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AC-130 gunships returning to Iraq
Associated Press ^ | CHARLES J. HANLEY

Posted on 03/04/2006 3:29:02 PM PST by Dubya

AN AIR BASE IN IRAQ -- The U.S. Air Force has begun moving heavily armed AC-130 airplanes -- the lethal "flying gunships" of the Vietnam War -- to a base in Iraq as commanders search for new tools to counter the Iraqi resistance, The Associated Press has learned.

An AP reporter saw the first of the turboprop-driven aircraft after it landed at the airfield this week. Four are expected.

The Iraq-based special forces command controlling the AC-130s, the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, said it would have no comment on the deployment. But the plan's general outline was confirmed by other Air Force officers, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Military officials warned that disclosing the location of the aircraft's new base would violate security provisions of rules governing media access to U.S. installations.

The four-engine gunships, whose home base is Hurlburt Field in Florida, have operated over Iraq before, flying from airfields elsewhere in the region. In November 2004, air-to-ground fire from AC-130s supported the U.S. attack that took the western city of Fallujah from insurgents. Basing the planes inside Iraq will cut hours off their transit time to reach suspected targets.

The left-side ports of the AC-130s, 98-foot-long planes that can slowly circle over a target for long periods, bristle with a potent arsenal -- 40 mm cannon that can fire 120 rounds per minute, and big 105 mm cannon, normally a field artillery weapon. The plane's latest version, the AC-130U, known as "Spooky," also carries Gatling gun-type 20 mm cannon.

The gunships were designed primarily for battlefield use to place saturated fire on massed troops. In Vietnam, for example, they were deployed against North Vietnamese supply convoys along the Ho Chi Minh Trail, where the Air Force claimed to have destroyed 10,000 trucks over several years.

The use of AC-130s in places like Fallujah, urban settings where insurgents may be among crowded populations of noncombatants, has been criticized by human rights groups.

The slow-moving AC-130s also offer an intelligence gathering advantage in the Iraq fight: sophisticated long-range video, infrared and radar sensors.

American commanders are marshaling all available tools to detect the Iraqi insurgents' stealthy operations, especially at night, when they plant roadside bombs targeting American road patrols and convoys.

The Air Force's senior tactical commander in Iraq said the AC-130 can be both a high-intensity and low-intensity weapon.

"It's got tons of guns, and it's got all kinds of stuff on it that can be applied to the problems you have," Brig. Gen. Frank Gorenc, who refused to discuss the current AC-130 deployment, said in an AP interview.

That "stuff" includes "the ability to take these high-tech pods and to use them to find guys planting (bombs) and to find other nefarious activity," he said.

The Predator drone -- the MQ-1 unmanned aerial vehicle -- has been a reconnaissance workhorse in Iraq, but Air Force officers say they don't have enough to meet demand for missions. The fiscal 2007 Defense Department budget proposed last month by the Bush administration envisions spending $1.6 billion on additional reconnaissance drones.


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1 posted on 03/04/2006 3:29:03 PM PST by Dubya
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To: Dubya
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Unleash Hell

2 posted on 03/04/2006 3:30:38 PM PST by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: Dubya

GOOD


3 posted on 03/04/2006 3:36:34 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Chode; Army Air Corps; Darksheare

ping


4 posted on 03/04/2006 3:38:12 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: MikeinIraq; Old Sarge; Travis McGee; Eaker

gunship ping


5 posted on 03/04/2006 3:38:46 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Dubya

Doesn't that just give you a grin a mile wide? hehehe


6 posted on 03/04/2006 3:48:21 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Dubya

"Fire at will." (Apologies to any persone named "Will" on F.R. :) )


7 posted on 03/04/2006 3:48:22 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: mystery-ak
I believe the Air Force claimed something like 2,000 truck kills a month between 70 and 71 in Viet Nam.

The AF gunners got so good at nailing NVA supply trucks that once the drivers merely heard one of these things over head they would leave the trucks and boogie off into the jungle.

As a result the NVA would chain the drivers to the steering column. The results were entirely predictable.

