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217th Anniversary United States Constitution (day it went into effect March 4, 1789)
National Archives and Infoplease ^ | March 4, 2006 | Constitutional Convention of 12 Delegates

Posted on 03/04/2006 12:31:39 PM PST by bd476

We, the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The Federal Convention convened in the State House (Independence Hall) in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise the Articles of Confederation. Because the delegations from only two states were at first present, the members adjourned from day to day until a quorum of seven states was obtained on May 25.

Through discussion and debate it became clear by mid-June that, rather than amend the existing Articles, the Convention would draft an entirely new frame of government.

All through the summer, in closed sessions, the delegates debated, and redrafted the articles of the new Constitution.

Among the chief points at issue were how much power to allow the central government, how many representatives in Congress to allow each state, and how these representatives should be elected--directly by the people or by the state legislators.

The work of many minds, the Constitution stands as a model of cooperative statesmanship and the art of compromise.




A More Perfect Union:
The Creation of the U.S. Constitution


May 25, 1787, Freshly spread dirt covered the cobblestone street in front of the Pennsylvania State House, protecting the men inside from the sound of passing carriages and carts.

Guards stood at the entrances to ensure that the curious were kept at a distance. Robert Morris of Pennsylvania, the "financier" of the Revolution, opened the proceedings with a nomination--Gen. George Washington for the presidency of the Constitutional Convention.

The vote was unanimous. With characteristic ceremonial modesty, the general expressed his embarrassment at his lack of qualifications to preside over such an august body and apologized for any errors into which he might fall in the course of its deliberations.

To many of those assembled, especially to the small, boyish-looking, 36-year-old delegate from Virginia, James Madison, the general's mere presence boded well for the convention, for the illustrious Washington gave to the gathering an air of importance and legitimacy But his decision to attend the convention had been an agonizing one. The Father of the Country had almost remained at home.

Suffering from rheumatism, despondent over the loss of a brother, absorbed in the management of Mount Vernon, and doubting that the convention would accomplish very much or that many men of stature would attend, Washington delayed accepting the invitation to attend for several months.

Torn between the hazards of lending his reputation to a gathering perhaps doomed to failure and the chance that the public would view his reluctance to attend with a critical eye, the general finally agreed to make the trip. James Madison was pleased.




General George Washington was unanimously
elected president of the Philadelphia convention.



The Articles of Confederation

The determined Madison had for several years insatiably studied history and political theory searching for a solution to the political and economic dilemmas he saw plaguing America.

The Virginian's labors convinced him of the futility and weakness of confederacies of independent states. America's own government under the Articles of Confederation, Madison was convinced, had to be replaced.

In force since 1781, established as a "league of friendship" and a constitution for the 13 sovereign and independent states after the Revolution, the articles seemed to Madison woefully inadequate. With the states retaining considerable power, the central government, he believed, had insufficient power to regulate commerce.

It could not tax and was generally impotent in setting commercial policy It could not effectively support a war effort. It had little power to settle quarrels between states. Saddled with this weak government, the states were on the brink of economic disaster.

The evidence was overwhelming. Congress was attempting to function with a depleted treasury; paper money was flooding the country, creating extraordinary inflation--a pound of tea in some areas could be purchased for a tidy $100; and the depressed condition of business was taking its toll on many small farmers. Some of them were being thrown in jail for debt, and numerous farms were being confiscated and sold for taxes.

In 1786 some of the farmers had fought back. Led by Daniel Shays, a former captain in the Continental army, a group of armed men, sporting evergreen twigs in their hats, prevented the circuit court from sitting at Northampton, MA, and threatened to seize muskets stored in the arsenal at Springfield.

Although the insurrection was put down by state troops, the incident confirmed the fears of many wealthy men that anarchy was just around the corner. Embellished day after day in the press, the uprising made upper-class Americans shudder as they imagined hordes of vicious outlaws descending upon innocent citizens.

From his idyllic Mount Vernon setting, Washington wrote to Madison: "Wisdom and good examples are necessary at this time to rescue the political machine from the impending storm."

Madison thought he had the answer. He wanted a strong central government to provide order and stability. "Let it be tried then," he wrote, "whether any middle ground can be taken which will at once support a due supremacy of the national authority," while maintaining state power only when "subordinately useful."

