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Dude, Where's My Civil War?
The New York Post ^ | March 5, 2006 -- BAGHDAD | Ralph Peters

Posted on 03/05/2006 5:17:03 AM PST by freeperfromnj

I'M trying. I've been trying all week. The other day, I drove another 30 miles or so on the streets and alleys of Baghdad. I'm looking for the civil war that The New York Times declared. And I just can't find it.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilwar; iraq; liberalmedia; mediabias; nytlies; oif; ralphpeters
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1 posted on 03/05/2006 5:17:04 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj
Finally, an article I can read. Mr. Peters, thank you. Using humor in title will definetely lure those stupid people to read. (Crossing fingers)
2 posted on 03/05/2006 5:19:49 AM PST by newconhere
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To: freeperfromnj

Would the New York Times lie to promote their anti American agenda?


3 posted on 03/05/2006 5:23:03 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: freeperfromnj
Iraqis cheering on Americans?? Not something you'll find in the MSM headlines.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

4 posted on 03/05/2006 5:24:27 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: freeperfromnj
The NYT wants a Civil War. Just like the old "Yellow Journalism" days, if it didn't happen to a degree that would achieve your intended outcome, change the info so your outcome occurs. The only problem with this is that our kids die. The SOB's that approve these articles should be held accountable.
5 posted on 03/05/2006 5:30:37 AM PST by mortal19440
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To: freeperfromnj

Whoa. Now there is something you will NEVER see in the NYT or WaPo


6 posted on 03/05/2006 5:31:12 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: freeperfromnj
All day - and it was a long day - we drove through Shia and Sunni neighborhoods. Everywhere, the reception was warm. No violence. None.

And no hostility toward our troops. Iraqis went out of their way to tell us we were welcome.

Where else would you see this information?

7 posted on 03/05/2006 5:32:27 AM PST by randita
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To: newconhere

Whether our local newspulper editor likes it or not, I will keep sending the truth to him to see if he ever gets the hint. If he reads this article, he will probably fear that too many other people will eventually find out the truth contained in it.


8 posted on 03/05/2006 5:33:56 AM PST by westmichman (Please pray with me for global warming)
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To: freeperfromnj
I haven't found it either. I keep hearing about some civil war on the news and it's supposedly happening right where I am, but I haven't been able to find it at all.

I mean, if there's a civil war here, I want to see it. Or at least hear it.

I'll let you know if I locate it.

Oh...and I'm also looking for a lighter I misplaced a couple of days ago. I'll let you know if I find that, too.

9 posted on 03/05/2006 5:34:03 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: mortal19440
The SOB's that approve these articles should be held accountable.

Yes, they should - Of course they will jump up and down on the flaming barricades of Free Speech and Freedom of the Press.

To which I counter; "freedom of the press does not mean freedom from the truth."

10 posted on 03/05/2006 5:34:55 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: freeperfromnj

This bombing was the test, and Iraq passes. It's only a matter of time now, America has succeeded.


11 posted on 03/05/2006 5:36:05 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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To: OneLegProud; Bubbatuck; MikefromOhio

Well, you won't believe it from me. Maybe you'll believe it from another source.


12 posted on 03/05/2006 5:36:36 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: patriciaruth

FYI


13 posted on 03/05/2006 5:39:56 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: freeperfromnj
Instead of a civil war, something very different happened because of the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra. The fanatic attempt to stir up Sunni-vs.-Shia strife, and the subsequent spate of violent attacks, caused popular support for the U.S. presence to spike upward.

NYT's reply to the situation; "Damn! Neuman!".

14 posted on 03/05/2006 5:40:11 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Allegra

You go! thanks so much for your posts.
We are supporting you and praying for your safety....please know that!


15 posted on 03/05/2006 5:42:29 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Google would sell out America to the highest bidder!)
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To: freeperfromnj
WOW is that nice to read.

I think the country has enough proof now that some in the MSM (actually a very large majority) do not wish this country (or Iraq) well. We also have evidence that someone is sponsoring these news agencies because they are still functioning even after losing major money. So, who is financing them? Obviously not the free market, just where is the money coming from?

