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SAUNDERS: An MP3 player for a teacher [Bennish]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/7/6 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 03/07/2006 7:45:58 AM PST by SmithL

COLORADO high-school sophomore Sean Allen couldn't convince his father that his geography teacher was as over-the-top as he contended. So Allen taped one of his teacher's rants on his MP3 player. Too bad for Jay Bennish: His 20 minute lecture ended up on talk radio.

As aired on Mike Rosen's show, Bennish said President Bush talks like Hitler: "I'm not saying that Bush and Hitler are exactly the same," but that the two share "eerie similarities." Peruvians and Iranians arguably have "a right to bomb North Carolina" because the state grows tobacco. On Sept. 11, 2001, al Qaeda operatives were "attacking legitimate targets, people who have blood on their hands, as far as they're concerned." Oh, and capitalism violates "human rights."

The Cherry Creek School District placed Bennish on paid administrative leave as it investigates whether the teacher failed to provide a balanced look at the issues. They won't find balance. I listened to the rant and what I heard was a semi-educated, self-impressed petty tyrant using the classroom as a soap box, secure in the knowledge that a bunch of teenagers couldn't out-argue him. Still, I hope the district allows Bennish to return to the classroom.

(District spokesperson Tustin Amole expects an announcement on Bennish's fate today or Wednesday.)

The school district policy sounds reasonable. The school board recognizes, "Each teacher has the right and the obligation to teach about controversial issues." The district also notes the teacher's obligation to present various views on issues. And: "Although he has the right to express his own viewpoints, he does not have the right to indoctrinate students to his views."

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1 posted on 03/07/2006 7:46:00 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
All government school classroom discourse should be on the record, just like court proceedings. Those who are paying these servants deserve to know every word they are being paid for.

It would be simple and inexpensive to have a mic in each room, uploading to the Internet for parents, students, and taxpayers to listen to.
2 posted on 03/07/2006 7:48:51 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

Maybe those little rats would actually behave in class.


3 posted on 03/07/2006 7:50:14 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: SmithL
Each teacher has the right and the obligation to teach about controversial issues.

Each teacher....math teachers? I would prefer that my child have a math teacher who teaches math.

4 posted on 03/07/2006 7:50:44 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Beelzebubba
It would be simple and inexpensive to have a mic in each room, uploading to the Internet for parents, students, and taxpayers to listen to.

Webcams. Sell commercials.

Genius!

5 posted on 03/07/2006 7:52:43 AM PST by IncPen (Torture should be safe, legal, and rare.)
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To: Freee-dame
I would prefer that my child have a math teacher who teaches math.

That would require the Union lacky to actually have a mastery of the subject.
6 posted on 03/07/2006 7:53:07 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Freee-dame

"Each teacher has the right and the obligation to teach about controversial issues."

I assume that there will be no objections when I deliver my lectures on the history of early Christianity from a historical and Bibilical perspective, then? Or perhaps the perversion of the First Amendment?

But was we all know, some rights are more equal than others.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 7:53:47 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Freee-dame
I would prefer that my child have a math teacher who teaches math

So, what should geography teachers be teaching?

8 posted on 03/07/2006 7:54:12 AM PST by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: SmithL

mics should be in all classrooms and parents should be allowed
to listen in via in the internet with a password.


9 posted on 03/07/2006 7:54:24 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: SmithL

There are plenty of good conservative teachers in public schools (my mother, for example), but they realize that the classroom is for education and not politics, so we never hear reports of teachers going on rants about the evils of the Left.

Prayers for those teachers who try to do what they're paid to do...


10 posted on 03/07/2006 7:54:30 AM PST by Zeppelin (Texas Longhorns === National Champions !!!)
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To: Beelzebubba
All government school classroom discourse should be on the record, just like court proceedings.

Yeah...and who knows...maybe the kids would behave themselves if they knew the classroom was being monitored. The Orwell crowd would freak over the idea, but what else is new. I just hope that the student doesn't get "Tripped" over the whole recording incident.

11 posted on 03/07/2006 7:55:43 AM PST by edpc
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To: Echo Talon

mics should be in all classrooms and parents should be allowed
to listen in via in the internet with a password.



I agree, but since they tell taxpayers who do not have children getting a free education that they pay because it is "for the benefit of all to have an educated society", all taxpayers whould be able to listen in.

Just like open courtrooms and open meetings laws. When the government forces people to pay and attend (imagine!) then there should be open public oversight.


12 posted on 03/07/2006 7:57:31 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: SmithL

Game over man... Game over!

13 posted on 03/07/2006 7:58:00 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (But even if he does not...)
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To: Beelzebubba

I'll go beyond that: All class lectures should be recorded by students if they so wish. The instructor is being paid to teach by the students or their parents, taping should be viewed as quality control.


14 posted on 03/07/2006 7:58:24 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: SmithL
"On Sept. 11, 2001, al Qaeda operatives were "attacking legitimate targets, people who have blood on their hands, as far as they're concerned." Oh, and capitalism violates "human rights." "

No wonder our kids are so screwed up.

15 posted on 03/07/2006 7:59:29 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: SmithL
An excellent education can be had for approximately 5% of what we pay now (if that much). If teachers' lectures were on the web, with transcripts and texts, we wouldn't need 10% of the bricks and mortar schools we've got. Those who get hits, get paid. Those that don't, don't get paid. A vew good teachers would get rich. Lousy teachers can clean toilets.

Without the need to fund the system with taxes, far more people could afford to stay home and teach their kids.

