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A Peculiar People: Crunchy Cons
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | March 7, 2006 | Charles Colson

Posted on 03/07/2006 6:08:18 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

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To: Designer

My daddy was a Bircher. Kinda lost me with the "Ike was a commie" stuff.


51 posted on 03/07/2006 9:01:16 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Designer

Out of curiosity did the John Birch Society have something to do with Knotts Berry Farm in Buena Park Ca.?


52 posted on 03/07/2006 9:01:50 AM PST by laney ((For GOD so loved the world..John 3:16))
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To: Mr. Silverback

We fit the crunchy con label and we are ultra conservative.


53 posted on 03/07/2006 9:07:14 AM PST by kalee
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To: laney
"..Knotts Berry Farm.."

I don't know, why? Was the owner a Bircher?

54 posted on 03/07/2006 9:10:11 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: don-o
"Kinda lost me with the "Ike was a commie" stuff."

You should read the book; "The Politician" by Robert Welch. Nowhere in that book did he ever claim that Ike was a commie. He did, however, expose Ike's propensity to support the commies. Also his two-faced political career.

55 posted on 03/07/2006 9:13:49 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: Designer

I think he was a Bircher, I just remember hearing that Birchers were really prejudice when I was a kid when I invited one of my friends to Knotts Berry Farm who happened to be jewish her parents would not let her go because of John Birch Society.
This was the day when Knotts Berry Farm had the best chicken, bisquits and Boysenberry juice ever!!!


56 posted on 03/07/2006 9:15:19 AM PST by laney ((For GOD so loved the world..John 3:16))
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To: Mr. Silverback
I've been following the discussion on Crunchy Conservatism over at NRO. I guess I get a bit lost when I see the following thrown out for contemplation/discussion:

"Christine Rosen asks: Are we worthy of our kitchens?"
- (see http://crunchycon.nationalreview.com/archives/091649.asp )

When discussions start to meander off into the above topics, they've lost me.

My grandparents were Crunchy Conservatives when being a Crunchy Con wasn't cool! ;) They were good, honest folks who owned a farm, made a living, raised their children and retired.

Probably too much is being made about what makes someone a Crunchy Con. It's not what you wear or where you live, etc. It's what you believe. My guess is there are many, many folks who consider themselves Crunchy Cons and they still buy vegetables from the store, don't make their own granola, don't own a certain brand of footwear, etc, etc.

57 posted on 03/07/2006 9:17:54 AM PST by Fury
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To: laney
"..the best chicken, bisquits and Boysenberry juice ever!!!"

Oh, Yes! We visited there and ate there many times when we lived in CA. Loved that food!

Here's where the liberal (commie?) lame-stream media has made their best effort at hindering our work: The idea that the JBS is full of prejudiced people is simply false. Prejudiced people are not allowed to join.

In fact, there are members of every race and religion in the JBS. Also, in fact, if anyone expresses any racial, ethnic, or otherwise prejudiced statement, he will be removed from the society. It has happened.

58 posted on 03/07/2006 9:26:01 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: Designer

Thanks for the clarification! you hear so much stuff constantly which I know from the liberal community is 90% false.!

Knotts Berry Farm was a great place until it became strictly a commercial venture amusement park! :(
Miss the old days alot!


59 posted on 03/07/2006 9:30:28 AM PST by laney ((For GOD so loved the world..John 3:16))
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To: laney
"Thanks for the clarification!"

You're welcome.

Check this website out:

http://www.nowitsyourmove.org/default.htm

I think you will find yourself being surprised.

I no longer post the JBS website link because that has a tendancy to kill threads.

60 posted on 03/07/2006 9:41:26 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: Designer

I will do that...


61 posted on 03/07/2006 9:46:22 AM PST by laney ((For GOD so loved the world..John 3:16))
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To: Mr. Silverback
Someone pointed out that homeschooling requires at least one parent to spend time at home with the kids. That goes against the two career pattern of today's middle class. So "crunchy" or not, homeschoolers are already at least a little alienated from the materialism of the official culture. Dreher's perceptive in giving a name to feelings and wishes that are more widespread than many would think.

In the Internet age, we believe that things are resolved by people yelling at each other until one of them wins. But external conditions and necessities are often the determining factors. If gas prices rise, or there's some environmental or public health catastrophy, people will become "crunchier" and more environmental almost in spite of themselves and what they think now. At that point, what Dreher advocates will be taken for granted. Until then, the debate is bound to just go in circles and not get anywhere.

It's human to want what one doesn't have. Today, people turn "crunchy," unplug appliances, and go "back to the land." Their kids will gaze longingly at SUVS and everything that their parents rejected. People are like that.