The resolute Virginian looked to the Constitutional Convention to forge a new government in this mold.

The convention had its specific origins in a proposal offered by Madison and John Tyler in the Virginia assembly that the Continental Congress be given power to regulate commerce throughout the Confederation.

Through their efforts in the assembly a plan was devised inviting the several states to attend a convention at Annapolis, MD, in September 1786 to discuss commercial problems. Madison and a young lawyer from New York named Alexander Hamilton issued a report on the meeting in Annapolis, calling upon Congress to summon delegates of all of the states to meet for the purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation.

Although the report was widely viewed as a usurpation of congressional authority, the Congress did issue a formal call to the states for a convention. To Madison it represented the supreme chance to reverse the country's trend. And as the delegations gathered in Philadelphia, its importance was not lost to others.

The squire of Gunston Hall, George Mason, wrote to his son, "The Eyes of the United States are turned upon this Assembly and their Expectations raised to a very anxious Degree. May God Grant that we may be able to gratify them, by establishing a wise and just Government."

The Delegates

Seventy-four delegates were appointed to the convention, of which 55 actually attended sessions. Rhode Island was the only state that refused to send delegates. Dominated by men wedded to paper currency, low taxes, and popular government, Rhode Island's leaders refused to participate in what they saw as a conspiracy to overthrow the established government.

Other Americans also had their suspicions. Patrick Henry, of the flowing red Glasgow cloak and the magnetic oratory, refused to attend, declaring he "smelt a rat." He suspected, correctly, that Madison had in mind the creation of a powerful central government and the subversion of the authority of the state legislatures. Henry along with many other political leaders, believed that the state governments offered the chief protection for personal liberties.

He was determined not to lend a hand to any proceeding that seemed to pose a threat to that protection.

With Henry absent, with such towering figures as Jefferson and Adams abroad on foreign missions, and with John Jay in New York at the Foreign Office, the convention was without some of the country's major political leaders. It was, nevertheless, an impressive assemblage.

In addition to Madison and Washington, there were Benjamin Franklin of Pennsylvania--crippled by gout, the 81-year-old Franklin was a man of many dimensions printer, storekeeper, publisher, scientist, public official, philosopher, diplomat, and ladies' man; James Wilson of Pennsylvania--a distinguished lawyer with a penchant for ill-advised land-jobbing schemes, which would force him late in life to flee from state to state avoiding prosecution for debt, the Scotsman brought a profound mind steeped in constitutional theory and law; Alexander Hamilton of New York--a brilliant, ambitious former aide-de-camp and secretary to Washington during the Revolution who had, after his marriage into the Schuyler family of New York, become a powerful political figure; George Mason of Virginia--the author of the Virginia Bill of Rights whom Jefferson later called "the Cato of his country without the avarice of the Roman"; John Dickinson of Delaware--the quiet, reserved author of the "Farmers' Letters" and chairman of the congressional committee that framed the articles; and Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania-- well versed in French literature and language, with a flair and bravado to match his keen intellect, who had helped draft the New York State Constitution and had worked with Robert Morris in the Finance Office.

There were others who played major roles - Oliver Ellsworth of Connecticut; Edmund Randolph of Virginia; William Paterson of New Jersey; John Rutledge of South Carolina; Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts; Roger Sherman of Connecticut; Luther Martin of Maryland; and the Pinckneys, Charles and Charles Cotesworth, of South Carolina. Franklin was the oldest member and Jonathan Dayton, the 27-year-old delegate from New Jersey was the youngest.

The average age was 42. Most of the delegates had studied law, had served in colonial or state legislatures, or had been in the Congress. Well versed in philosophical theories of government advanced by such philosophers as James Harrington, John Locke, and Montesquieu, profiting from experience gained in state politics, the delegates composed an exceptional body, one that left a remarkably learned record of debate.

Fortunately we have a relatively complete record of the proceedings, thanks to the indefatigable James Madison. Day after day, the Virginian sat in front of the presiding officer, compiling notes of the debates, not missing a single day or a single major speech.

