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House Conservatives Prepare Austere Alternative Budget
New York Times ^ | March 7, 2006 | CARL HULSE

Posted on 03/07/2006 1:20:10 AM PST by RWR8189

WASHINGTON, March 6 — With Congress heading into a politically perilous budget season, influential House conservatives plan this week to propose an austere alternative spending plan that would pare more than $650 billion over five years, balance the budget and drastically shrink three cabinet agencies.

The legislation, part of a push by some Republicans to re-establish themselves as champions of fiscal restraint, was taking shape as President Bush struck a similar theme on Monday by asking Congress to grant him line-item veto power to eliminate federal spending that he might judge wasteful.

"We can't be all things to all people when it comes to spending the taxpayers' money," Mr. Bush said at a ceremony installing a new chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers.

But House conservative leaders would go far beyond the president's own budget proposal, illustrating the difficulty the White House and the Republican leadership have had in persuading the caucus to speak with one voice on the matter.

Senior aides say the conservatives' plan would wring about $350 billion from Medicare, Medicaid and other social programs and save $300 billion partly through a major reorganization of the Education, Commerce and Energy Departments.

"We are putting our money where our mouth is," said one of the officials, who would discuss the proposal only without being identified because it was still being prepared for release Wednesday by leaders of the Republican Study Committee.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alternativebudget; budget; budgetprocess; fy2007; mikepence; pence; rsc; studycommittee
Pence and all the members are the RSC are still out there fighting the good fight.
1 posted on 03/07/2006 1:20:16 AM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

I for one am ready to fight the good fight. And am glad to see there's still a spine in our party. No backing down, it's time to cowboy up. Right On Pence!


2 posted on 03/07/2006 1:23:24 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: RWR8189

This is the kind of thing we can campaign with. We will keep your taxes low, not only slow government down but shrink it, save future generations from higher taxes and debt, and not just cut our deficit but balance the budget without new taxes. It's going to be hard with our past track record but the democrats will only have there tried and failed tax and spend plans and the voters have seen through them time and time again.

It's Not To Late, Lets hope all republicans in congress rally behind this budget. If not we need to insist and insist till they beg us to leave them alone.


3 posted on 03/07/2006 1:29:11 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: RWR8189

Good post, and good news.


4 posted on 03/07/2006 1:38:56 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: spikeytx86

If passed it would be the first bill bush vetos, maybe two if he vetos the Port deal bill.


5 posted on 03/07/2006 1:39:38 AM PST by RHINO369
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To: RHINO369

Thanks for raining on my parade :(

Though sadly, your likely to be right. I hope not.


6 posted on 03/07/2006 1:41:11 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: RWR8189

Austere? When the new budget for an agency does not have a baseline of last year's budget plus inflation, I'll start considering austere as a possible adjective.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 1:44:01 AM PST by Dahoser (Time to condense the spending nonsense: Terry Tate for OMB head.)
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To: RWR8189
How about dumping the free drug program, or going back on rebuilding that gold mosque that was blown up?

How about making Iraq pay us back for some of the money we blew over there?

How about cutting back on all the aids money going to Africa? How much money does it cost to tell them about monogamy in marriage?

How much pork was in the last transportation bill?

Are these people really serious or are they just campaigning?
8 posted on 03/07/2006 1:53:45 AM PST by liliesgrandpa (The Republican Party simply can't do anything without that critical 100-seat Senate majority.)
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To: spikeytx86
We will keep your taxes low, not only slow government down but shrink it, save future generations from higher taxes and debt, and not just cut our deficit but balance the budget without new taxes.

Except this plan does none of that. Government continues to grow and the budget will not be balanced. And absent any specifics it's hard to look at this as anything other than a political stunt.

9 posted on 03/07/2006 2:01:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Except this plan does none of that. Government continues to grow and the budget will not be balanced. And absent any specifics it's hard to look at this as anything other than a political stunt.

