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The cult of the mean girl
TORONTO STAR ^ | Mar. 5, 2006 | LESLIE SCRIVENER

Posted on 03/06/2006 9:51:00 PM PST by tbird5

It happens to the best of women. Here's Rosalind Wiseman, who has spent her entire working life teaching girls to treat each other decently. The script for the movie Mean Girls was based on her 2002 best-selling Queen Bees & Wannabes, a book that helps parents understand the drama and danger in the adolescent girl world. She knows the minefields that lie in gossip, jealousy, disloyalty and cruel judgments, and offers solid prescriptions for changing bad behaviour.

Yet despite her experience, she recently found herself sizing up two mothers who came to see her.

In her view, the women paid too much attention to their appearance, especially their hair. They seemed catty in their conversation, were micromanaging their kids' lives, and were silly.

"All these things came into my head. Why? They are antithetical to what I teach and believe," Wiseman says. "I was still judging these women."

Where does this nastiness come from?

Wiseman thinks it exists because it's supposed to exist. Being nasty to each other is one of the unspoken rules about how girls and women are supposed to behave; one of the rigidly enforced North American standards of what constitutes femininity.

"It's everything you know but haven't been sat down and taught," as Wiseman puts it.

When she judged the two women so harshly, it was as if she was acting out one of the observations she made in her book — that girls and women can be their own worst enemies.

(Excerpt) Read more at thestar.com ...


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1 posted on 03/06/2006 9:51:02 PM PST by tbird5
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To: tbird5

What is especially sad is that teen girls today enjoy acting like this to each other. It's cool to be a bi***. I've heard conversations about how proud they were to put another down, listened to tears and sobbing because girls were mean, then a week later heard a story about how sobbing girl turned around and did the same to someone else. If you aren't tough and mean, you're weak.

What's especially ironic is that the movie "Mean Girls" apparently had the exact opposite effect that the book it was based on intended. Teen girls I know LOVE that movie. Kind of like "Heathers." It's very cool.


2 posted on 03/06/2006 10:09:19 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: tbird5

Interesting article! I see mean women all the time. I've worked for mean women, as well. And let me tell you, working for a woman supervisor can be the toughest job. I've had some great nursing supervisors, but there have been that couple who are terrible, vindictive, spiteful, etc. Female principals are pretty much the same...most, anyway!


3 posted on 03/06/2006 10:09:24 PM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: tbird5

Obvious _ I _ C _ ping. I could not resist. Call me weak and obvious.


4 posted on 03/06/2006 10:10:46 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: tbird5

I have only seen the trailer for this film, but man alive, it seems pretty violent; not beheadings or knifings, just endless face-slappings and punching. Didn't appeal to me much.


5 posted on 03/06/2006 10:42:20 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Funny taglines are value plays.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
It's pretty tame compared to Heathers. It does pretty accurately sum up how I saw the girls in my high school acting though.

This is one reason it is great to be a guy. If you really have that big a problem with someone you can just duke it out. And 3 hours later be cool with each other. Girls take their issues with each other to the grave.
6 posted on 03/06/2006 10:45:39 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: Mr. Blonde
Very true. One of the reasons I hate working with women is that they take such things personally and get in pissing contests with each other over stupid personal sh-t that has nothing to do with business.

Of course, these women really get it when they try such catiness with us guys. I remember, years ago, receiving a nasty email from the head of my bank's legal department, which she copied to my boss. I replied that she could shove her comments up her fat a-s.

7 posted on 03/06/2006 10:51:48 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Clemenza

I personally love seeing sorority girls try to act all high and mighty around guys who aren't in Frats. They aren't used to having a guy telling them what they really think of how they are acting. They are used to getting to act like they are better than everyone and not having anyone bust them back down. It's a beautiful sight.


8 posted on 03/06/2006 10:59:18 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: tbird5
Being nasty to each other is one of the unspoken rules about how girls and women are supposed to behave; one of the rigidly enforced North American standards of what constitutes femininity.

Horse Hockey.

It is the synergistic effects of bad behavior, female ease with practicing flagrant duplicity, and the dissonance that comes from outright refusal to accept responsibility for ones actions despite all evidence.

