Posted on 03/06/2006 11:46:37 PM PST by baseball_fan
found the article posted in its entirety here:
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/22559.html
From a purely military standpoint, this may be correct, but add in the socio-political equation and it gets pretty muddy. As our own beloved Democratic Party proves; it doesn't take an IQ of 100 to vote...
Countries don't die; but countries'inhabitants change -- generally with violent result.
What happens when an immigrant majority controls a democratic country that is an established power? How does a democratic form of government institute control over a majority of its populace?
Europe couldn't even stand up to E Germany, during the cold war, without us taking the lead. Europe will wake up, when the USA kicks the door in and kicks their A$&es out of their beds...then and only then will they wake up.
If you ask me, it's pretty pathetic when there are Westerners suggesting that the way for our culture to "succeed" is to outbreed the human equivalent of feral cats. If we do that, we won't have succeeded; we'll have sunk to their level. Fortunately, I don't think the purveyors of this nonsense will have much luck persuading Western women that they should have more babies, so that they can send the "extras" off to engage in endless bloody warfare with the Arab hordes.
And re the IQ difference, that would narrow quickly if Westerners took up the Arab world's breeding habits. A difference of that size is easily accounted for by malnutrition in utero and in early childhood. If we increase the percentage of Westerners who are making babies that they can't or won't support properly, our average IQ will start sliding downhill. As it is, many of the most intelligent Westerners are limiting their child-bearing in large part because of the huge tax burden imposed on them by governments which force them to pay for raising the many children produced by less intelligent Westerners. An aggressive program to cut births among the welfare class would certainly cause a rise in births among the educated, productive class, and an accompanying rise in average IQ.
As it is, many of the most intelligent Westerners are limiting their child-bearing in large part because of the huge tax burden imposed on them by governments which force them to pay for raising the many children produced by less intelligent Westerners.
While there is some truth to this, I think feminism (career over family) and materialism (having the best stuff trumps everything) is as much or more to blame. The flip side of the coin is that the Arab hordes are sure making use of their extras to fuel their Jihad (intentionally or not). The West has to deal with that somehow--so far. we've been doing it poorly. Our politicians (egged on by economists) are obsessed by getting the immigrants in so we can make up for our dearth of children. They seem not to care that we are importing lots of Muslims as well--and the ultimate impact that will have.
Good analysis--I agree with just about everything you've said. I think Europe has a ways to go before it really "awakens". Their dilemma is that in order to solve their Muslim problem, they've got to jettison the politically correct dogma they've been preaching for the last 20 years. Admitting you're wrong is a formidable psychological hurdle.
Men have been doing the "career over family" act for a long, long time, and women finally figured out why. Don't look for that trend to reverse. But it usually results in a choice for late child-bearing, rather than no child-bearing. Medical technology has already gone a long way toward eliminating the biological obstacles to having as many children as are wanted, at any age, and progress is continuing fast.
The bigger problem is socialism, which is raiding the resources of the productive class to support the offspring of the non-productive class. Socialism is also at the root of the illegal immigration problem -- not only because of all the federally mandated perks of illegal immigration (free schooling for the ids, free emergency medical care, etc.), but because illegal immigration is needed in order to prop up socialism, which is in turn needed by politicians who use government hand-outs to buy votes.
Dump the socialist policies of minimum wages, tax code coercion or (in some states) outright requirements for employers to provide medical insurance, housing codes which mandate middle class living standards for the poor (thus driving up the price of housing, and pushing more people into the position of not being able to make ends meet), liberal unemployment benefits, and federally funded financial aid for college and job training programs, and suddenly the "need" for all these illegal workers will vanish, as citizens march into all those jobs because their free ride has ended and employers can hire them legally for what they're really worth.
Well said. And what's with the influx of these articles on FR lately? Has some whackjob interest group gotten its marching orders from someone?Earlier this week, some maniac was actually suggesting that American adults without children shouldn't be allowed to vote!
So it would seem. It's basically an extension of the extreme wing of the anti-abortion movement, which also tends to harbor a belief that God ordained that women should aspire to a lifetime of being barefoot, pregnant, and busy 24/7 with attending to the basic needs of a mob of children. They are against ANYTHING that involves any kind of contraception or any other mode of limiting births.
They seem oblivious to the fact that low birthrates are a hallmark of civilization, while high birthrates are a hallmark of 3rd world hellholes. They are not worried about overpopulation in the slightest (I've seen assertions here that the entire present population of the planet could live comfortably in the state of Texas, apparently assuming that everyone would live on manna air-dropped from heaven, since all the farm/ranchland would have been converted into residential property), and are utterly blind to the correlation between high birthrates and persistent economic and educational stagnation, and the susceptibility to socialist and/or totalitarian forms of government which always accompanies persistent economic and educational stagnation.
They are convinced that all the problems of the world would be solved if everyone would just marry young, never sleep with anyone but their spouse, and produce an endless stream of babies to be raised by stay-at-home mothers. They do not take note of the fact that this is the dominant pattern in Arab and Latin American societies, and is getting lousy results.
That would make just about as much sense.
That is conventional wisdom, but it is not scientifically accurate. The low IQ in the mohammedan world is in part a product of inbreeding depression; other parts of the difference are harder to account for but the difference is real, and heritable. It does not result from environmental factors, nor can it be cured by them.
Saudis and other wealthy Gulf Arabs, for instance, are not the least deprived, but they're still statistically speaking one standard deviation behind Europeans, who are themselves 0.8-1.1 or so SDs behind Ashkenazy Jews.
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Inbreeding and genetics are factors too, but IQ is most definitely affected by nutritional factors in utero and in early childhood, especially before age 2. No matter how well you feed them after that, the cognitive damage from malnutrition cannot be fully corrected. The brain is still doing critical growth and development at that age, and the developmental window then closes.
I agree with you. Unfortunately, the politicians will not let this happen. They don't want to experience all the anger people feel at having to work for a living at a job that is "beneath" them. To them, a population frustrated over illegal immigrants is preferable to one angry at doing their work.
What you say is quite true, and it may apply in poor nations in the rural areas, where the malnutrition is very real.
But it can't have an impact on the wealthy nations. There are no poor Saudis or Omanis, for instance. No citizen of the UAE is less than middle class, too.
Yet they still test out at about 85... of course, they also marry their first cousins! Even mother's milk can't be that health when mom's your aunt.
d.o.l.
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