He later remarked that his self-confinement in the hall, which was often oppressively hot in the Philadelphia summer, almost killed him.

The sessions of the convention were held in secret--no reporters or visitors were permitted. Although many of the naturally loquacious members were prodded in the pubs and on the streets, most remained surprisingly discreet. To those suspicious of the convention, the curtain of secrecy only served to confirm their anxieties. Luther Martin of Maryland later charged that the conspiracy in Philadelphia needed a quiet breeding ground.

Thomas Jefferson wrote John Adams from Paris, "I am sorry they began their deliberations by so abominable a precedent as that of tying up the tongues of their members."

The Virginia Plan

On Tuesday morning, May 29, Edmund Randolph, the tall, 34-year- old governor of Virginia, opened the debate with a long speech decrying the evils that had befallen the country under the Articles of Confederation and stressing the need for creating a strong national government. Randolph then outlined a broad plan that he and his Virginia compatriots had, through long sessions at the Indian Queen tavern, put together in the days preceding the convention.

James Madison had such a plan on his mind for years. The proposed government had three branches--legislative, executive, and judicial--each branch structured to check the other. Highly centralized, the government would have veto power over laws enacted by state legislatures.

The plan, Randolph confessed, "meant a strong consolidated union in which the idea of states should be nearly annihilated." This was, indeed, the rat so offensive to Patrick Henry.

The introduction of the so-called Virginia Plan at the beginning of the convention was a tactical coup. The Virginians had forced the debate into their own frame of reference and in their own terms.

For 10 days the members of the convention discussed the sweeping and, to many delegates, startling Virginia resolutions. The critical issue, described succinctly by Gouverneur Morris on May 30, was the distinction between a federation and a national government, the "former being a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties; the latter having a compleat and compulsive operation."

Morris favored the latter, a "supreme power" capable of exercising necessary authority not merely a shadow government, fragmented and hopelessly ineffective.

The New Jersey Plan

This nationalist position revolted many delegates who cringed at the vision of a central government swallowing state sovereignty. On June 13 delegates from smaller states rallied around proposals offered by New Jersey delegate William Paterson.

Railing against efforts to throw the states into "hotchpot," Paterson proposed a "union of the States merely federal." The "New Jersey resolutions" called only for a revision of the articles to enable the Congress more easily to raise revenues and regulate commerce. It also provided that acts of Congress and ratified treaties be "the supreme law of the States."

For 3 days the convention debated Paterson's plan, finally voting for rejection. With the defeat of the New Jersey resolutions, the convention was moving toward creation of a new government, much to the dismay of many small-state delegates.

The nationalists, led by Madison, appeared to have the proceedings in their grip. In addition, they were able to persuade the members that any new constitution should be ratified through conventions of the people and not by the Congress and the state legislatures- -another tactical coup.

Madison and his allies believed that the constitution they had in mind would likely be scuttled in the legislatures, where many state political leaders stood to lose power. The nationalists wanted to bring the issue before "the people," where ratification was more likely.

Hamilton's Plan

On June 18 Alexander Hamilton presented his own ideal plan of government. Erudite and polished, the speech, nevertheless, failed to win a following. It went too far. Calling the British government "the best in the world," Hamilton proposed a model strikingly similar an executive to serve during good behavior or life with veto power over all laws; a senate with members serving during good behavior; the legislature to have power to pass "all laws whatsoever."

Hamilton later wrote to Washington that the people were now willing to accept "something not very remote from that which they have lately quitted."

What the people had "lately quitted," of course, was monarchy. Some members of the convention fully expected the country to turn in this direction. Hugh Williamson of North Carolina, a wealthy physician, declared that it was "pretty certain . . . that we should at some time or other have a king."

Newspaper accounts appeared in the summer of 1787 alleging that a plot was under way to invite the second son of George III, Frederick, Duke of York, the secular bishop of Osnaburgh in Prussia, to become "king of the United States."

Alexander Hamilton on June 18 called the British government "the best in the world" and proposed a model strikingly similar. The erudite New Yorker, however, later became one of the most ardent spokesmen for the new Constitution.