9 posted on 03/06/2006 11:20:22 PM PST by papertyger
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To: xsmommy

Pinging the Alpha Mean Grrrrl.

< |:0~


10 posted on 03/06/2006 11:33:32 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Clemenza

Someone should have told Charlie Brown about that in re Lucy.


11 posted on 03/06/2006 11:34:18 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: tbird5
"It's impossible to talk about this issue without talking about patriarchy — it sets women up against each other,"

I knew it had to be in there somewhere.

12 posted on 03/06/2006 11:44:37 PM PST by TChad
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To: Mr. Blonde
When I was in University it was required that all BA students take a 3rd or 4th year Science elective. A course known as Environmental Management Practices had a reputation for being the easiest of them, so it attracted all the Sorority types.

What was not advertised about this course is that it included fieldtrips to sewage treatment plants, landfills and mine.

My best memory of university is the sorority girls at the sewage treatment plant. It wasn't invented yet, but I would have killed for a camcorder. "Like oh. my. god. I am not going in there"

I would have taken that course five times given the chance.

13 posted on 03/06/2006 11:53:59 PM PST by Energy Alley
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To: Energy Alley

Just damn. Where can I sign up for that one ? I'd pay money to see that.

In my engineering school we had the antithesis of that... take one social studies elective. One guess what it was. Oh yea. Women's studies. God. I'd have taken the sewers and landfills any day over that...


14 posted on 03/07/2006 12:09:09 AM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: tbird5
From article: one of the rigidly enforced North American standards of what constitutes femininity

Oh crapola. "North American standard"? Then I suppose 4000000 BC years ago, there was North America...

15 posted on 03/07/2006 3:24:17 AM PST by Alia
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To: Dashing Dasher; Millee; PaulaB; Xenalyte; najida

Women-bashing ping.


16 posted on 03/07/2006 3:32:01 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: cgk

It's just bullying, in a less violent form.


17 posted on 03/07/2006 3:41:14 AM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: Allegra

Not bashing, just observations of the all too common cattiness that I'm sure bothers you as much if not more than men.


18 posted on 03/07/2006 3:44:10 AM PST by Toby06 (Check out my revised profile!)
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To: Clemenza
Very true. One of the reasons I hate working with women is that they take such things personally and get in pissing contests with each other over stupid personal sh-t that has nothing to do with business.

Yep. We're all exactly like that. Every one of us is the same.

:eyeroll: It amazes me how many woman-haters I have met. I often wonder if that hatred is compensation for something lacking or if it's bitterness remaining from that pretty high school girl who turned them down for the prom...

I sure don't get it, though. thank goodness I know plenty of men who are secure in themselves, act decently and don't have all these "issues."

19 posted on 03/07/2006 3:47:11 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Toby06
...I'm sure bothers you as much if not more than men.

Oh, I can't stand catty, jealous women. (Plus, I'd rather go to an NFL game than go {shudder!} shopping.)

It's the sweeping generalizations being made by some (not all) on this thread that are somewhat disturbing.

20 posted on 03/07/2006 4:05:29 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: papertyger
that comes from outright refusal to accept responsibility for ones actions despite all evidence

It isn't a refusal in the strict sense of a determined decision. Rather it is based on the feminine ideal of "not being there" as a finite, defined identity. Only such identities can be responsible because that is how one gets to appear [to oneself at least] as someone. If you are not "someone", there is no question of responsibility or accountability.

Women [especially] are caught in the dynamics of the back and forth of the evidence that they do appear as "someone", "that one", vs. the innate sense that things are just happening, like in a flowing river; and they are not "actors" or "directors" or "agents" causing things to happen. It is much easier to see others as the agents or causes of the problems and difficulties. Seeing oneself as a "subject", a "self", is particularly hard. It is so counter to the innate sense of how things are or should be.

21 posted on 03/07/2006 4:36:33 AM PST by ontos-on
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To: Allegra

So what else is new here? :)

No comment, other than women use words better than men and we know it ;)

OK, off to destroy another society and even a universe with my sharp tongue.


