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Cash Film's Missing Ingredient: Religion (Hollywood downplays Johnny Cash's Christianity)
New York Times ^ | March 4, 2006 | Robert Levine

Posted on 03/05/2006 11:39:23 AM PST by churchillbuff

For a movie that is so scrupulously accurate in so many respects, "Walk the Line" makes surprisingly little of the abiding faith that Mr. Cash always credited, along with Ms. Carter, for saving his life.

"That dimension of Cash's life, which was present all the way through, was absent," said the Rev. C. Clifton Black, a professor at Princeton Theological Seminary, who criticized the film for that reason in a review for the magazine The Christian Century. "I was stunned."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: academyawards; christianity; christians; faith; film; godlesscommunists; johnnycash; marxists; mediasbias; music; oscar; oscars; religion; religiousintolerance; revisionisthistory; stephenfairey; walktheline

1 posted on 03/05/2006 11:39:25 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I am not stunned. It was made by Hollywood.

Look at the propaganda they are selling tonight during the Academy Awards. Two movies celebrating homosexuals, one movie applauding a transsexual, and two others celebrating Marxism (an evil responsible for millions of mass murders in the 20th century alone).

2 posted on 03/05/2006 11:43:57 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: churchillbuff

Maybe he didn't care for organized religion, because it required him to "walk the line." He wouldn't do it for his first wife (for whom the song was written), so why for any congregation?


3 posted on 03/05/2006 11:45:36 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: SkyPilot
two others celebrating Marxism""

Which ones? (I don't pay attention to movies, so pardon my ignorance)

4 posted on 03/05/2006 11:47:57 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Cash's son made the movie.

Wonder why he saw fit to leave out God?

5 posted on 03/05/2006 11:51:37 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: churchillbuff

One is "Good Night and Good Luck" which bashes McCarthy and glorifies CBS and Murrow.


6 posted on 03/05/2006 11:52:41 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: RobbyS

Check out the Bear Family DVD of a couple appearance on Town Hall Party. He did songs like "It Was Jesus" on a country program in the 1950s. He also originally came to Sam Phillips trying to sing gospel. Sam references this in the Good Rockin' Tonight documentary.

Some say that Johnny Cash "wasn't religious" until late in his life. I'd say he had faith even if he wasn't always living right.

I'd say the same about Jerry Lee Lewis. And Elvis.

And you can hear them singing gospel songs together on the "Million Dollar Quartet" after hours tape (when Elvis came back to visit his friends at Sun after moving to RCA).


7 posted on 03/05/2006 11:53:05 AM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: churchillbuff

"That dimension of Cash's life, which was present all the way through, was absent," (Christianity)

Too bad. I was tempted to buy the DVD. Then I read somewhere that our lovely southern girl Reese Witherspoon also contributing to Hillary's campaign. Nothing is sacred.


8 posted on 03/05/2006 11:53:34 AM PST by poobear (Islam - A Global Lynch Mob !)
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To: SkyPilot

AND a movie about mass-murder suicide bombers.


9 posted on 03/05/2006 11:53:54 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

Paradise Now - a documentary that swoons over Palestinian murderers.


10 posted on 03/05/2006 11:55:03 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Siena Dreaming

Define "made"> Another person's son made a film about a group of missionaries who were slaughtered back in the 1950s.

His father was played by a homosexual activist. The son was not happy with the casting but the director threatened to walk if the roll was recast.


11 posted on 03/05/2006 11:55:06 AM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: SkyPilot
Two movies celebrating homosexuals, one movie applauding a transsexual, and two others celebrating Marxism

Not to mention a movie celebrating suicide bombing.

12 posted on 03/05/2006 11:57:13 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 29-34)
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To: poobear
You know, the movie actually is quite good.

It does have some christian allusions such as Cash's Mom giving him her hymn book and June and Johnnie going to church after his bad drug episode.

However, Cash's son said he wanted to emphasize his mother and father's relationship in the film, so the "God" angle is not emphasized as much as Cash's autobiography emphasizes it.

13 posted on 03/05/2006 11:59:42 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: churchillbuff
Gee, the NY Slimes finally gets it?? I said that the day I saw the film. "Walk The Line" was great as far as it went, but it seemed to PURPOSELY ignore how important Jesus Christ is to Johnny Cash...except for a very very quick shot of Johnny and June going into a Baptist church, Christ's involvement in Johnny's life was muted. At best.

No matter--those who will grow to learn about Cash because of the film will see how his life was changed through the power of the Gospel.

14 posted on 03/05/2006 12:04:59 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: weegee

Cash's son was executive producer...thus he had a major role in the making of the film.


15 posted on 03/05/2006 12:05:12 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

I've heard a lot of good reviews from others as well. The actors did there own singing. Maybe I'll just bite my tongue and wait for Sam's to release it half price.


16 posted on 03/05/2006 12:08:21 PM PST by poobear (Islam - A Global Lynch Mob !)
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To: poobear
FYI...here's what Johnny Cash's son says about the issue of faith in the making of the movie.