It's at least lip service, more than we've been seeing for the congressional leadership for the last few years. If it goes beyond that lip service, great, but at least it is on the table.
10 posted on 03/07/2006 2:07:52 AM PST by kingu (Liberalism: The art of sticking your fingers in your ears and going NANANANA..)
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To: Non-Sequitur
My thoughts exactly. Every time it gets close to an election them there congress critters try to make it look like they're doing their jobs, politics as usual no matter which party controls congress. Teddy Roosevelt had it right when he said that there wasn't a lick of difference between the Democrat and the Republican parties.
11 posted on 03/07/2006 2:13:03 AM PST by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: Non-Sequitur

A cut of $650 billion over 5 years or $130 billion a year would equal a net cut in spending. Not to mention the downsizing of three agencies.

Anyways, it's the best thing I have seen come from someone in congress in years. It's better then the dribs and drabs and half measures they have been putting out.


12 posted on 03/07/2006 2:16:50 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: RWR8189
influential House conservatives plan this week to propose an austere alternative spending plan that would pare more than $650 billion over five years, balance the budget and drastically shrink three cabinet agencies

1. Talk is cheap.

2. Influential house conservatives should have been doing this years ago, not months before an election.

3. $650 billion does NOT balance the budget over 5 years

4. While this is a good idea, if falls well short of what is necessary

13 posted on 03/07/2006 2:19:04 AM PST by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: spikeytx86

The last time spending growth was held to those levels was under the Clinton administration. The current government adds almost as much off budget to spending than will be saved with these supposed cuts, and these cuts will not eliminate the deficit. It's great to say you'll cut the budget but the devil is in the details. I'll wait until I see them.


14 posted on 03/07/2006 2:24:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: WhiteGuy

The RSC is always working behind the scenes to further conservative goals within the Republican caucus, not just when the NY Times decides to do a write-up.


15 posted on 03/07/2006 2:45:46 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: RWR8189
This has no chance, look at what happended to Gingrich even when he had the support of his party to shut down government. Clinton and the libs made mincemeat of him.

I am for waiting until 'Atlas shrugs' with a return to feudalism, moats, drawbridges, chivalry the whole enchilada. GGG guns groceries gold.


BUMP

16 posted on 03/07/2006 2:54:20 AM PST by capitalist229 (Keep Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: capitalist229

Oh my, everyone is negative this morning. If there is no way to please you, why would anyone even try?


17 posted on 03/07/2006 3:23:58 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: RWR8189

[The legislation, part of a push by some Republicans to re-establish themselves as champions of fiscal restraint, was taking shape as President Bush struck a similar theme on Monday by asking Congress to grant him line-item veto power to eliminate federal spending that he might judge wasteful.]

Campaign bs for those who are facing re-election. Always been a conservative but now I realize that both parties are worthless liars and thieves. And pubs wonder why the ratings of Congress and the president are in the 30% range. The problem with them is they don't realize that the true conservative right is smarter than than the libs and neo cons and won't vote for liars and fools and liberal pubs or communist dems at the voting booths.


18 posted on 03/07/2006 3:24:44 AM PST by ohhhh ( I pray the public school system collapses for the good of the children.)
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To: RWR8189

Cheap political trick in an election year. The Republican Party no longer stands for anything in this bill.


19 posted on 03/07/2006 3:30:33 AM PST by putupjob
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To: putupjob

Go find out about Pence and the RSC.

Just because the media doesn't keep a journal of their everyday affairs doesn't mean they aren't working to advance conservative goals.


20 posted on 03/07/2006 3:33:24 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: ClaireSolt
Oh my, everyone is negative this morning.

What has the GOP done to merit anything but a cynical response to a ploy like this?

21 posted on 03/07/2006 3:38:55 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
It is a stunt. These guys run scared from the President's poll numbers, but wait until they get all the polls (we know the MSM cooks them) showing 72% want Republicans shot for making granny eat dog food, in lieu of paying her rent. reid will haul out Anna Mae Smith whose medicine was cut off from her when the "austere and draconian" cuts were implemented. CHILDREN WILL BE DYING, and Pubbies will be at about 7% approval rating.