22 posted on 03/07/2006 4:56:38 AM PST by najida (Me arguing for logic and against emotion is like Mother Teresa becoming a pole dancer.)
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To: Allegra

In this town this seems true of a sizeable segment of the high school girls but doesn't touch the Vietnamese community at all.This generation is not quite the straight A go go academics that their older cousins were but they do not get into the social crap at all. On the other hand many of the boys 15-20 years ago were really into gangs and stuff. That seem to be a fad that has passed now.


23 posted on 03/07/2006 5:32:49 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: tbird5

This is exactly the reason I always preferred hanging out with guys/men as opposed to girls/women. I'm closing in on 40 and let me tell you, a lot of these women never outgrow that behavior.


24 posted on 03/07/2006 5:36:02 AM PST by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: derllak

Mean Girl ping ;)


25 posted on 03/07/2006 5:43:03 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Allegra

Sweetheart, I harbor NO bitterness toward the xx chromosome brigade. Just stating observations from the workplace.


26 posted on 03/07/2006 5:44:41 AM PST by Clemenza (President: North American Hobbit Hunters Society)
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To: cgk

Feminists and their lies are destroying our communities.... As a man I say this, women are the community... stay at home moms and elderly women are the ones who create, nurture, define and pass on the fundamental structures of our culture and communities... they are the ones who do the heavy lifting to keep societies going.

While many of the positions of visible "power" may belong to men, and they may deal with the garbage getting collected, the streets being paved and cleaned and the parks being operations... Women and their actions with each other day to day, particularly the stay at home moms are the backbone.

You don't need to go far to see it, go look at a neighborhood with 1 income 2 parent homes are more the norm vs one where this is not the case.... the difference is night and day.. The schools perform generally better... the community is filled with organizations constantly working to improve things.... etc etc etc...

Feminism and the lies and behaviors it attacks and applauds are for the most part fundamentally at odds with a safe, sane and good society and culture.


27 posted on 03/07/2006 5:46:54 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Clemenza
Sweetheart, I harbor NO bitterness toward the xx chromosome brigade. Just stating observations from the workplace.

So that "sweetheart" isn't meant in any sort of degrading or derisive manner then.

(Busted! ;-) )

28 posted on 03/07/2006 5:57:39 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: HamiltonJay
"women are the ones who create, nurture, define and pass on the fundamental structures of our culture and communities... they are the ones who do the heavy lifting to keep societies going. "

Men have abdicated their authentic role of forming and maintaining the structure of the culture. You are only obserfving the aftermath of that abdication. Your comments are not essential but only accidental.

29 posted on 03/07/2006 9:01:20 AM PST by ontos-on
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Are you implying that I'm a mean girl? I'll have you know I'm a friggin' little angel! You say anything different and I'll be taking you down hard! :)
I never did buy into all that feminism crap. Maybe coming from a home with a sweet and loving mother was what kept me from believing what all those bitter old feminists were spouting as gospel. I love you mom, you're the best!


30 posted on 03/07/2006 9:05:16 AM PST by derllak
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To: Dashing Dasher

I learned from Alexis Carrington.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 9:06:02 AM PST by Feiny ( "Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the steps? " ~ Barney Fife)
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To: Millee

The Heartless Manifesto

Do really sappy, insipid, "always and forever" love poems make you want to puke? (and that goes for Bon Jovi lyrics too!)

Do you find typical "Women's Magazines" to be either stomach turning or pathetically laughable?

Are you tired of the walking wounded moping around expecting that the world owes them something because they are victims?

Do you find the likes of Michael Bolton and Kenny G. revolting?

Does the sight of an incredibly handsome man turn you off, cause so many of them have room-temperature IQ's, and obnoxious or non-existent personalities?

Are you sick of lazy women who use emotional and sexual manipulation to get what they want instead of using their own brains and muscles?

Are you fed up with women who feel they HAVE to be in a "Relationship" in order to be whole, and will sacrifice their self-esteem and personal growth in order to avoid being on their own?

Are you tired of men and women who are emotional children, and won't accept responsibility for their actions or behavior?

Do you want to SMACK women who play "helpless" just to gain male attention and stroke male egos?

Have you run out of sympathy for your Female friends who continually whine about how awful MEN ARE, but then they keep dating the same kind of ASSHOLES, over and OVER, AND OVER AGAIN!?