62 posted on 03/07/2006 10:27:52 AM PST by x
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To: GreenFreeper

To the crunchies goes the munchies. The world is populated with a lot of folk with slightly different opinions on a few items. heheh.


63 posted on 03/07/2006 11:22:51 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I sure hope you're right about homeschooled kids! They are definitely smarter and have something the ps kids don't have.... critical thinking skills.

One of the smartest young people I've met in a long time was a young Orthodox Jewish girl who went to a private school (not homeschooled) and has her own views on everything - very conservative. She's just a lovely young lady and really made me feel somewhat positive about our future, which is good, because I often feel a little pessimistic at times.


64 posted on 03/07/2006 11:25:12 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
He'd need duct tape to keep his head from exploding if he knew our dream is to have a 4000sf house that has photovoltaic solar cells in the roofing, a hugh pool of solar heated water underground with tubing running through it, through which will run the water that comes in from the city, and it will be heated by active solar collectors so that our water heating costs are negligible, and for that water to also provide our radiant under the floor heating. We want to have rainwater and grey water collection tanks so that we can use it to water the lawn and the organic square foot garden.

We're also looking to get hybrid cars that we can convert to PLUG-IN hybrids, that can be charged during the day from our photovoltaic cells. ;o)

Crunchy Cons, indeed!

65 posted on 03/07/2006 11:32:55 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Shalom Israel

Nah, you only really need boots if the weather is in the teens, or if there's a lot of slush.


66 posted on 03/07/2006 11:33:37 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: LongElegantLegs
Conservationists try to change their own behavior, Environmentalists try to change everyone else's.

Excellent definition!

67 posted on 03/07/2006 11:35:03 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Your plans sound lovely!

We plan on being off the grid to a great extent in the future. We want a simple place further north and then we'll spend half the year in Mexico running our beachside bar. :)

For now we have to spend the next ten years building our business so we can sell it for Big Bucks and retire by the time we're 55.

We're "Crunchy-Capitalist-Cons," I guess, LOL!


68 posted on 03/07/2006 11:38:08 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SuziQ
...photovoltaic solar cells in the roofing, a hugh pool of solar heated water underground with tubing running through...

Are you series? I'm stuned.

69 posted on 03/07/2006 11:38:34 AM PST by Shalom Israel (There's a reason cows ain't extinct.)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Will there be a civil war between Crunchy Cons and South Park Republicans?

Why should there be? If someone else wants to watch South Park that's fine with me. I don't happen to like it myself, but it's not my place to tell anyone else what THEY can or should watch.

70 posted on 03/07/2006 11:39:10 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Fury

Well in my "Not So Small" 4000sf solar powered and heated dream house, I want some big a$$ appliances precisely BECAUSE I like to cook. My kitchen is my workshop and I want good tools!


71 posted on 03/07/2006 11:45:09 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Shalom Israel
Oh yeah, SirKit has some awesome ideas for active solar water heating. He's designed what he believes will be an vey efficient collector that will be able to heat the pex tubing from several angles so that the collector doesn't have to move to follow the sun. As the water runs through the pex tubing, it will collect in an underground pool which will stay hot because we'll insulate it. Through that pool will run more pex tubing which will carry the potable water that comes from the city water supply to the water heater. By the time the water reaches the heater, it will no longer be 55 degrees or so, it will be more like 90, so that we won't have to pay for so much natural gas or electricity to bring it up to the temperature needed for use in the house.

We found a manufacturer that makes metal roofing with photovoltaic cells inbedded in the material. Haven't found out how much it is, but photovoltaic is still too expensive for full conversion because of the cost of the panels. When they come down in price, the return on investment will be more reasonable.

72 posted on 03/07/2006 11:51:12 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

They just profiled that roofing material on HGTV recently. They did mention the price and it was very high, but I can't recall what it was. Why not geothermal heating for water?


73 posted on 03/07/2006 12:03:59 PM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: Sisku Hanne
Why not geothermal heating for water?

We looked into geothermal, but it was hideously expensive. Now that could be because we're in MA, I don't know. We hope to move back South, so that's where all this will take place, someday.

I'll have to look on the HGTV website to see if they have a link to the roofing you saw.

74 posted on 03/07/2006 12:07:37 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

I believe the show is called "I Want That". It looked exactly like a wood shingle.


75 posted on 03/07/2006 12:19:06 PM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
There are a lot of crunchy cons in my very conservative church, in my very conservative community.

I like them a lot, and they have a lot more to offer conservatism than South Park Republicans, on most days.

