Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Spain: Transsexuals can choose jails (based upon their "psycho-social identity")
News 24 (South Africa) ^ | March 5, 2006

Posted on 03/05/2006 11:14:22 AM PST by Stoat

Transsexuals can choose jails
05/03/2006 18:29  - (SA)  

Related Articles

 

 

Madrid - Transsexual inmates in Spain soon will be able to serve their sentences in facilities for men or women according to their "psycho-social identity", and not according to their original gender, reported the El Pais newspaper on Sunday.

According to the centre-left daily, a directive is about to be published concerning the incarceration of individuals who have undergone a sex change.

Transsexuals would be able to ask to serve their sentences in prisons corresponding to their new gender, and prison authorities also would address them by their preferred name, according to the report.

Prison officials would conduct an inquiry to confirm the sexual identity of the prisoner, notably by requiring the inmate to show proof of having started the sex change at least one year before being jailed.

Mercedes Gallizo, the director-general of Spain's prison administration, had already expressed her desire to make these changes in the prison system.

Spanish prisons house about 40 female transsexuals, who were formerly men, but no cases of the opposite sex change, according to the newspaper.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuals; law; lawandorder; perverts; prison; prisons; queers; spain; trannies; transsexuals
Well, I guess we can't just go around insulting 'transgendered' criminals by putting them in the 'wrong' jail now, can we?  (barf)

(hopefully I don't need to add the "sarcasm" tag to that......)

1 posted on 03/05/2006 11:14:28 AM PST by Stoat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Stoat; sure_fine
The title needs a Hurling Mega-Chunks Barf Alert™, s.
2 posted on 03/05/2006 11:21:45 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Stoat
Aren't there are a lot of guys who would be willing to pull a Corporal Klinger to get into a women's prison?

Just thinking off the top of my head...but...
3 posted on 03/05/2006 11:24:24 AM PST by pollyannaish
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pollyannaish
Aren't there are a lot of guys who would be willing to pull a Corporal Klinger to get into a women's prison?

One slight problem.....from the article:

"Prison officials would conduct an inquiry to confirm the sexual identity of the prisoner, notably by requiring the inmate to show proof of having started the sex change at least one year before being jailed."

4 posted on 03/05/2006 11:27:12 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

Who cares which jail, as long as they lock the perverts up?


5 posted on 03/05/2006 11:28:14 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

So, what are you in for?

6 posted on 03/05/2006 11:28:57 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AFA-Michigan; AggieCPA; Agitate; AliVeritas; AllTheRage; An American In Dairyland; Annie03; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping!

FReepmail if you want on/off the ping list.

Free Republic homosexual agenda keyword search

To be included in or removed from the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA PINGLIST, please FreepMail either DBeers or DirtyHarryY2K.

7 posted on 03/05/2006 11:29:53 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: butternut_squash_bisque

do you get tool look through the other before deciding?


8 posted on 03/05/2006 11:35:21 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: sure_fine
do you get TO look through the other before deciding?
9 posted on 03/05/2006 11:36:03 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

So I guess if a guy pretends to be a transexual to get into a prison filled with woman prisoners it's ok?


10 posted on 03/05/2006 11:39:18 AM PST by Trillian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sure_fine

I don't know how the selection process works, but you might wind up in a women's facility where they can kick your butt, or gang-rape you. Best thing is to never go there.


11 posted on 03/05/2006 11:42:43 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Trillian
So I guess if a guy pretends to be a transexual to get into a prison filled with woman prisoners it's ok?

Remember Rush's great bit about the "male lesbians"? Works for me!

12 posted on 03/05/2006 11:43:56 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

Gee, makes you wanna go to prison. The other prison, of course.


13 posted on 03/05/2006 11:46:22 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

Yes, I saw that. but what does "starting sex change" include? Taking hormones and seeing a therapist? Both of those are completely reversible by just quitting I think.


14 posted on 03/05/2006 11:46:40 AM PST by pollyannaish
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: pollyannaish
Yes, I saw that. but what does "starting sex change" include? Taking hormones and seeing a therapist?

Yes

Both of those are completely reversible by just quitting I think.

And yes again.