Are you fed up with your Male friends who are looking to date a woman with the appearance of a supermodel, and yet they continually whine about how "women don't like nice guys - they only want good-looking assholes"???

Do the words "If you REALLY loved me...." turn your heart to ice??!!!

Do you retch in response to "The Rules", and laugh uproariously at "The Code"?

Have you HAD IT with people telling you that you are TOO LOUD, TOO ASSERTIVE, or TOO OPINIONATED?

Do you wish you had a button that said: "Thank you for sharing, now SHUT UP and quit Whining!" ????

Do you ever get tired of those whiners and their online "journals"? Or the guys who hit on you and you politely decline, and they keep pestering you and pestering you, and pestering you like some obnoxious, festering, pus-filled sore, until you finally have to WHAP them over the head with a VERY LARGE CLUE-BY-FOUR (tm)....?

Do you feel like you might as well "get hung for a sheep as a lamb", because no matter how POLITELY you try to turn down some guy's advances, you invariably get called a "Bitch"?

If you answered YES to all of the above, then Heartless Bitches International wants YOU. Heartless Bitches is now recruiting!


32 posted on 03/07/2006 9:10:40 AM PST by Feiny ( "Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the steps? " ~ Barney Fife)
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To: Dashing Dasher

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/


33 posted on 03/07/2006 9:13:37 AM PST by Feiny ( "Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the steps? " ~ Barney Fife)
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To: feinswinesuksass

Um, not work safe. :0)


34 posted on 03/07/2006 9:18:23 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: Shery

I hate working for women, and I am a woman.


35 posted on 03/07/2006 9:18:58 AM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Skooz

Sorry. Here is a Garbo quote:


"All alike, you men. You only want the satisfaction of being through with us first, that's all. So far I've had the good fortune of beating you to it. So I am heartless."

-- Greta Garbo, from the movie Inspiration (1931)


36 posted on 03/07/2006 9:19:34 AM PST by Feiny ( "Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the steps? " ~ Barney Fife)
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To: feinswinesuksass

ROFL!! Sign me up!!


37 posted on 03/07/2006 9:19:58 AM PST by Millee (Don't make me get out my voodoo doll out!)
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To: Allegra

A little defensive aren't we? Article hit too close to home?


38 posted on 03/07/2006 9:21:35 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Energy Alley

That's hilarious. I would have paid money for that too. :-)


39 posted on 03/07/2006 9:22:33 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: derllak

uh huh take me down fast eh?

lol darlin my left boot weighs more than you do ;)


40 posted on 03/07/2006 9:23:26 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: tbird5

My wife has been a teacher for 15 years, and the levels of cattiness and stab-in-the-back behavior she has witnessed from her fellow female teachers is astonishing.

She has repeated, over and over, "I hate working with women. They are almost all like that."


41 posted on 03/07/2006 9:23:52 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: tbird5

FWIW, here is a little something from H.L. Mencken. Women are feral realists:

Henry Louis Mencken once wrote "A man’s women folk, whatever their outward show of respect for his merit and authority, always regard him secretly as an ass, and with something akin to pity" (1). While Mencken’s blunt declaration provides shock-value humor, it is also a serious and profound statement that reflects his intellectual deviation from the gender stereotypes of his time.

Mencken’s ideas about the societal roles of women differed greatly from those of traditional, conservative, Victorian Americans in the nineteen twenties. In fact, he frequently criticized this genre of Americans, whom he labeled the "booboise", for their "provincialism of attitude in manners, morals, politics, and taste" (Martin 67). In order to compare Mencken’s view with that of the "booboise", however, traditional ideas about gender roles must first be explored.

Women in the 1920’s were placed in a socially subordinate position relative to their male counterparts. This was influenced directly by the preceding Victorian era, in which women were expected to be subservient to men in nearly all walks of life. But, even with the "New Woman" of the modern era and notions of female empowerment, the advertising industry still did much to perpetuate ideas of the woman as a domestic servant (Horn 104). Thus, women in the twenties were viewed as domestic creatures, second class citizens, and emotional beings.