L

8 posted on 03/04/2006 3:54:22 PM PST by Lurker (Cuz I got one hand in my pocket and the other one is flipping off a liberal.)
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To: Dubya
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1589398/posts
9 posted on 03/04/2006 3:54:24 PM PST by ASA Vet (Would you throw a bucket of water on Hillary if her broom were on fire?)
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To: Dubya

Shoot first, ask questions later.


10 posted on 03/04/2006 3:54:38 PM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: Dubya
IRAN
11 posted on 03/04/2006 3:57:23 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

shhhh !


12 posted on 03/04/2006 4:04:41 PM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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To: King Prout
Image hosted by Photobucket.comstill puttin smoke on their azz after all these years... that'll put the DamnDamn on-em fer sure!!! i wish they'd a kept the miniguns on-em to just rain down lead on soft/exposed targets but i guess they fly kinda high now days.
13 posted on 03/04/2006 4:07:38 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Dubya

MSM telling the enemy our troop movements. I'm just shocked I tell you, shocked. /sar off


14 posted on 03/04/2006 4:36:43 PM PST by Garvin (Oxymoron: Slick Willy signed my Honorable Discharge)
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To: Garvin
MSM telling the enemy our troop movements. I'm just shocked I tell you, shocked.

Probably should pull this thread. No need to further propagate sensitive information.

15 posted on 03/04/2006 4:38:53 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Dubya

16 posted on 03/04/2006 4:41:32 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Dubya

About time.


17 posted on 03/04/2006 4:42:18 PM PST by hershey
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To: Dubya

Puff the magic dragon lived by the sea...


18 posted on 03/04/2006 4:44:29 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: mystery-ak

Damn...I've got a woody now...


19 posted on 03/04/2006 4:50:47 PM PST by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: mystery-ak

Lord. Have. Mercy!

What a beautiful shot!


20 posted on 03/04/2006 4:52:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: King Prout

More Jihadis are going to meet the Grim Reaper.

Happy hunting to pilots and aircrews!


21 posted on 03/04/2006 4:57:35 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Dubya

Tell them Death is on the way. And Hell's in the caboose.


22 posted on 03/04/2006 4:59:08 PM PST by IronJack
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To: King Prout

Typical AP reportage:

"...to a base in Iraq as commanders search for new tools to counter the Iraqi resistance, The Associated Press has learned."

Iraqui resistance, eh. Try foreign fighters, dimwit.


23 posted on 03/04/2006 4:59:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Garvin
Wow, hours ago since your warning, and this thread is still up.

I wonder how many terrorist are logging in for troop movements.

24 posted on 03/04/2006 5:00:37 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!!!


25 posted on 03/04/2006 5:03:49 PM PST by taillightchaser (!)
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To: mystery-ak
Those are KC-130s, gas passers and trash haulers. This is the beast you're looking for.


26 posted on 03/04/2006 5:09:46 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

They won't open...sigh!


27 posted on 03/04/2006 5:18:10 PM PST by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You'd think that eventually they'd get the message. Everytime they cry "Havoc" some of these show up.


28 posted on 03/04/2006 5:20:25 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Dubya

Nothing puts the fear of God into a bad guy like a Hell storm. I am glad it is there.


29 posted on 03/04/2006 5:38:04 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: hershey
I wish they never left Iraq if they could have been used to kill the roadside bomb planting scum.I loved watching the video of the AC-130 blasting the terrorist on the ground like they were part of a video game.
30 posted on 03/04/2006 5:41:45 PM PST by rdcorso (There Is No Such Thing As A Neutral Person During A War With Radical Islam.)
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To: blam

The clock has been reset to four weeks due to the 30-day ultimatum.


31 posted on 03/04/2006 5:45:27 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Doe Eyes

We are doing very well on the loose lips thing this time. Fact is the schedule could be posted in downtown Terror-ran and it wouldn't do them a bit of good.


32 posted on 03/04/2006 5:47:54 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: rdcorso
The IED's go off LONG AFTER the bad guys on the ground are gone from the site. Not sure who these planes would shoot up after the explosions ~ maybe the survivors?

