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Altruism 'in-built' in humans
BBC News ^ | 3 March 2006 | Helen Briggs

Posted on 03/04/2006 4:35:36 PM PST by Antonello

In experiments reported in the journal Science, toddlers helped strangers complete tasks such as stacking books.

Young chimps did the same, providing the first direct evidence of altruism in non-human primates.

Altruism may have evolved six million years ago in the common ancestor of chimps and humans, the study suggests.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crevolist; crevolution; evolution; humanity; psychology; science

1 posted on 03/04/2006 4:35:38 PM PST by Antonello
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping just in case you're interested.


2 posted on 03/04/2006 4:39:44 PM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Antonello

Oh, then it must not be virtuous.


3 posted on 03/04/2006 4:41:16 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Terrorists love Democrats.)
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To: Antonello

altruism? All-true-ism? There is no truth at all to evilution. It takes a Neandrathal to believe it exists.


4 posted on 03/04/2006 4:43:21 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Antonello

Well, then that settles it.

No more need for taxes.


5 posted on 03/04/2006 4:44:40 PM PST by sayfer bullets
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To: Antonello
Here is the same story written by someone else:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1589430/posts


Interesting. I wondered on the other thread and again when reading this story: What must Peter Singer be thinking? Hopefully whatever it is it will cause enough of a conundrum to make his head explode.
6 posted on 03/04/2006 4:46:47 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Antonello
Altruism may have evolved six million years ago in the common ancestor of chimps and humans, the study suggests

A conclusion that is a leap of faith. Religious in toto.

7 posted on 03/04/2006 4:47:33 PM PST by bvw
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To: Antonello

This was up earlier and all I can see is that it begs the term, altruism; supposedly this neutral researcher provided no rewards while staging very elaborate displays of clumsiness and a group of 25 18 month-old toddlers came rushing to the klutze's rescue.

What is carefully avoided as a control on the toddler's behavior is the first 17 months of their lives and the situations already experienced therein.

Who's to say the kids didn't expect a pat on the head?


8 posted on 03/04/2006 4:47:53 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: sayfer bullets
No more need for taxes.

I know you weren't being sarcastic. This is spot on.

9 posted on 03/04/2006 4:49:06 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Antonello

John Galt speaks:


(clearing throat)

There is no such this as altruism. Dagny was right. Everyone has some reason for their actions, even if it is self-gratification, or to please God, or out of some sense of love.


10 posted on 03/04/2006 4:49:26 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: Antonello

Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil.
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic," examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
Being generous is inborn; being altruistic is a learned perversity. No resemblance.

ROBERT HEINLEIN


11 posted on 03/04/2006 4:49:39 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the rear, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: Antonello
Altruism and collectivism are the underlying tenets of socialism and communism. In this context the state mandates altruism and confiscates every resource from an individual until all that is left is disposing of an exhausted shell.

Leave it to the BBC to lionize a putrid concept and confuse it with a volitional act of charity.

12 posted on 03/04/2006 4:49:41 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: sayfer bullets

Is it really altruism? If you can help someone at little cost to yourself (and even benefit from the play aspect of socially doing something with someone else), you may create a potential ally for some future time when you may be in need.


13 posted on 03/04/2006 4:49:54 PM PST by Stirner
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To: Antonello

Must be true. "Science" says so. Stay tuned for next week's offering of sappy, sloppy surmisings and mushy thinking from the darwinist priesthood.


14 posted on 03/04/2006 4:51:10 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: aynrandfreak

"Oh, then it must not be virtuous."

Correct.

For an act to be considered "moral" then we must decide to do it, out of our own free will. If the trait is inborn, like bodily urges or sex urges, it would cease to be virtuous, at least in some cases.


15 posted on 03/04/2006 4:51:15 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: Old Professer
actually that very issue is addressed in this article on the same topic:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_re_us/helpful_babies

"Warneken never asked for the help and didn't even say "thank you," so as not to taint the research by training youngsters to expect praise if they helped. After all, altruism means helping with no expectation of anything in return."
16 posted on 03/04/2006 4:51:26 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Antonello; Junior
I think there was a thread on this. I can't be certain. Or maybe I read the article elswehere. I donno. Anyway, this altruism stuff is a rather squishy kind of science, so I won't ping the evolution list.
17 posted on 03/04/2006 4:55:07 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Antonello

I think it's mostly learned behavior. Chimpanzees can be extremely violent towards one another and are highly territorial. Concepts like altruism are taught. The instinct of self-preservation is probably more what we're about, although we have the free will to choose to help somebody else.


18 posted on 03/04/2006 4:56:03 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Islamofascists don't need cartoons. They're already caricatures.)
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To: Antonello

"The moral cannibalism of all hedonist and altruist doctrines lies in the premise that the happiness of one man necessitates the injury of another."

AYN RAND


19 posted on 03/04/2006 4:56:36 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the rear, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: PatrickHenry
Anyway, this altruism stuff is a rather squishy kind of science, so I won't ping the evolution list.

Squishy, yes. But it makes sense that we would have evolved a biological tendency to cooperate.

20 posted on 03/04/2006 4:58:45 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
doctrines

key word, but does not seem to apply here.
21 posted on 03/04/2006 5:05:13 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Antonello
"...toddlers helped strangers complete tasks such as stacking books. Young chimps did the same..."

Dr Ray Stantz: Symmetrical book stacking. Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947.
Dr. Peter Venkman: You're right, no human being would stack books like this.