Continuing "A More Perfect Union" on The National Archives





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The oldest federal constitution in existence was framed by a convention of delegates from twelve of the thirteen original states in Philadelphia in May 1787, Rhode Island failing to send a delegate. George Washington presided over the session, which lasted until September 17, 1787. The draft (originally a preamble and seven Articles) was submitted to all thirteen states and was to become effective when ratified by nine states. It went into effect on the first Wednesday in March 1789, having been ratified by New Hampshire, the ninth state to approve, on June 21, 1788. The states ratified the Constitution in the following order:


U.S. Constitution on Infoplease

Delaware December 7, 1787
Pennsylvania December 12, 1787
New Jersey December 18, 1787
Georgia January 2, 1788
Connecticut January 9, 1788
Massachusetts February 6, 1788
Maryland April 28, 1788
South Carolina May 23, 1788
New Hampshire June 21, 1788
Virginia June 25, 1788
New York July 26, 1788
North Carolina November 21, 1789
Rhode Island May 29, 1790

1 posted on 03/04/2006 12:31:42 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

What's the Constitution?

Is that some sort of new reality show?


2 posted on 03/04/2006 12:33:07 PM PST by frankiep
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You can learn more by going here



National Archives, Research Room
Source: National Archives and Records Administration


or by going here: Democracy Starts Here

3 posted on 03/04/2006 12:38:28 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476
Good Post.


4 posted on 03/04/2006 12:39:12 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: frankiep
frankiep wrote: "What's the Constitution?"


Good question, Frankie. Here is your answer.

5 posted on 03/04/2006 12:42:37 PM PST by bd476
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To: darkwing104
Thanks Darkwing. :-)

6 posted on 03/04/2006 12:44:22 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476; frankiep
In the era of judicial activism, an answer nearer the truth is that this is the Constitution.
7 posted on 03/04/2006 12:48:48 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: bd476
I strongly recommend Decision in Philadelphia: The Constitutional Convention of 1787 by Christopher Collier and James Lincoln Collier.

While most books about the Constitutional Convention tell the story chronologically, this book tells the story by thread. For example, every day at the Convention many different issues were discussed. A decision on one issue would have repercussions on an adjacent issue. By following an issue as a thread, one can see how certain compromises were reached and how certain individuals became significant players at the Convention. There is a chronological factor, but the book handles that as parallel threads.

It's well written and a gread read.

8 posted on 03/04/2006 12:50:32 PM PST by Publius
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To: bd476
Alexander Hamilton on June 18 called the British government "the best in the world" and proposed a model strikingly similar.

Thank God James Madison and James Wilson were present to infuse some sense and rationality to the convention. The former being in contact with Thomas J throughout the proceedings.

9 posted on 03/04/2006 12:56:14 PM PST by jla (Urge Mike Pence to run for POTUS in '08: http://mikepence.house.gov)
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To: bd476

2006 - 1789 = 217.


10 posted on 03/04/2006 12:57:38 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: Neanderthal; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
Thanks Neanderthal. Someone must have also let the Mods know because it has been fixed. Thanks Mods!

11 posted on 03/04/2006 1:02:53 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

The American System began when the Colonial Governments (British) left the Colonies sometime in 1776 and returned to England. It ended 0n March 14, 1789, the day the new government (USofA) began to operate. Approximately 13 years of freedom created wealth for citizens heretofore unknown to mankind. Such economic freedom has never been created since those 13 years.


12 posted on 03/04/2006 1:15:06 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: Cyclopean Squid
Cyclopean Squid wrote: "In the era of judicial activism, an answer nearer the truth is that this is the Constitution."


Thanks Cyclopean Squid.

Your link goes to the Supreme Court of the United States website and the link works.

However the link for the United States Constitution found there goes to the US Constitution at the National Archives website already referenced and posted above.


13 posted on 03/04/2006 1:22:43 PM PST by bd476
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To: Publius
Thank you for your excellent recommendation, Publius. It sounds like a book well worth buying for reading and for future reference.

14 posted on 03/04/2006 1:27:01 PM PST by bd476
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To: Publius; jla; Blake#1; Cyclopean Squid; agitator
Recently Ron Chernow, the author of Alexander Hamilton was interviewed on a local talk radio station. The interview was fascinating as Chernow recounted Alexander Hamilton's extensive contributions to our country.