My mother's faith becomes very evident in watching the film--her strength in God. The film deals with my father growing up as a young man and his struggles. My father resoundingly professed his faith in God later. It becomes evident early in the film how my father wanted to have faith in the Gospel. But the major focus in the film is their love affair. It's not really a film about their faith. The point where the film stops off is the point where my father truly begins to seek out Christianity. The point where he started is where the film ends. My parents' number-one goal was to have a movie about their life, and how their love helped them come together. I believe we've done that.

17 posted on 03/05/2006 12:11:11 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming
However, Cash's son said he wanted to emphasize his mother and father's relationship in the film, so the "God" angle is not emphasized as much as Cash's autobiography emphasizes it.

I also thought the movie was excellent.

I differ from some posters here in that I thought it was quite clear about his conversion. I didn't need to see him praying...his witness to me was the change in his life.

I thought that part of the film in which he hit bottom and June told him it was time to make a new beginning (implying strongly a new beginning in the Lord) was the most poignant moment in the movie.

Vy powerful to me (having been through such an experience personally).

18 posted on 03/05/2006 12:11:11 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: poobear

"I read somewhere that our lovely southern girl Reese Witherspoon also contributing to Hillary's campaign"

Yeah, she gives Hildebeast money...won't be going to any more of her movies either...


19 posted on 03/05/2006 12:14:29 PM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Dark Skies
(implying strongly a new beginning in the Lord)

Yes, it was certainly implied. I thought it could have been a bit stronger, but they didn't choose that route.

Anyway, those interested will do further research and discover how deep Cash's religious roots went. (I found out he even wrote a novel about Paul the Apostle which I intend to read.)

20 posted on 03/05/2006 12:14:39 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: poobear
The famous black and red and yellow poster is done by an artist I suspect is a marxist as well:

Here are some other examples of Shepard Fairey's work:


I'd think he could find himself on the wrong side of a fatwa for this one:

21 posted on 03/05/2006 12:27:11 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: Siena Dreaming

The movie started out with Cash singing gospel music. He never left those roots.


22 posted on 03/05/2006 12:29:01 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Siena Dreaming

I agree, Cash's religious redemption was clearly implied in the film...it's interesting, in the deleted scenes on the DVD the religious aspect was taken a step further and he and June were shown inside the church service they attend after he goes through withdrawal. The preacher is preaching about Cain and Abel (which is rather fitting given the guilt he had struggled with over his brother's death), and he and June sing a hymn together. I haven't listened to the commentary for the deleted scenes yet so I don't know what the thinking was in deleting it (there are 9 other deleted scenes...they may have felt it was a running length issue).


23 posted on 03/05/2006 12:29:01 PM PST by GOPrincess
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To: SkyPilot

See post 21 for a marxist connection to Walk The Line.


24 posted on 03/05/2006 12:30:21 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: Dark Skies

But was "conversion" a compenent in Johnny Cash's life? Did he have doubt or did he just engage in sin even though he still believed in God?

It sounds like some are attempting to portray Johnny as someone who came to believe in God later. I make the case it was always a part of his life. How you CHOOSE to live your life is apart from your faith (belief in God).


25 posted on 03/05/2006 12:35:07 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: weegee
Frightening!

Obey what? Whom? Chomsky? These Marxists won't be happy till we all bow down in cowering masses under socialist, communist law. What a bunch of lunatics!
26 posted on 03/05/2006 12:52:03 PM PST by poobear (Islam - A Global Lynch Mob !)
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To: poobear

He started out with a sticker campaign of "Andre The Giant Has A Posse" stickers posted up around SF and other cities.

Then he shifted that to Obey Giant with communist stars.

As his work has progressed, he has adopted more communist propaganda iconography and more socialist political hero worship and conservative bashing works.


27 posted on 03/05/2006 12:58:06 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: weegee
"...As his work has progressed, he has adopted more communist propaganda iconography and more socialist political hero worship and conservative bashing works..."

There must be SOMETHING in the water out in SF. These people would otherwise sound like tiny crickets chirping in other parts of the US. Seems they go mad after a few years of SF bliss.
28 posted on 03/05/2006 1:06:04 PM PST by poobear (Islam - A Global Lynch Mob !)
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To: weegee
How you CHOOSE to live your life is apart from your faith (belief in God).

I agree in some ways...but addiction to something more powerful than human choice requires faith.

For some people of faith, the most wonderful thing is the day they were rescued.

I am one of those. Many years ago I hit bottom and was rescued. Many years ago, but just as real today.

29 posted on 03/05/2006 3:31:08 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: poobear

Why he might have started out recontextualizing propaganda iconography, he ended up nothing more than a propagandist. And for evil empires, no less.


30 posted on 03/05/2006 4:26:10 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: churchillbuff

Thanks for the post.