15 posted on 03/05/2006 11:48:07 AM PST by COEXERJ145 (Pat Buchanan lost a family member in the holocaust. The man fell out of a guard tower.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

Population of women's prison: 350,000

Population of men's prison: zero


16 posted on 03/05/2006 11:51:43 AM PST by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Chandler
Who cares which jail, as long as they lock the perverts up?

Some people may object to such a Governmental policy shift on the grounds that it not only legitimizes what many consider to be a "lifestyle choice" or a mental disorder but also becomes another weapon that criminals can use to manipulate the system when they are placed in that system for the express purpose of limiting their ability to manipulate the world around them.

Regardless of what body parts you have a surgeon hack off or add, every cell in your body contains DNA that specifically identifies you as male or female.  Therefore, these gruesome surgical procedures don't actually change your sex, they are merely exercises in carpentry and remodeling if you will, without changing the essential foundation or framework of the house..

So, all of this ultimately comes down to it being essentially the state of mind that the person is in which determines their 'gender'.  and so which prison they are sent to.  Some find it objectionable to make such determinations based not upon physical reality but on a person's state of mind.

We already have a precedent of clinically deranged criminals being sent to prison mental hospitals, but this circumstance will be dictated by a clinical diagnosis of insanity.  Here in the USA the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from a categorization of mental disorders a few years ago (without the usual scientific studies and factual rationale....it was an entirely political move).

Therefore, we now have a situation where a criminal's state of mind and / or lifestyle choice is allowed to dictate their type of incarceration but it's not being done on the grounds of it being a mental disorder.  Many view this sort of thing as being an erosion of the severity of the penalty being served (a woman's prison might be viewed as preferable, on numerous levels, to a men's prison)

17 posted on 03/05/2006 12:13:23 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

I think Spain was better off under Franco.


18 posted on 03/05/2006 12:56:23 PM PST by BW2221
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: COEXERJ145

Ok. Just making sure I wasn't crazy to see potential nefarious motivations.

Thanks.


19 posted on 03/05/2006 1:13:20 PM PST by pollyannaish
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: BW2221
I think Spain was better off under Franco.


20 posted on 03/05/2006 1:49:55 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Revolting cat!
Gee, makes you wanna go to prison. The other prison, of course.


21 posted on 03/05/2006 2:01:37 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

The Muslims are going to win over there.


22 posted on 03/05/2006 3:28:14 PM PST by American Vet Repairman (Liberalism has killed more Americans than the Taliban)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: American Vet Repairman
The Muslims are going to win over there.

Indeed, although one may also argue that they have already won, as evidenced by Spain's capitulation in the war on terror.

Putting criminals in charge of their own destiny, in large measure, further erodes Spain's status as any sort of a nation that takes its own criminal laws seriously.  Terrorists watching world events will see Spain as a weakling in the world.  Terrorists, being cowards, eagerly exploit perceived weaknesses.

23 posted on 03/05/2006 3:46:13 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: DirtyHarryY2K; DBeers

Another one.

Just tell me to stop if it's too much.

I'm trying to get out of what I should be doing by sneaking onto FR.

I'm sure neither of you has ever done that.


24 posted on 03/05/2006 3:52:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah
I pung this one out already.

I just double pung Linda's article out by mistake after waglebee already got to it first. **embarrassed hiding head**

25 posted on 03/05/2006 3:59:24 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

Seems like Spaniards are confused.


26 posted on 03/05/2006 4:02:43 PM PST by Navy Patriot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Navy Patriot
Seems like Spaniards are confused.

Right off the top of my head I don't recall what policy regarding transsexuals exists in US or UK prisons, but I have no doubt that if the Left were to have it's way there would be an identical policy to Spain's here in America.

27 posted on 03/05/2006 4:13:00 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: American Vet Repairman

"The Muslims are going to win over there"

May not, if the female transsexuals who used to be woman but now are men will get equal treatment and have to spend time in the mens cells.

In this case the Muslim men will fear of going to prison where they would be treated equally to those whom they perceive as females, and thus would be too afraid of committing crimes .


28 posted on 03/05/2006 9:04:13 PM PST by seastay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson