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Ban on wire transfers by illegals proposed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 03/06/2006 | James Lambert

Posted on 03/06/2006 1:12:39 PM PST by Impeach98

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INVASION USA

Ban on wire transfers by illegals proposed
Supporters believe it will remove major incentive for crossing border

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Posted: March 6, 2006 2:32 p.m. Eastern

James L. Lambert © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A Republican candidate for a vacated congressional seat in southern California is proposing a ban on wire transfers by illegal aliens from the U.S. to Mexico.

The plan "will remove a major incentive for illegal immigration and increase national security," said Howard Kaloogian, a well-known California activist who launched the effort to recall Gov. Gray Davis.

Kaloogian is the front-runner for the San Diego-area congressional seat held by Republican Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, who was sentenced last week to eight years in prison on corruption charges.


Howard Kaloogian

"[T]he Mexican government is making billions of dollars every year from illegal aliens who enter the U.S. illegally and then wire that money back to their families in Mexico," Kaloogian said Saturday at a news conference at the border.

The economy, he contended, bears the cost of illegal aliens, who pay no taxes but receive taxpayer-funded services.

"It's absurd that we continue to allow those who have broken the law by entering this nation illegally to then enjoy the benefit of collecting wages illegally and then sending those funds to a foreign nation," Kaloogian said.


Howard Kaloogian at the Mexican border Saturday.

The proposal, if adopted by Congress, would require anyone wiring money to Mexico to provide identification to financial institutions or wire-transfer operators to prove citizenship.

An estimated $15 to $20 billion is moved annually from the U.S. to Mexico through private-party wire transfers. Howard Kaloogian at Mexican border Saturday

Kaloogian said past legislative proposals involving transfers by illegal aliens merely have imposed an extra fee.

The new proposal, he argued, "will establish leverage with foreign leaders such as Mexico's Vicente Fox who has sent a wink and a nod to their citizens to enter the United States illegally, collect wages that ad up to 10 times those paid in Mexico and then send those funds back to Mexico."

Claudia Garcia de Spencer, spokeswoman for the San Diego chapter of the Minutemen volunteer border patrol, spoke at the news conference in support of the proposal.

"Four and a half years after 9-11, our federal and state officials still refuse to confront threats allowing our borders to be breached thousands of times each day by foreigners," she said. "As a new citizen who followed the procedures and obeyed the rules, this (illegal immigration) is a shocking affront to me and is a slap in the face to all loyal Americans."

Kaloogian was a California state assemblyman from 1994 to 2000. He helped launch the pro-troops organization Move America Forward. His candidacy has received a variety of endorsements, including support from Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes, publisher of Forbes magazine.

A special election for Cunningham's congressional seat is scheduled April 11. If no candidate receives a 50 percent majority, run-off will take place between the expected Democrat candidate Carolyn [sic] Busby and the top Republican vote-getter.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderpatrol; california; cambios; congress; cunningham; feelgoodproposal; immigrantlist; immigration; kaloogian; mexico; minuteman; minutemen; republicrat; sandiego; transfer; wire
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To: mlc9852
"So are the clerks at the grocery stores where they wire the money via Western Union going to be arrested if it is discovered an "illegal" wired money? Yeah, sounds like a great plan."

Same argument as cigarettes and alcohol. The store gets fines and the employees who keep breaking the law get fired by the store because they can't afford the employee who doesn't enforce the law.

Good idea.

21 posted on 03/06/2006 1:25:43 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
Not a lot of illegal aliens with their Wi-Fi logging on to PayPal.

One doesn't need WiFi to use PayPal. All that's needed is a checking account (even that of a cooperating U.S. citizen) and a basic internet connection.

22 posted on 03/06/2006 1:25:57 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: mlc9852

You attitude is why we have the illegal immigration problem today -- a total unwillingness to try things that will help bring this problem under control.

None of the solutions are perfect, but they are all needed to get this problem handled now for national security reasons, if not for the economic hardship it imposes on American citizens.

Many of the governments in Latin America now depend on the American dollars being sent back to the home countries. We need to curtail it so these nations, particularly Mexico, will cooperate with the US Government in making people use the legal immigration system.

Kaloogian, as usual, is out front with ideas to solve problems. That is why he is so popular with conservatives. So stop being so negative and get with the program!


23 posted on 03/06/2006 1:26:19 PM PST by RWGuy
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To: massgopguy
This will force Mexicans to physically take the money back and when they try to cross the border with more than $25 G's it get confiscated.

Either that or it will force them to set up bank accounts at Bank of America for deposits, so people can withdraw the cash down in Mexico...

http://www.bankofamerica.com/newsroom/press/press.cfm?PressID=press.20030929.01.htm&LOBID=5

24 posted on 03/06/2006 1:26:54 PM PST by Vladiator
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To: mlc9852
There's somewhere between 10-15 million. They send back BILLIONS to Mexico. If Kaloogian manages to put in jeopardy even 5-10% of that money then Mexico is in trouble and needs to bargain to stop such a proposal.