From Publisher's Weekly Review:

"...Alexander Hamilton (1755–1804) created public finance in the United States. In fact, it's arguable that without Hamilton's political and financial strategic brilliance, the United States might not have survived beyond its early years.

Chernow's achievement is to give us a biography commensurate with Hamilton's character, as well as the full, complex context of his unflaggingly active life..."


From Amazon.com's Review:

"...A defender of the union against New England secession and an opponent of slavery, Hamilton has a special appeal to modern sensibilities. Chernow argues that in contrast to Jefferson and Washington’s now outmoded agrarian idealism, Hamilton was "the prophet of the capitalist revolution" and the true forebear of modern America.

In his Prologue, he writes: "In all probability, Alexander Hamilton is the foremost figure in American history who never attained the presidency, yet he probably had a much deeper and more lasting impact than many who did." With Alexander Hamilton, this impact can now be more widely appreciated..."


From the Washington Post's Book World review by Michael Lind:

"...According to Chernow, "Hamilton supervised the entire Federalist project. He dreamed up the idea, enlisted the participants, wrote the overwhelming bulk of the essays, and oversaw the publication."

While romantic agrarians like Jefferson dreamed of an isolationist America uncorrupted by manufacturing, Hamilton realized that to survive in a world of rival great powers the United States would have to adopt selected elements of the economic and military policies of Britain and France...

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...Hamilton went on to oversee the creation of the First Bank of the United States, the ancestor of today's Federal Reserve.

Even more important for America's future prosperity were Hamilton's plans for government-encouraged industrial capitalism...

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...But in his Report on Manufactures (1791), he made the classic "infant-industry" argument that American industries needed assistance from the federal government if they were to catch up with British manufacturing.

Hamilton's most important successors in American politics were Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln, who, as president, presided over the enactment of Hamiltonian policies such as federal investment in railroads, national banking and support for U.S. industries by means of high tariffs (Hamilton himself had preferred "bounties" or subsidies to infant industries as an alternative to tariffs)..."

Continuing on Amazon.com Editorial Reviews: Alexander Hamilton


15 posted on 03/04/2006 2:14:35 PM PST by bd476
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I would also recommend Alexander Hamilton: A Biography by Forrest McDonald. Professor McDonald teaches American History at the University of Alabama, and his work is eminently readable. McDonald is a conservative historian in the sense that he is a Hamiltonian conservative, rather than a Jeffersonian conservative.

I would also recommend The Young Hamilton: A Biography by James Thomas Flexner. In this book, one sees the young Hamilton as a businessman in the West Indies, long before he came to study law and become a player at the Convention.

16 posted on 03/04/2006 3:20:16 PM PST by Publius
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To: bd476
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17 posted on 03/04/2006 3:36:31 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: bd476
Highly centralized, the government would have veto power over laws enacted by state legislatures.

This remark is not accurate, or at least, not complete.

Highly centralized, the government would have veto power over laws enacted by state legislatures in the areas enumerated in the Constitution. < This is accurate.

A small difference in words can make a big difference in meaning.

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In January 1800, the entire House went to the state legislature of Virginia. Both Virginia and Kentucky had petitioned the new federal government that the recent Alien and Sedition Act was unconstitutional. Madison wrote the report: James Madison, Report on the Virginia Resolutions

The resolution declares, first, that "it views the powers of the federal government as resulting from the compact to which the states are parties;" in other words, that the federal powers are derived from the Constitution; and that the Constitution is a compact to which the states are parties. Clear as the position must seem, that the federal powers are derived from the Constitution, and from that alone, the committee are not unapprised of a late doctrine which opens another source of federal powers, not less extensive and important than it is new and unexpected. The examination of this doctrine will be most conveniently connected with a review of a succeeding resolution. The committee satisfy themselves here with briefly remarking that, in all the contemporary discussions and comments which the Constitution underwent, it was constantly justified and recommended on the ground that the powers not given to the government were withheld from it; and that, if any doubt could have existed on this subject, under the original text of the Constitution, it is removed, as far as words could remove it, by the 12th amendment, now a part of the Constitution, which expressly declares, "that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

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However true, therefore, it may be, that the judicial department is, in all questions submitted to it by the forms of the Constitution, to decide in the last resort, this resort must necessarily be deemed the last in relation to the authorities of the other departments of the government; not in relation to the rights of the parties to the constitutional compact, from which the judicial, as well as the other departments, hold their delegated trusts. On any other hypothesis, the delegation of judicial power would annul the authority delegating it; and the concurrence of this department with the others in usurped powers, might subvert forever, and beyond the possible reach of any rightful remedy, the very Constitution which all were instituted to preserve.