Just calling them green commie hippies sorta misses the point. Although they really, really have to lose the Birkenstock thing.
76 posted on 03/07/2006 12:45:15 PM PST by horse_doc
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To: Sisku Hanne

Those are the ones I saw at the Uni-solar site. I checked it out after the President was there last week. At one point they were doing a flexible fabric that was a solar collecter. Apparently they are so backlogged, that they aren't even going to start selling the 64W roof module until May of 2006, and that's all they'll be selling then.


77 posted on 03/07/2006 12:58:23 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Paved Paradise
One of the smartest young people I've met in a long time was a young Orthodox Jewish girl who went to a private school (not homeschooled) and has her own views on everything - very conservative.

Many (though certainly not all) Orthodox Jews fit the bill as "crunchy cons." Most of their money goes toward educating their children or spending for the Sabbath & holidays. Although materialism has encroached on their society as well, many manage to live quite modestly.

I believe, anyway, that conservatism breeds modesty. It's the nature of the beast. Someone who is traditional in his values & lifestyle seems to lead a more simple life. Consumerism is tied in with ego -- the need to draw attention to oneself. The more one's attention is turned toward G-d, the less self-centered, period. And the more incentive to want to pass on values to children -- as well as have children. Liberals by their very nature have fewer children, or none at all.

78 posted on 03/07/2006 6:03:03 PM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
That’s because Christians understand—or should, at least—how pervasive what writer Dan Knauss calls the “porno-culture” is. This pervasiveness is why protecting our kids requires diligence and commitment. Dreher’s “crunchy” conservatives—mostly “crunchy” Christians—are reminders of what the apostle Peter meant when he called followers of Christ a “peculiar people.” And it’s why these “hip homeschooling mamas” and “right-wing nature lovers” are worthy of our respect, no matter what they wear on their feet or how much granola they eat.

Very nice. Thank you.

79 posted on 03/07/2006 8:12:01 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: GreenFreeper; austinrepub; peacebaby
I have a lot of the "crunchy con" traits. My husband and I homeschool our four children, I love animals and the environment (but not Greenpeace, PETA and the liberal environmentalist ilk), and although I believe in the free market, I don't believe the free market is the answer for everything. Just because something may be purchased doesn't mean it should be purchased. I believe the time I spend with our children is more important than the things we I give them. I believe in personal responsibility and charity -- not government handouts or guilt-driven or high-pressure fund drives. I like growing some of our own vegetables and herbs, and when I can afford it, I prefer organic produce. If they made a hybrid that could haul our large family, I'd be tempted!

We aren't anti-technology. We have three cell phones and four computers in our house which help us connect with the world. We also don't think technology is the answer for everything. We aren't into status, but we don't begrudge those who have it. We know money doesn't buy happiness -- but we also know it can be very useful! We are devout Christians. We support the Second Amendment and the proposed marriage amendment defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman. We're pro-life. I prefer my New Balance tennies to Birkenstocks.

Some around here would call me a RINO, but I'm solidly conservative. It's nice to know I'm not alone.

80 posted on 03/08/2006 5:15:46 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I'm going to get the book. I saw the author interviewed this morning on FOX and he's pretty interesting.


81 posted on 03/08/2006 6:12:48 AM PST by McGavin999 (I suggest the UAE form a Joint Venture Partnership with Halliburton & Wal-Mart)
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To: proxy_user
See you at the chamber music recital...

No thanks...appreciate the artistry but just can't get into it. Give me Motown and Stax stuff any day.

82 posted on 03/08/2006 6:21:42 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Who created nature . . . the Devil?

Just the really hot and cold parts at the poles and the deserts. And Massachussetts and New Jersey.

83 posted on 03/08/2006 6:30:54 AM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: Chanticleer

Amen! Great post, and my wife and I are so glad to know there are kindred spirits out there. We start homeschooling next year, and then I am opening an independent Catholic school, which will tend to attract families with views similar to ours. Keep up the great work!


84 posted on 03/08/2006 8:12:33 AM PST by austinrepub
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To: Shalom Israel

Yeah, I eat tofu, hug trees, cry at bunny funerals, plant my veges, dance in drum circles, spend my own money on charities etc.

I think it just boils down to having core beliefs in common. The rest is just window dressing.

We are a nation of individuals.... ;)


85 posted on 03/08/2006 8:17:55 AM PST by najida (Somedays you're the mud, other days the pig. Either way, you can sit in the sunshine and dry out ;))
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To: .cnI redruM
So wait a minute...if somebody believes in conservation (not envirobolshevism, but conservation) they have to get out the spear and the bear rug? Does that mean that people with cell phones and HBO can't join Ducks Unlimited?
86 posted on 03/08/2006 9:15:51 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You're added! I'm also adding you to the Wisconsin FREEPNORAD alert list. Hope you don't mind.