It's like Strategic Defense Initiative with the Soviets.

In this case though its addressing where the money is.

Follow the money!

25 posted on 03/06/2006 1:27:44 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

"Illegals use wire transfers of cash because there is a giant underground cash-for-labor economy that they earn their income from."

They also come into the post office and buy international money orders and mail them to Mexico. They go to convenience stores and buy money orders, specifically drawn on Mexican banks, too.

This is a stupid idea, and it won't work. It will merely make more paperwork for those who deal with this money. So Jesus is an illegal. His cousin, Jose, is a US citizen. So, Jesus goes with Jose to the Western Union and Jose hands the money over and sends the wire. Jose shows his driver's license or his passport, for Pete's sake. The money gets wired.

It's that simple. And for those illegals who don't have a cousin who is a citizen, some enterprising citizen will start a business taking the cash to the Western Union and wiring it off.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.


26 posted on 03/06/2006 1:28:36 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: martin_fierro

Living in California I can tell you that in the spider holes I've seen and the houses with 10+ illegals living in them, not many had DSL, dialup, or Broadband.


27 posted on 03/06/2006 1:28:49 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
Even Canada requires foreigners to pay for utilizing its public services. We can't afford to give out public benefits to non-citizens for free. Its not fair to the American taxpayer to ask them to make up the difference. There's no reason in the world why illegal aliens should not be assessed the costs of using public services in this country, whether its public education, health, welfare or social services. Its time they paid their fair share like every one else.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

28 posted on 03/06/2006 1:30:27 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWGuy

My idea is and always has been to seriously PUNISH those employers/owners who HIRE illegals! Simple, really. But if you feel better punishing the minimum wage clerks, go right ahead. They can always move on to McDonalds.


29 posted on 03/06/2006 1:31:03 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: MineralMan
I don't think you understand the proposal.

What paperwork are you even talking about.

When a published copy of the proposal is printed I'll try to send you one, because you seem to gloss over the points and don't understand the reasons that illegal aliens use the wire transfers and don't mail the money home in the first place!

30 posted on 03/06/2006 1:31:06 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: goldstategop

I sooo love your Denny Crane signature!


31 posted on 03/06/2006 1:31:39 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: MineralMan

Once again I find myself in total agreement with you!


32 posted on 03/06/2006 1:31:46 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: MineralMan
It's that simple. And for those illegals who don't have a cousin who is a citizen, some enterprising citizen will start a business taking the cash to the Western Union and wiring it off.

Sometimes, I wonder whether a proposed measure to curb illegal immigration is actually intended to curb illegal immigration, or to provide less-than-honest folks a way to make money off of illegal immigration.

Then again, I doubt that any politician would consort with any folks who fit the description of "less-than-honest." (BTW, that last sentence is EXTREME SARCASM).

(((:~)>

33 posted on 03/06/2006 1:31:58 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: mlc9852
"But if you feel better punishing the minimum wage clerks, go right ahead. "

Totally agree with you about the businesses that hire illegals, but remember, alot of the hiring isn't done by big corporations but small time under the table jobs.

And you are not going after the clerks as the target really, just as you aren't going after the clerk at the mini mart who sells tobacco and alcohol to minors.

The people who get into big trouble are the shop owners for not complying with the law, just as the people in this case are the people who run the Money Transfer shop you walk into to send the money. They are in this to make a profit/for cash, and if they lose money from breaking the law then they won't keep looking the other way.

34 posted on 03/06/2006 1:33:54 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

actually the IRS issues tax payer ids to illegals now so they don't need SSNs. I know there are still some people paying illegals with cash, but the tax ids are how the big corps can hire them.


35 posted on 03/06/2006 1:34:15 PM PST by RolandBurnam (I WANT SOME PORK RINDS!!!!!)
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To: Impeach98
Living in California I can tell you that in the spider holes I've seen and the houses with 10+ illegals living in them, not many had DSL, dialup, or Broadband.

Good thing public libraries don't provide free internet access.

Whoops! They do. (I live in CA, too. Can I also claim to be an expert on that basis?)

36 posted on 03/06/2006 1:34:21 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Vladiator

LOL, when BOA systems crashed and my paycheck didn't get autodeposited. I was offered three times to wire money to Mexico while I was on hold.


37 posted on 03/06/2006 1:34:29 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: mlc9852

"Once again I find myself in total agreement with you!"

Shocking, isn't it? [grin]


38 posted on 03/06/2006 1:35:03 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Impeach98
Actually it is the clerks who sell beer and cigarettes to under-aged kids who end up getting arrested (at least where I live) and the "owners" are free to just hire someone else. Large and small employers/owners should be solely responsible for hiring illegals and severely punished and fined. Won't happen, though.
39 posted on 03/06/2006 1:35:51 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Williams

Zero chance.


40 posted on 03/06/2006 1:36:09 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Submitted for your approval.)
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