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There is a helleva difference between the appellate (appeals) jurisdiction granted in the Constitution and 'veto power over laws enacted by state legislatures'.

That implies the federal government has an authority it actually doesn't possess.

18 posted on 03/04/2006 3:56:59 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity', nor am I a *person* as created by law.)
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To: bd476

As a Bureaucrat Hamilton helped the American System. No where does Hamilton explain the fabulous economic success achieved in the 13 years from 1776 to 1789! There were no government programs. There were no corporate monopolies. Just people organizing shipping trips to China, trading their home grown goods for Chinese made goods that produced a profit at home. There was a Christian Culture (no more) that ruled almost with a "handshake". A very unigue time.


19 posted on 03/04/2006 4:33:20 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: MamaTexan
"James Madison had such a plan on his mind for years. The proposed ... government would have veto power over laws enacted by state legislatures. "

That is in reference to Madison's plan going into the convention, not what came out of it.

Madison proposed that the feds have "a negative" on all state laws. It was rejected. Many of his ideas were. Though he still had the greatest influence of all there- mainly because he was the best prepared!

An excellent, just excellent, book on Madison's preparations for the Convention and the negotiation and compromise there is "The Business of May Next: James Madison and the Founding" by William Lee Miller.

Very readable and in most libraries.

20 posted on 03/04/2006 4:55:05 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: bd476

"Genl. Washington is well known as the Commander in chief of the late American Army. Having conducted these States to independence and peace, he now appears to assist in framing a Government to make the People happy. Like Gustavus Vasa, he may be said to be the deliverer of his Country; -like Peter the great he appears as the politician and the States-man; and like Cincinnatus he returned to his farm perfectly contented with being only a plain Citizen, after enjoying the highest honor of the Confederacy,-and now only seeks for the approbation of his Countrymen by being virtuous and useful. The General was conducted to the Chair as President of the Convention by the unanimous voice of its Members. He is in the 52d. year of his age.

Mr. Wythe is the famous Professor of Law at the University of William and Mary. He is confessedly one of the most learned legal Characters of the present age. From his close attention to the study of general learning he has acquired a compleat knowledge of the dead languages and all the sciences. He is remarked for his examplary life, and universally esteemed for his good principles. No Man it is said understands the history of Government better than Mr. Wythe,-nor any one who understands the fluctuating condition to which all societies are liable better than he does, yet from his too favorable opinion of Men, he is no great politician. He is a neat and pleasing Speaker, and a most correct and able Writer. Mr. Wythe is about 55 years of age.

Mr. Mason is a Gentleman of remarkable strong powers, and possesses a clear and copious understanding. He is able and convincing in debate, steady and firm in his principles, and undoubtedly one of the best politicians in America. Mr. Mason is about 60 years old, with a fine strong constitution.

Mr. Maddison is a character who has long been in public life; and what is very remarkable every Person seems to acknowledge his greatness. He blends together the profound politician, with the Scholar. In the management of every great question he evidently took the lead in the Convention, and tho' he cannot be called an Orator, he is a most agreable, eloquent, and convincing Speaker. From a spirit of industry and application which he possesses in a most eminent degree, he always comes forward the best informed Man of any point in debate. The affairs of the United States, he perhaps, has the most correct knowledge of, of any Man in the Union. He has been twice a Member of Congress, and was always thought one of the ablest Members that ever sat in that Council. Mr. Maddison is about 37 years of age, a Gentleman of great modesty,-with a remarkable sweet temper. He is easy and unreserved among his acquaintance, and has a most agreable style of conversation.