The advertisement pages of any "Ladies Home Journal" or "Vanity Fair" from the roaring twenties can testify that women were viewed in this time as the administrators of domestic life. Though the flood of new consumer products promised to "empower" women by offering the right to choose, the twenties paradoxically imprisoned them by further entrenching the connection between women and the private, domestic world. This necessarily precluded women from participating in the public arenas of politics, government, and business on the same level as men.

This is not to say that there were no women active outside of the family domain. Women created potent political lobbies, fought for birth control rights, started businesses, and entered the work force. Many women succeeded in areas typically deemed "masculine". These success, however, were only relative to previous eras of exclusion and remained extremely limited. For example, it has been noted that female voter turnout was significantly lower than that of males, racial and socioeconomic barriers limited the political power of women as a whole, and women attained only a fraction of the pay, skills, and status of men in the workplace. (Dumenil 108-112). Women were indeed "second class citizens" in the United States. Even the discourse and rhetoric of the times constructed women in the public sphere as second rate. Law professionals were called "lady lawyers" and government officials were referred to as "lady magistrates."

Finally, there pervaded in the twenties a conviction that women were emotionally guided individuals, usually incapable of thinking rationally. This notion perhaps has its roots, again, in the Victorian culture. The biological ability of the woman to bear children branded her as the caretaker, mother, and consequently, the giver of moral and emotional guidance. This feminine lack of reason served largely as the justification to exclude women from the realm of the public.

Mencken’s ideas about the roles of women countered those prominent at the time. He made public his ideas in the 1918 book "In Defense of Women". He attempted to explain the vast social mischaracterization of women and satirically scrutinize middle-class notions of masculinity.

Women, according to Mr. Mencken, were not a second class group of individuals, but an inherently superior one. He argued in his gender treatise that the source of a woman’s superiority lay in her intelligence when he wrote that "women, in point of fact, are not only intelligent: they have an almost monopoly on certain of the subtler and more utile forms of intelligence. The thing itself, indeed, might be reasonably described as a special feminine character" (8-9). Mencken argues further that the feminine intelligence has been mischaracterized throughout history and labeled as "women’s’ intuition". This "intuition," he claims, is nothing more than a male social construct, invented to mask the raw intelligence of women (28). Mencken concedes in his writings, however, that women have historically been and shall continue to be utter failures in law, business, and other "masculine" fields of interest. But, he challenges the validity of these domains and calls them "superficial", "imbecile" and "childish" practices which put "little more strain on the mental powers than a chimpanzee suffers in learning to scratch a match" (13). Women tend to succeed as teachers, nurses, and artists. These are the trades that Mencken hails as requiring ingenuity, quick comprehension, and courage (23). So, while he held that no external societal forces barred women from entering the public domain, women gravitated naturally toward the occupations that were truly worthwhile and beneficial to society, and thus away from law, business, and government.

These ideas strongly challenged the old-stock American views that women were subordinate and that their domestic role was a product of natural male superiority. In his mind, women were the leaders of the race and their role in the private sphere was only a result conscious rejection of the mind-numbing and intellectually futile public sphere of men.



Mencken also directly contested the notion of women as emotionally guided creatures by asserting that "women are not sentimental, i.e., not prone to permit mere emotion and illusion to corrupt their estimation of a situation. The doctrine, perhaps, will raise a protest" (29). To evidence this claim, he sites the example of monogamous marriage, which he claims men run from and women pursue adamantly. Mencken’s argument is that the occurrence of marriage in society proves that women alone have the capacity to maintain cool-headed and pursue their long-term interests without being subject to emotional distractions, such as love or pulchritude. Men, on the other hand, eventually give in and marry (though it is ultimately against their best interests). They are "bowled over in a combat of wits" (Mencken 32). Thus it is clear to Mencken that women are the harsh realists of the species rather than the emotional idealists. Mencken also scoffs at the suggestion that a woman’s maternal instinct and caretaker mentality naturally assign her an emotional role. He argues that this maternity comes only from pity for the weaker male sex and out of necessity. All men are boys, in Mencken’s opinion, that are still nourished by a mother’s milk.