I watched the movie tonight, and not the Oscars ... a fine movie ... Phoenix is great as the Man in Black ... Witherspoon is wonderful as June Carter.

Johnny's journey through life was a hero's journey.


31 posted on 03/06/2006 12:58:09 AM PST by jwfiv
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To: Dark Skies

Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Could not have said it better myself. People on FR just like to bash movies period. That is the only area I tend to disagree with my fellow FREEPERS. You can't make them happy. Between bashing this film which was excellent and bashing End of the Spear, it is a wonder that hollywood makes any family films.


However, Cash's son said he wanted to emphasize his mother and father's relationship in the film, so the "God" angle is not emphasized as much as Cash's autobiography emphasizes it.
I also thought the movie was excellent.

I differ from some posters here in that I thought it was quite clear about his conversion. I didn't need to see him praying...his witness to me was the change in his life.

I thought that part of the film in which he hit bottom and June told him it was time to make a new beginning (implying strongly a new beginning in the Lord) was the most poignant moment in the movie.

Vy powerful to me (having been through such an experience personally).




32 posted on 03/06/2006 1:15:05 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: SAMS

I want the article that says that. Before you make that criticism and upset all these freepers on here and ban Reece movie, we want proof.


33 posted on 03/06/2006 1:17:01 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: weegee
"How you CHOOSE to live your life is apart from your faith (belief in God)."

(IMHO,) a person's choices are a type of work. Faith without works is dead (separation of a living spirit from the soul or thinking processes).

How a person chooses to live their life manifests their faith and choosing wrongly manifests a lack of faith. When we are tested, as part of the advance in spiritual maturity, our faith increases via the Holy Spirit, while we remain in fellowship with Him. Those proper choices only occur when we choose while remaining in faith with Him.

Choosing independently of faith will either result in a moral degeneracy (such as legalism or asceticism) or immoral degeneracy (such as lasciviousness or a frantic search for happiness). In either case, whenever choosing is separated or discerned from faith, it fails to remain in faith with Him.

34 posted on 03/06/2006 1:36:16 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: napscoordinator

Perhaps Johnny's autobiography and music are a more enduring tribute to Christ and Johnny, while the movie reflects more the lack of faith of Johnny's son. I suspect more of Johnny's music might endure a purifying fire while the film might get burnt up or discarded as dross.


35 posted on 03/06/2006 1:40:09 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Cvengr

Perhaps Johnny's autobiography and music are a more enduring tribute to Christ and Johnny, while the movie reflects more the lack of faith of Johnny's son. I suspect more of Johnny's music might endure a purifying fire while the film might get burnt up or discarded as dross.


Wow. You are upset about this movie. I didn't really get to emotionally involved in the movie when I watched it. I thought it was a good movie and that was about it. Sorry you did not like the movie so much. Hope another movie will be better for you. Don't give up a good movie is on the way from Hollywood...LOL.


36 posted on 03/06/2006 4:33:15 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
Here you go...

(AP) Hillary Clinton Returns Wal-Mart Cash
Feb 3 2006

By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writer

The junior senator from New York is also a potential presidential candidate in 2008. She took in plenty of donations from box office stars and political heavyweights, according to paperwork filed with the Federal Election Commission


Other donors to Clinton include former Sept. 11 commission member Richard Ben-Veniste, who gave her $1,000 in November. Actress Reese Witherspoon contributed $1,000, and talk show host Jerry Springer donated $4,200"
37 posted on 03/06/2006 5:20:06 AM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: SAMS

DARN!!!! I was so hoping that you were respectfully WRONG. This is truly disappointing. I am sorry you found this...LOL.


38 posted on 03/06/2006 6:31:34 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news....if it's any consolation, she only gave $1,000.00, and considering now she gets $29 million per movie...she gave less than peanuts. Maybe deep down she's a good conservative, but ponied up some money to stay in Hollywierds good graces...just a theory. LOL.


39 posted on 03/06/2006 6:38:03 AM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: SAMS

Yes she may have done it to stay in good graces, BUT she also could have made a statement like Patricia Heaton who says basically to liberals - Go to He!!. I appreciate her for that and she is a millionaire as well. Reece has stated before "well how much more money do I need" to a question on why she does not do more movies. Well she does have too much money than she needs and is now giving it to Hillary. I wonder if she was not legally bound to only give 1,000 dollars she would have given more. I can only imagine that Reece gave because Hillary is a women and wanted to give to the girl power. I would hope that this is the reason and not because she agrees with her politics. Dang, I am not coming on FREEPERS anymore because I find out such terrible news. LOL. Actually, I think Reece is a beautiful women and now she is tarnished forever!!!!


40 posted on 03/06/2006 6:47:08 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
I wonder if she was not legally bound to only give 1,000 dollars she would have given more. I can only imagine that Reece gave because Hillary is a women and wanted to give to the girl power.

Then, she's not only legally blond, she's definitely DUMB!

41 posted on 03/06/2006 7:45:50 AM PST by Mean Maryjean ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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