16 posted on 03/05/2006 5:43:48 AM PST by McGavin999 (I suggest the UAE form a Joint Venture Partnership with Halliburton & Wal-Mart)
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To: westmichman
Man, I just love FR. I am glad I turned the tv. off a few months back. I would never have known this through the old MSM or our local news paper.
17 posted on 03/05/2006 5:51:21 AM PST by buck61 (luv6060)
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To: freeperfromnj

Wow, Mr. Peters isn't going to have to worry about what to wear to those media elite's parties.


18 posted on 03/05/2006 5:51:32 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: freeperfromnj
Instead of a civil war, something very different happened because of the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra. The fanatic attempt to stir up Sunni-vs.-Shia strife, and the subsequent spate of violent attacks, caused popular support for the U.S. presence to spike upward.

NYT lies again.

20 posted on 03/05/2006 6:03:40 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: freeperfromnj

Great article.


21 posted on 03/05/2006 6:04:28 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Allegra

FWIW, I believed you.

Do you think the Iraqis could stil stay calm if Sistani is assassinated?


22 posted on 03/05/2006 6:12:49 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: freeperfromnj
This is a very enlightening report. Thanks for posting the reference.

I love firsthand accounts from Iraq that expose the laziness and deceit of illegitimate media operating in Iraq. Clearly, anyone that accepts a version of events from the NY Times is a fool.

23 posted on 03/05/2006 6:18:24 AM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: prairiebreeze; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; EllaMinnow; ...

ping


24 posted on 03/05/2006 6:21:50 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Allegra
Hi, Allegra. Happy Alamo Day (tomorrow).

Sorry we can't send you one of those "bonus checks" our trusty City Council staffers were cutting each other, and forging Carol Alvarado's initials on the city check-cutting paperwork.

Yes, do let us know about the "civil war", if you find one.

One thing they keep telling us, including that Jill Whatshername who is being held by Ansar al-Sunna or somebody......is that you can't go out on the streets or you'll be shot dead. Is that true?

If you're American, you can't walk in the street without Russian ex-spetsnazy bodyguards?

How about all that? We're getting that from PBS Frontline, from Jill, from MSM media generally, from all of them.

Oh, and Bill Buckley's been poisoned by them, too -- he wrote a column last week, put up his Walter Cronkite opus. Then turned around and said that even though we've lost, we can't afford to quit. Not sure what exactly he meant by all that. But he shows pretty serious signs of media toxemia.

25 posted on 03/05/2006 6:23:30 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: randita

You probably won't see it anywhere else. I came across it as I was reading a hard copy of the Post and thought it was definitely worth sharing.


26 posted on 03/05/2006 6:23:35 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: reformedliberal; Allegra
Do you think the Iraqis could stil stay calm if Sistani is assassinated?

Hmmmmmm, probably Zarqawi's next project. Or Sadr's, too, maybe.

27 posted on 03/05/2006 6:25:33 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: newconhere
Using humor in title will definetely lure those stupid people to read.

Hey! I might have still read it with a different title. (a Drudge siren may have been needed)

28 posted on 03/05/2006 6:28:27 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: mortal19440

Given this is not a traditional war, I wonder when the time will come that someone drives a truck bomb into the lobby of the NY Times as a way to strike against the enemy?


29 posted on 03/05/2006 6:29:31 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: freeperfromnj

I e-mailed the link to this story to liberal acquaintances; but they probable won't read it due to the source, The "right wing" NY Post.


30 posted on 03/05/2006 6:34:10 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: reformedliberal
Do you think the Iraqis could stil stay calm if Sistani is assassinated?

Uh-oh. Now. we're getting hypothetical. ;-)

There would definitely be a reaction to an event like that, just as there was to the shrine bombomg in Samarra. Hard to say just how intense that reaction would get.

Of course, the reaction would depend on a lot of things. Would there be evidence that al-Qaeda perfomred the dirty deed, or perhaps Iranians tyring to stir things up?

Any number of scenarios could take place, depending on the circumstances. After all, WWI began with an assassination.

31 posted on 03/05/2006 6:34:25 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Paloma_55
Given this is not a traditional war, I wonder when the time will come that someone drives a truck bomb into the lobby of the NY Times as a way to strike against the enemy?

Answer 1: The Times is not an enemy of the terrorists who do that stuff.

Answer 2: We are the good guys and don't do that stuff.