Reality is your friend... no, it really is!

LLS
22 posted on 03/07/2006 4:23:14 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"What has the GOP done to merit anything but a cynical response to a ploy like this?"

A hell of a lot of them are sounding like schumer and the hildebeast! Some must be longing for Secretary of State... chucky schumer! Secretary of Defense... howard dean... and Attorney General... plugs biden!

LLS

23 posted on 03/07/2006 4:27:18 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Vote 4 Nixon

"there wasn't a lick of difference between the Democrat and the Republican parties."


Well, there is a great deal of difference when it comes to things of GOD and Defense!

LLS


24 posted on 03/07/2006 4:29:10 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: RWR8189
Is the Contract with America reborn? Bring back the BBA.
25 posted on 03/07/2006 5:04:07 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Non-Sequitur

The GOP has done so much that people now expect them to do everything. More to the point, what have you done but bitch? And what does that make you?


26 posted on 03/07/2006 5:52:12 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: putupjob
Agreed, look at the state of our border security, this country has gone to hell in a hand bag. Someone on here posted that at least lip service was a good thing. Well I have got to say that they weren't elected just to give lip service to the American people but to make this country a better place to live. When you compromise your principals on things like homeland defense and border security your headed the way of the Dodo IMHO.
27 posted on 03/07/2006 2:02:14 PM PST by Vote 4 Nixon
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To: ClaireSolt
The GOP has done so much that people now expect them to do everything. More to the point, what have you done but bitch? And what does that make you?

It makes me wonder what the hell the GOP has done so much of?

28 posted on 03/07/2006 2:53:25 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Vote 4 Nixon

It really kills me to see so many Freepers singing the praises of the loser phony Republicans. I am beginning to feel like Ronald Reagan when he spoke of the Democratic Party. I haven't left the Republican Party, they have left me.

And I'll never vote for Democrats, no matter what. I'll either vote for real conservatives or I'll just stop voting, period. I'll not support open borders, gold visa cards for criminal aliens and I won't take a ride on the highway to hell on selling out the country to foreign interests.


29 posted on 03/07/2006 4:48:24 PM PST by putupjob
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To: Non-Sequitur
look it up. George Bush is famuos for doing what he promises in campaigns. So far, Social Security reform is the only thing he ran on that he has not accomplished. Also they have responded to the events of 9/11 and Enron with major reforms. They have tried and convicted 500 terorists and 500 corporate crooks. They have liberated 50m people and negotiated historic trade agreements, especially with India and China to sell them clean energy technology. The economy has recovered and the DOW is back to pre 2000 bubble bursting level. But you would know this, if you hadn't had an ideological lobotomy sometime. So, I am surely wasting my time.

But what about the border, you demand. That problem peaked in 1999. Both Congress and the administration have been working on it. You cannot fix something that huge in a day.

30 posted on 03/08/2006 6:12:17 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt
The Republican party has sold out its base on border defense. They want the Hispanic vote so bad that they will do NOTHING that makes them look anti-immigrant.
31 posted on 03/08/2006 1:44:57 PM PST by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: Vote 4 Nixon

I agree that looking anti=anybody is undesirable, and the story of how they lost CA has led them to work quietly without a lot of populism. However, they have been working steadily and 1999 was the highpoint of immigration. They have not sold out, but you may well have underestimated what it will take to get this completley under control. Many have.


32 posted on 03/08/2006 3:55:25 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt
look it up. George Bush is famuos for doing what he promises in campaigns. So far, Social Security reform is the only thing he ran on that he has not accomplished

I'm laughing so hard at this that I can hardly breathe.

But what about the border, you demand. That problem peaked in 1999. Both Congress and the administration have been working on it.