Benjamin De Casseres once said "[Mencken] puts his finger squarely and surely on the eternal enemy of superior men: women" (qtd. in Schaum, 379). The concept of men as superior beings pervaded most of the cultural mores in America during the twenties. Henry Louis Mencken’s views of womens’ roles in society contrasted deeply with those mores. Mecken, lead the modern crusade against Calvinist patriarchal structures (Martin 69).

It is critical to explore Mencken’s analysis of societal gender roles on a level of pure understanding. Before a true understanding of how gender roles functioned in the twenties (and during other periods in our history), one must be aware of the many contrasting ideas that existed. Consciousness precedes understanding, and Mencken’s view exemplifies a situation in which it is vital to raise consciousness about a set of ideas that did not conform to social dogma in order for a broader understanding to be attained.



Adler, Betty. H.L.M. The Mencken Bibliography. Baltimore:John Hopkins Press 1961

Bulsterbaum, Allison. H.L. Mencken: A Research Guide. New York and London: Garland Publishig, 1988

Dumenil, Lynn. The Modern Temper: American Culture and Society in the 1920's. New York: Hill and Wang

Horn, Pamela. Women in the 1920's. United Kindgom: Alan Sutton Publishing, 1995.

Martin, Edward A. "H.L. Mencken and Equal Rights for Women." The Georgia Review 35 (1981): 65-76

Schaum, Melita. "H.L. Mencken and American Cultural Masculinism." Journal of American Studies 29 (1995): 379-398

Mencken, Henry Louis. In Defense fo Women. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1918



42 posted on 03/07/2006 9:25:55 AM PST by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: Clemenza
Of course, these women really get it when they try such catiness with us guys.

Not all guys. Usually the catty woman are able to play the supervising men. I'm not catty, and I probably would have gotten further in life being catty. However, most catty women turn out to be bitter. I hope never to grow bitter with life.

43 posted on 03/07/2006 9:34:45 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (LET NO ONE BE FORGOTTEN, LET NO ONE FORGET)
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To: Allegra

You know, it's really hard to tell when you're kidding. And I normally love to watch y'all beat up on the woman-haters. But this thread is not one of them. The behavior outlined in this article is quite prevalent in the school and workplace, and has been documented. Heck, my WIFE says she hates working with women, and she's a lot like you. You are the exception that proves the rule.

Oh, and you couldn't possibly like going to NFL games. You're a Texan's fan ;)


44 posted on 03/07/2006 9:45:23 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Warren_Piece
Oh, and you couldn't possibly like going to NFL games. You're a Texan's fan ;)

Rowwrrr....hissss!

;-)

45 posted on 03/07/2006 9:50:35 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Sir Gawain
A little defensive aren't we? Article hit too close to home?

My goodness, that's rude, nasty, presumptuous and ugly. You don't know anything about me at all.

Obviously.

I do believe you have joined a small group of people on this forum with whom I choose not to associate. Congratulations.

{snicker}

46 posted on 03/07/2006 9:54:45 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Allegra

{yawn}


47 posted on 03/07/2006 9:56:53 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: tbird5

"It's impossible to talk about this issue without talking about patriarchy — it sets women up against each other,"

Hey! It took nearly half of the article before it came out that it's mens fault for women being bitches to each other.


48 posted on 03/07/2006 10:11:04 AM PST by saleman
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To: Warren_Piece

It is true....the women I have had as bosses were horrible.....but so were most of the male bosses.


49 posted on 03/07/2006 10:11:46 AM PST by Feiny ( "Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the steps? " ~ Barney Fife)
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To: cgk

If guys were like this to each other, the women would out-number us three to one because we would beat each other to death.

And, women, don't think this is limited to just women with women. Wives to husbands do similar things.

"You aren't wearing THAT shirt with those sweat pants are you?"
"Yeah, why?"
"Because they don't match."
"I don't care, I am going to be sweating and they will be dirty when I get back."
"I'm just saying..."
"OK, fine. I won't go jogging. I'll just watch TV."

Ten minutes later...
"NO wonder you're fat. You just sit and watch TV. You need to get out and exercise!"
"You're right, hon. I'll go jogging."
"You aren't wearing THAT shirt with those sweat pants are you?"


50 posted on 03/07/2006 10:18:06 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "I believe Hillary is the aunti-christ.")
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