32 posted on 03/05/2006 6:36:45 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: mirkwood
Please don't use replies to complete articles from excerpt-only sources, such as the NY Post.

Reference.

33 posted on 03/05/2006 6:41:07 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: freeperfromnj; ex-Texan
I'M trying. I've been trying all week. The other day, I drove another 30 miles or so on the streets and alleys of Baghdad. I'm looking for the civil war that The New York Times declared. And I just can't find it.

Another undereducated conservative needs enlightenment!

34 posted on 03/05/2006 6:42:11 AM PST by Quanah Parker
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To: JimRed

--- Answer 2: We are the good guys and don't do that stuff. ---

Then we are doomed.


35 posted on 03/05/2006 6:43:05 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Well, hello lentulusgracchus. Sounds like things are just fine and dandy with the Houston City Council, as usual. LOL

First, I want to get one thing really clear. Americans do not go running around Baghdad on their own whim. Not those with any sense, anyway. It's not as if there's a guarantee that you'll be shot dead, but al-Qaeda is all over the place here and we are big targets. It is a very dangerous place and I've never tried to kid anybody on that.

Just for one example, a mortar was launched right at my building a couple of days ago and exploded just outside our gate. Nobody was hurt, but they're after us.

We only travel through the city in heavily armored convoys and routes are pre-cleared. (Can't go into detail on that.) And we only travel when we have to. None of this is fail-safe, but these are good precautions.

When I was at another base (north Baghdad) in '04 and '05, we could only travel off-base by helicopter because the roads around there were extremely dangerous and very active.

So, as much as I'd love to picnic along the Tigris or snoop around the shops on the streets (I actually dream at night of doing this sometimes), we can't do those things yet.

I feel for Jill Carroll, but she was being boneheaded by gallivanting around Baghdad as if it were London or New York.

This all being said, there is no civil war here. (Had to get that in again. I love to dig at the media. LOL)

36 posted on 03/05/2006 6:46:23 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Allegra

GOD bless you! I hope all is well. If I can send anything your way, or any of your buds need anything sent over, let me know. I'd be happy to help in some way. Your posts ALWAYS have a way of stripping the nasty film of the MSM (deception) away from my soul!

LLS


37 posted on 03/05/2006 6:53:40 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: freeperfromnj
I'm just afraid that some of our journalists don't want to know the truth anymore

Yep. He's got it figured out.

38 posted on 03/05/2006 6:58:51 AM PST by libertylover (Democrats: Trying since 1968 to transform America into The Great Satan.)
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To: freeperfromnj
They've staked their reputations on Iraq's failure.

Truth spoken in print has a suprising power to bring the issue at hand in focus. It is a fact that they want us to fail. They never seem to consider the results if they get their way.
39 posted on 03/05/2006 7:04:59 AM PST by steel_resolve (Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammo.)
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To: beaver fever
Oh, yeah...somebody reminded me...

You need to read this article as well.

Enjoy!

40 posted on 03/05/2006 7:09:59 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: LibLieSlayer; Recovering Ex-hippie

Thanks. :-)


41 posted on 03/05/2006 7:13:18 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: freeperfromnj

Ah. Some good news.

Thanks for posting this.


42 posted on 03/05/2006 7:42:40 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: buck61
Man, I just love FR.

Me, too. We get
1) the "newest" news and
2) the most commentary and hard data about the "newest" news.

I haven't found this type of offering anywhere else.

43 posted on 03/05/2006 7:44:55 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: freeperfromnj

Dying MSM bump


44 posted on 03/05/2006 7:59:46 AM PST by pissant
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To: motormouth

Important article PING


45 posted on 03/05/2006 8:01:18 AM PST by pissant
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To: Allegra

Keep up the good work Allegra.


47 posted on 03/05/2006 8:07:31 AM PST by pissant
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To: Allegra

Well, you won't believe it from me. Maybe you'll believe it from another source.

I believe you, Leggy. I also worry about you, so PLEASE take care!


48 posted on 03/05/2006 8:09:42 AM PST by LatinaGOP
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To: freeperfromnj

great great post. thank you


49 posted on 03/05/2006 8:11:32 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: freeperfromnj

bttt for later


50 posted on 03/05/2006 8:17:33 AM PST by Go Gordon (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce)
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