Stop it!!! It hurts!!! :)
33 posted on 03/09/2006 12:07:01 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005

Better lay off that stuff.


34 posted on 03/09/2006 12:14:46 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

:)

Yeah, the caffeine in the coffee has me WIRED. I just can't believe people still think Bush has kept his campaign promises (ok, he's kept some, but what about not spending Social Security money on other things and paying down the debt?)...


35 posted on 03/09/2006 1:20:17 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: RHINO369
If passed it would be the first bill bush vetos, maybe two if he vetos the Port deal bill.

Don't worry about the veto. It will be a cold day in hell before the GOP Senate goes along with significant cuts. In the House there is a chance.

36 posted on 03/09/2006 1:23:06 PM PST by Always Right
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To: eraser2005

What makes you say he promised that? He wanted personal accounts in Social Security. It was Clinton that was hung up on paying down the debt. And it was Clinton who concealed a recession and packed regulatory agencies with cronies so that we had corporate scandals. Frankly, you don't talk about paying off debt in a down economy. Now, we did pay off $20b with last month's surplus.


37 posted on 03/09/2006 3:50:06 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt
Whoah... talk about CLUELESS. The government routinely gets monthly surpluses during certain months. January did pull a surplus, but that is normal considering quarterly corporate tax payments.

“We’re going to set aside all the payroll taxes for one thing, Social Security,” - George W. Bush, November 3, 2000

"To make sure the retirement savings of America's seniors are not diverted to any other program, my budget protects all $2.6 trillion of the Social Security surplus for Social Security and for Social Security alone" - George W. Bush, February 27, 2001

"We owe it to our children and grandchildren to act now, and I hope you will join me to pay down $2 trillion in debt during the next 10 years. At the end of those 10 years, we will have paid down all the debt that is available to retire" - George W. Bush, February 27, 2001

In 2001, The gov't raided 36 billion of the 163 billion social security surplus. In 2002-2004, it raided all $530 of the social security surplus for other spending.

The on-budget deficit for this year will be near $600 BILLION. It is readily apparent that he has backtracked on promises for social security and for debt management. Some could not be avoided (recession) - but we aren't in a recession now, and the deficit is worse than ever in absolute terms. Shouldn't we be paying off the debt now? If you think Bush is any better than Clinton on cronies, you're completely delusional.
38 posted on 03/09/2006 5:14:51 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005
If you think Bush is any better than Clinton on cronies, you're completely delusional.

I have read the quotes and I admit that things have not worked out that way. However, you did not provide any quotes from his campaign, did you?

This quote, however, indicates we cannot talk, anymore. " If you think Bush is any better than Clinton on cronies, you're completely delusional." I'll just remmind you that whereas Libby is the lone indictment, Clinton admin had 61. More important, though, many areas of the government were staffed with complete incompetents such as the electrity and corporate regulators. The need to reorganize intel and homeland security, also. It was let the good times roll and roll out of DC with rolls of dough.

I had not payed attention to politics for years, but Clinton admin was shockingly corrupt. Most of the Bush are sqeaky clean. Too bad you can't tell the differance, but since you can't I'll pass on continuing this conversation.

39 posted on 03/09/2006 6:21:04 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

The first quote - 3 days BEFORE the 2000 election. I can dig up plenty more, if you'd like.

And describing Bush's cronies as "squeaky clean" is pure BS. Its depressing that Democrats can't acknowledge Clinton's past, and even more so that Republicans (given their "claim" to moral high ground) can't acknowledge problems with the current admin.


40 posted on 03/09/2006 8:05:01 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: ClaireSolt

And you can claim 61 for Clinton - There were 47 convictions. There were 31 convictions of Reagan officials, but 138 convictions or resignations of officials under investigation for crimes. Most didn't come out until later in the second term. We'll see how many the Bush admin piles up. My guess is it will be less than Clinton, but nothing to be proud of.


41 posted on 03/09/2006 8:35:07 PM PST by eraser2005
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