Gotta' watch the timelines closely.

Now, "elsewhere in the region" means, no doubt DUBAI.

Are we relocating these planes because we intend to use them, or to protect them when we screw the UAE investors in the gantry crane deals?

33 posted on 03/04/2006 5:48:38 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Cindy

PING


34 posted on 03/04/2006 5:49:41 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (Lk21:9 When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place)
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To: mystery-ak

PUFF the Magic Dragon in regal display......


35 posted on 03/04/2006 6:03:12 PM PST by halfright (Having)
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To: Dubya

Need to have one of these orbit over Yale for a few hours. They would only be shooting at the enemy there. Don't worry about the good Yale ROTC guys, they're 70 miles away.


36 posted on 03/04/2006 6:06:49 PM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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To: halfright

When and why did they leave the Iraq Theater in the first place?


37 posted on 03/04/2006 6:08:14 PM PST by ocos
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To: RightWhale
"The clock has been reset to four weeks due to the 30-day ultimatum."

What 30 day ultimatum? Issued by whom? Have I missed something?

38 posted on 03/04/2006 6:24:57 PM PST by blam
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To: muawiyah
"Are we relocating these planes because we intend to use them, or to protect them when we screw the UAE investors in the gantry crane deals?"

Maybe they are moving to a newly constructed base.(?)

"Military officials warned that disclosing the location of the aircraft's new base would violate security provisions of rules governing media access to U.S. installations. "

39 posted on 03/04/2006 6:36:59 PM PST by blam
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To: Dog; Cap Huff; Straight Vermonter; DevSix; Coop

Ping............ok, I saw this earlier, along with a KUNA report of Zarqawi possibly being captured, along with the big bang threat by AQ....any clues as to why we're bringing the "puff daddys" back? Something has to be up......


40 posted on 03/04/2006 6:52:26 PM PST by irish guard
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To: irish guard
Try the thread posted later today about the volunteer martyr forces in Iran being ready to march on our guys in Iraq.

There may be a target rich environment crying out for C130 attention.

41 posted on 03/04/2006 7:01:53 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
"Try the thread posted later today about the volunteer martyr forces in Iran being ready to march on our guys in Iraq."

Nah. They know better than to 'group-up.' They'll come in ones and twos as terrorists.

42 posted on 03/04/2006 7:14:18 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

When Saddam was in charge they didn't do that. They came in large groups.


43 posted on 03/04/2006 7:15:50 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Dubya

A few heavy hits by these mean puppies and a few fuel air bomb explosions in the right places could make any enemy say " ENOUGH. ENOUGH PLEASE STOP NOW" !


44 posted on 03/04/2006 7:20:43 PM PST by jetson (throne)
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To: muawiyah
"When Saddam was in charge they didn't do that. They came in large groups."

Yup. With the youngins in front.

45 posted on 03/04/2006 7:31:10 PM PST by blam
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To: muawiyah
"Are we relocating these planes because we intend to use them..."

I read a bunch of lefty replies on this, and they wrote that it's about our withdrawals into fire-bases and letting the Iraqis do more ground work.

46 posted on 03/04/2006 11:25:49 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: blam

There was a thread yesterday. The 30-day ultimatum is being delivered at the UN venue. Interesting (but not surprising) that so few seem to have noticed it.


47 posted on 03/05/2006 10:57:20 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: endthematrix

The Lefties wouldn't know a "FIREBASE" from a college campus. Not to mention what their true mission is.


48 posted on 03/05/2006 11:07:09 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Pat Buchanan............A principled pessimist with a pessimistic principal)
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To: RightWhale
"There was a thread yesterday. The 30-day ultimatum is being delivered at the UN venue. Interesting (but not surprising) that so few seem to have noticed it."

Thanks. I saw it on another thread this morning. 4-6-2006?

49 posted on 03/05/2006 11:27:45 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Yes, unless the refusal comes earlier.


50 posted on 03/05/2006 11:29:59 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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