87 posted on 03/08/2006 9:21:54 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: MoochPooch

There is a lot of truth in your short message. I happen to be a Christian but I'm afraid that I like nice things and sometimes I can get caught up in it all. It's not really an ego thing, it's more, I think, because I truly love beautiful art, music, and so on. I notice it and so I can't stand things when they are "uglified." So, for example, if the carpet gets bad, I want new carpet. I can't help it. However, one nice thing about beauty is simplicity has its own beauty and one can have beautiful things without spending a lot of $. Anyway, I do design work so I guess it's just an innate part of me.


88 posted on 03/08/2006 9:55:37 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Chanticleer

I will NEVER understand why people think only libs care about the environment, animals and so on. God has blessed us with the earth and all that is in it and part of that blessing is for us to thank him by taking CARE of it. I am not a PETA person either or an environmental wacko or any such thing, but I know our resources are finite and I want to be a good steward of all of our blessings.

Oh, and even the Bible talks about not abusing our "beasts."

Glad you love what you do - I'm not sure I like name tags for everyone anyway - too limiting in scope.


89 posted on 03/08/2006 9:58:26 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Mr. Silverback; proxy_user

I have old STAX records (boy did you bring back memories) but I love chamber music too!!!!!

Life is grand, aint it?


90 posted on 03/08/2006 9:59:39 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Mr. Silverback

Works for me.

Wanted to also let you know that I sent the article on to my socialist BIL. The e-mail I got back from him was INSANE. I guess I'm not allowed to be conservative and touch ANY of the issues that his Marxist Party have co-opted, LOL!

What a loon.


91 posted on 03/08/2006 1:26:12 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Wanted to also let you know that I sent the article on to my socialist BIL. The e-mail I got back from him was INSANE. I guess I'm not allowed to be conservative and touch ANY of the issues that his Marxist Party have co-opted, LOL!

Just another example of the Leftist inability to cope with diversity of thought. Cheers!

92 posted on 03/08/2006 1:42:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: .cnI redruM


"Birkenstock Burkeans" my rear end. PJ O'Rourke had a more accurate sobriquet. "Birkenstock Bolsheviks."

________________________

Amen.
My mom worked full time while my father was minister of small churches earning less than 2000 bucks a year. It was not until we were grown that she was able to stay home. Her job meant we were able to wear shoes and eat meat.
Like the man said, people do lots of different things to preserve the family.


93 posted on 03/08/2006 3:26:42 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Paved Paradise
It's not really an ego thing, it's more, I think, because I truly love beautiful art, music, and so on.

So do I. Unfortunately, I have champagne tastes on a beer budget, so I have to control myself.

There's nothing wrong with appreciating nice things. Maybe people like us help keep artisans, etc. in business. It's just the blind acquisition, or consmerism as an end in itself, that's wrong.

Unfortunately, even traditional societies fall prey to the need to keep up appearances, especially when it determines their status & choice of marriage partners. It would be nice if everyone could live simply & within his means. Alas, reality can be a different matter.

94 posted on 03/08/2006 3:54:38 PM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: MoochPooch

I know what you mean. My husband and I have had some very nice cars over the years but have also bought used cars - nothing ostentatious or really envy-worthy, though I did own one of the Ford Explorers when they first came on the scene and people stopped me all the time to ask about it. I loved it BTW - this was when gasoline was reasonable too.
We keep our cars til they die and we don't buy the really lux cars either. In fact, we do a lot of things very frugally - don't eat out much for instance. My husband says my food is better than most we get out anyway, so guess that's a double blessing.

I think the Lord just wants us to be smart with what we have and, as you said, not get caught up in trying to outdo other people or maybe just try to look like we have what they have. A lot of people have nice houses with absolutely nothing in them.


95 posted on 03/08/2006 5:01:28 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Amos the Prophet
And that's a big part of what cheeses me off about the crunchies. They act like people chuck their kids in junked-out daycare centers and send both parents to work solely to buy the sports car instead of the mere Dodge Neon. Both parents work in most families these days. It's the difference between affording free-range, holier-than-thou, Crunchy Con chicken tenders and a 500 calorie a day diet of Ramen Pride.
96 posted on 03/09/2006 6:10:56 AM PST by .cnI redruM (We need John Wayne; not Brokeback Mountain.)
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