Mr. Blair is one of the most respectable Men in Virginia, both on account of his Family as well as fortune. He is one of the Judges of the Supreme Court in Virginia, and acknowledged to have a very extensive knowledge of the Laws. Mr. Blair is however, no Orator, but his good sense, and most excellent principles, compensate for other deficiencies. He is about 50 years of age.

Mr. Randolph is Governor of Virginia,-a young Gentleman in whom unite all the accomplishments of the Scholar, and the Statesman. He came forward with the postulata, or first principles, on which the Convention acted, and he supported them with a force of eloquence and reasoning that did him great honor. He has a most harmonious voice, a fine person and striking manners.
Mr. Randolph is about 32 years of age."

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/const/pierce.htm
(Short comments on most of the participants- not just the ones from "The Great Commonwealth of Virginia"!)


21 posted on 03/04/2006 5:06:28 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
An excellent, just excellent, book on Madison's preparations for the Convention and the negotiation and compromise there is "The Business of May Next: James Madison and the Founding" by William Lee Miller.

Thanks, I'll look it up :-)

22 posted on 03/04/2006 5:08:05 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity', nor am I a *person* as created by law.)
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To: bd476

No greater document for governance will ever be written.


23 posted on 03/04/2006 5:26:21 PM PST by PGalt
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To: bd476
From the Washington Post's Book World review by Michael Lind:

"...According to Chernow, "Hamilton supervised the entire Federalist project. He dreamed up the idea, enlisted the participants, wrote the overwhelming bulk of the essays, and oversaw the publication."

Mr. Chernow needs to acquaint himself with James Madison.
I say with confidence, that it was Madison, not Hamilton who did more to ensure state approval of our Constitution. Though Madison favored a union of the states, he did not envision, nor advocate, the kind of omnipotent central gov't that Hamilton desired.

While romantic agrarians like Jefferson dreamed of an isolationist America uncorrupted by manufacturing, Hamilton realized that to survive in a world of rival great powers the United States would have to adopt selected elements of the economic and military policies of Britain and France...

Not so. Thomas J did indeed favor the idyllic agrarian system and wished to see it flourish in America, but he did not ever wish this done exclusively of industry.
He himself even incorporated "manufacturing" at Monticello, by way of his nail producing enterprise.

...Hamilton went on to oversee the creation of the First Bank of the United States, the ancestor of today's Federal Reserve.

Even Reagan questioned the existence and need of the Fed.

Even more important for America's future prosperity were Hamilton's plans for government-encouraged industrial capitalism...

"government-encouraged", polite way to denote anti-free market policy.

...But in his Report on Manufactures (1791), he made the classic "infant-industry" argument that American industries needed assistance from the federal government if they were to catch up with British manufacturing.

Irony indeed. America needed to catch up to the very nation that wielded their naval superiority in impeding our commercial shipping to Europe and the West Indies, and we've Hamilton in NY praising the grandness and nobility of that very country and their monarchy.

Hamilton's most important successors in American politics were Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln, who, as president, presided over the enactment of Hamiltonian policies such as federal investment in railroads, national banking and support for U.S. industries by means of high tariffs (Hamilton himself had preferred "bounties" or subsidies to infant industries as an alternative to tariffs)..."

I like that term, "federal investment". Who says that the liberals are the only ones who can put a new face on socialism.
No need to remind me that Reagan bailed out Harley-Davidson. This though was not his preferred or predominate policy, just a stopgap measure. Hamilton on the other hand, looked at the federal gov't as the means to all ends.

Hamilton can be extolled for many things, his devotion to federal eminence is not one of those.

24 posted on 03/04/2006 6:39:43 PM PST by jla (Urge Mike Pence to run for POTUS in '08: http://mikepence.house.gov)
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The plan, Randolph confessed, "meant a strong consolidated union in which the idea of states should be nearly annihilated."

Surely, Randolph was overstating the case. Even if the Convention could have been persuaded to endorse the near annihilation of the states, such a plan could never have been ratified, even (or especially) by Virginia. Madison must have understood this, even if Randolph did not.

Let me say that I am very glad to see this anniversary remembered in this forum. It seems to be almost forgotten elsewhere.

25 posted on 03/04/2006 9:29:31 PM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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