22 posted on 03/04/2006 5:05:41 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Antonello

See also:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1589454/posts


23 posted on 03/04/2006 5:13:10 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Stirner
Is it really altruism? If you can help someone at little cost to yourself (and even benefit from the play aspect of socially doing something with someone else), you may create a potential ally for some future time when you may be in need.

Exactly! We are all self-interested, even if we don't want to admit it. We do things that appear altruistic because we derive some benefit from it, even if that benefit is a potential future ally, or even just a "good feeling".

24 posted on 03/04/2006 5:17:19 PM PST by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: Antonello

Doing something to stave off boredom or to learn smething new is altrusitic just because one interacts with another while doing it? I don't think so.


25 posted on 03/04/2006 5:20:13 PM PST by Socratic (I'll have the the roast duck and the mango salsa.)
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To: Antonello

Altruism? After you.


26 posted on 03/04/2006 5:30:04 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Antonello

oh, for gosh sake, Life magazine was reporting on interspecies "altruism" around African watering holes 40 years ago.


27 posted on 03/04/2006 5:55:34 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Zeroisanumber

Please.

I challenge you to prove altruism by the "theory of evolution" on the genetic level.

Alruism is self-extinguishing and genetically destructive.

Its appearance in so many species is a devastating argument against the false science of evolution.


28 posted on 03/04/2006 6:02:07 PM PST by Jonathan
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To: Jonathan
"Alruism is self-extinguishing and genetically destructive. "
Seems to me that Jesus Christ was altruistic.
29 posted on 03/04/2006 6:51:40 PM PST by afz400
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To: Antonello

Ever work in a nursery? Have any children? Altruism mya have evolved six million years ago in the common ancestor of chimps and humans. This stuff just keeps getting better and better. Almost like listening to Katrina coverage.


30 posted on 03/04/2006 6:54:14 PM PST by Snowbelt Man (ideas have consequences)
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To: Antonello
In experiments reported in the journal Science, toddlers helped strangers
complete tasks such as stacking books.


Looks more like "primate see, primate do".
31 posted on 03/04/2006 6:55:57 PM PST by VOA
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To: afz400

You are mixing metaphors, so I can too . . .

His body is still alive (see Ephesians 5).


32 posted on 03/04/2006 8:55:16 PM PST by Jonathan
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To: Antonello

Now let them go to work on how my year old daughter can mimic so accurately the funny facial contortions I make for her sans mirror.....


33 posted on 03/04/2006 9:01:08 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Antonello

This has long being a tenet of evolutionary psychology.


34 posted on 03/05/2006 8:41:23 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Perhaps you could provide some evidence for us Neandrathal evilutionists.


35 posted on 03/05/2006 8:43:14 AM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: bvw
It's a leap of faith to say that something may have happened?
36 posted on 03/05/2006 8:44:32 AM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: hail to the chief

In current temper of the times, yes. What they are leaping to, is to appear with the faithful on the bandwagon of Science 2006. There is so much fear of straying from the "true" path.


37 posted on 03/05/2006 9:11:20 AM PST by bvw
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To: hail to the chief

Ever watch Stargate SG-1? It's exactly like the current plot line on that Sci Fi Channel series. When the Ori-world common folk say "Blessed be the Ori!" The invocation of "Blessed be Darwinism!" is ths subtext in that conclusion that yet another "blessed" nilhilistic evolutionary event has been possibly observed, according to the current catechism of the Holy Church of Science.


38 posted on 03/05/2006 9:16:12 AM PST by bvw
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To: Antonello; PatrickHenry
This thread is too funny. Objectivists teaming up with creationists to bash science.LOL.
39 posted on 03/05/2006 9:25:45 AM PST by curiosity
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To: bvw
So by the logic of your assertions, there is no conceivable way that cooperative tendencies could have evolved.

Feel free to substantiate your assertions at any time.

40 posted on 03/05/2006 2:22:45 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: hail to the chief

To note and measure cooperative tendencies is science. Real science. To then add marketing for evolution is not science, it is boosterism, or more likely -- evanglism for Darwinism.


41 posted on 03/05/2006 3:02:25 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

What marketing for Darwinism? The article starts with the observation of cooperation being inborn in humans and then surmises that it may have evolved. The actual evidence for evolutionary theory has nothing to do with this.

Also, do you view all scientific evidence as "marketing?"


42 posted on 03/05/2006 3:36:15 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: hail to the chief

I view strawmen as strawmen, how about you stop stuffing that straw effigy you've made of me, eh?


43 posted on 03/05/2006 3:49:14 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

My previous post consisted of 2 questions and 2 statements on the nature of the article. Where is the strawman in that?


44 posted on 03/05/2006 6:38:18 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: curiosity
This thread is too funny. Objectivists teaming up with creationists to bash science.LOL.

Ah, but is it real science they are bashing, or just a flawed study? One experiment does not a consensus make. I'll say it again...there is no such thing as real altruism, only the illusion of altruism...we only do things that help us gain pleasure or avoid pain. That's life.

As far as kids are concerned, they just mimic each other...it's just the way kids are...they aren't considering the philosophical implications of their actions, they are just going with the herd.

45 posted on 03/07/2006 8:35:05 AM PST by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: curiosity
This thread is too funny. Objectivists teaming up with creationists to bash science.LOL.

Ah, but is it real science they are bashing, or just a flawed study? One experiment does not a consensus make. I'll say it again...there is no such thing as real altruism, only the illusion of altruism...we only do things that help us gain pleasure or avoid pain. That's life.

As far as kids are concerned, they just mimic adults and each other...it's just the way kids are...they aren't considering the philosophical implications of their actions, they are just going with the herd.

46 posted on 03/07/2006 8:36:31 AM PST by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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