. Of course there will be vulnerabilities, but I think MS finally realized it was getting its ass kicked in the security area.

40 posted on 03/05/2006 10:21:02 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: zeugma
that first vid was downright confusing.

Maybe because the voice-over used Microsoft's terms for the "new, innovative" technology in Vista, but the video was of somebody doing everything in OS X.

41 posted on 03/05/2006 10:27:49 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Cinnamon
omfg lmao... is that video for real? the screaming is just hilarious! a Deniac moment! lmao

Screaming? Are watching the same video? And check out this one, if Microsoft made the iPod packaging.

42 posted on 03/05/2006 10:27:55 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I didn't have the audio on. It looked like OSX to me though I have really limited experience with it. Frankly, I don't really care very much for the magnifying effects shown. Seems like a major waste of processing power if it is done on the CPU rather than the GPU. I guess other folks like it though, so whatever works for them...

 

43 posted on 03/05/2006 11:46:58 AM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: zeugma
Seems like a major waste of processing power if it is done on the CPU rather than the GPU.

The entire compositing engine is on the GPU, but there's still a little work done on the CPU. You can enable Quartz 2D Extreme in 10.4 with a newer video card to make your whole screen basically one big OpenGL scene, done entirely on the video card except for the small commands issued by the CPU.

44 posted on 03/05/2006 12:13:32 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
You can enable Quartz 2D Extreme in 10.4 with a newer video card to make your whole screen basically one big OpenGL scene, done entirely on the video card except for the small commands issued by the CPU.

I must admit that is fairly cool. Still, having things flying about the screen like a flock of seagulls surrounding a shrimp boat would probably annoy me somewhat :-)

One of the best things about this type of thing though is it will keep GPU manufacturers interested in supporting OpenGL. I'm sure there is a big push fromo MS to get them to abandon it in favor of some proprietary graphics engines. I admit that I don't really follow such things very closely, as I'm not into the gaming thing. I'm fairly happy if GLXGears works reasonably well. ;-) 

45 posted on 03/05/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: zeugma

It's an OS X clone... I have a MAC with OS X... I screaming at the monitor when I saw the video. what an fn rip off


46 posted on 03/05/2006 2:06:34 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: zeugma
Still, having things flying about the screen like a flock of seagulls surrounding a shrimp boat would probably annoy me somewhat

It works in context, because Apple designed the whole interface with this stuff, instead of just sticking it in as eye candy. You can turn much of it off anyway. I think the reason Apple stores are working so well is that once most people sit down to play with OS X for a little bit they're hooked.

47 posted on 03/05/2006 2:49:16 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Cinnamon

That video is someone showing off OS X features to the voiceover of someone introducing Vista "features". They're just trying to show that Vista is ripping off OSX.4

The second video gives it away when talking about parental controls the voiceover says "toby" and the mouse is pointing at some other name.

So it's not a clone, it's the true OSX in the video. Windows Vista is totally different aesthetically, but functionally a clone of OSX (with more security vulnerabilities, of course).


48 posted on 03/06/2006 6:26:19 AM PST by youngtechster ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C. Clarke)
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To: TechJunkYard
Is that not the exact same thing they were saying about XP before it was released?

Vista is built on the 2K3 codebase. And security on that platform has been pretty damned good, in my experience.
49 posted on 03/06/2006 5:52:08 PM PST by DemosCrash
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To: Cinnamon; zeugma
It's an OS X clone... I have a MAC with OS X... I screaming at the monitor when I saw the video. what an fn rip off

So what. Millions of people will use it and enjoy it. What's left is just the rantings of geeks decrying the lack of "innovation". As if that ever counted for anything.
50 posted on 03/06/2006 5:53:47 PM PST by DemosCrash
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