16 posted on 03/07/2006 8:00:04 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: SmithL
What liberals are most angry about is the fact that people found out.

If Sean had accused the teacher of the same without the recording, Bannish and others would have denied it and that would have been the end of it.

And the Liberals would have accused Sean of making up the story.
17 posted on 03/07/2006 8:00:17 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Echo Talon

That is an excellent idea!


18 posted on 03/07/2006 8:00:17 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: CheyennePress
My son's freshman highschool english teacher used Genesis from the Old Testament for the first semester. He was a defrocked Jesuit priest.....for whatever that matters.

That was over 15 years ago. That could never happen now. Sadly.

19 posted on 03/07/2006 8:03:52 AM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: Freee-dame
Each teacher....math teachers? I would prefer that my child have a math teacher who teaches math.

Next in Math Class.... write an essay about how you feel about the number "zero"...

20 posted on 03/07/2006 8:04:23 AM PST by Kenton
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To: Beelzebubba

ehh, maybe if it was only a mic and not video maybe it should be open to the public?


21 posted on 03/07/2006 8:04:56 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Beelzebubba
It would be simple and inexpensive to have a mic in each room, uploading to the Internet for parents, students, and taxpayers to listen to.

 Better yet...to save time, just send the audio recordings with written transcriptions to the law offices of the local crank who plans to sue because religion was referred to, omitted from instruction, or portrayed in a positive/negative light.
 

22 posted on 03/07/2006 8:09:27 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Frank_Discussion

Taping also could be a study aid. No professional teacher should object to having their class recorded so that the student could review/study later.


23 posted on 03/07/2006 8:11:12 AM PST by 3dognight
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To: Echo Talon

I wonder if his 20 minute rant was part of his lesson plan for the day. It'd be interesting to see his lesson plan for that day.


24 posted on 03/07/2006 8:12:36 AM PST by Huevos Rancheros (Free the Barret Report--William B. Travis)
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To: 3dognight

Exactly. That's what I always used such things for, and that was my first thought when these stories started coming out about the teachers complaints.


25 posted on 03/07/2006 8:14:12 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Beelzebubba

NOW, THAT would be great.....a mic in EVERY classroom...above a certain level, I suppose. Think of how those teachers would teach THEN!!!!


26 posted on 03/07/2006 8:15:46 AM PST by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: Huevos Rancheros

the student says that he did that sort of thing every day or least every other day.


27 posted on 03/07/2006 8:16:03 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: SmithL
COLORADO high-school sophomore Sean Allen couldn't convince his father that his geography teacher was as over-the-top as he contended.

Is dad illiterate?

FR EXCLUSIVE: Class Syllabus of Bush-bashing Colorado Geography Teacher Jay Bennish

28 posted on 03/07/2006 8:16:55 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Frank_Discussion
"taping should be viewed as quality control."

And "quality control" in the schools is WAY PAST DUE.....this needs to get some legs...

29 posted on 03/07/2006 8:17:48 AM PST by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: SmithL; All

Check the beginning of the Snow thread, I posted a lot of links via Malkin on it.

BTW, Bolton is coming up on the Tony Snow Show Thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1591545/posts


30 posted on 03/07/2006 8:21:02 AM PST by AliVeritas (“Pacifism is objectively pro-Islamo-Fascist.”)
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To: mewzilla

He has Indymedia on his extra credit list! If dad knows what this is, the klaxons in his head should have been blaring.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 8:32:27 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Frank_Discussion

If dad didn't know, dad should've checked. Jeez, I love parents who spend more time checking out what kind of car they're going to buy than what kind of education their kid's getting. SHEESH.


32 posted on 03/07/2006 8:33:43 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

Quite true.


33 posted on 03/07/2006 8:37:06 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Carry_Okie
we wouldn't need 10% of the bricks and mortar

Or the fleets of school buses .... There is no doubt in my mind that this is the direction education will go in the future, but it will probably evolve through home schooling partnerships with private enterprise. The teachers' unions in concert with the Democratic party will fight it tooth and nail, but in the end they will lose.

34 posted on 03/07/2006 8:38:38 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: edpc

The Orwell crowd would freak over the idea



Indeed. As well they should. The notion of mandatory government education is supposed to give the sensible people the creeps. At least putting it on the record means that this indoctrination does not proceed in secret.


35 posted on 03/07/2006 8:45:28 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: goodnesswins

a mic in EVERY classroom...above a certain level, I suppose. Think of how those teachers would teach THEN!!!!



And imagine the web sites devoted to the moronic things that public school teachers say. Not just the political indoctrination, but the pure moronic ignorance that some will undoubtedly display on occasion. This kind of "open classrooms" reform would flush the bad teachers and keep the good teachers.


36 posted on 03/07/2006 8:47:55 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: SmithL
Click below for audio:


37 posted on 03/07/2006 8:58:50 AM PST by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
No, it's actually Will Patton:


38 posted on 03/07/2006 9:07:42 AM PST by RightFighter
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To: Kozak

Bennish sounded more to me like a guy who spent his time the night before on DU and hadn't prepared his lesson plans.


39 posted on 03/07/2006 9:11:24 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
Heard a clip of Matt interviewing him on the today show. They stated that Sean's family shopped the tape around to Conservative "right wing" talk shows and Matt said it sounded like Sean bated the teacher.
40 posted on 03/07/2006 10:40:40 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Glacier Honey

Oh yeah - he had a beard and a short hair cut


41 posted on 03/07/2006 10:41:15 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: SmithL

over the weekend it was reported that Yale U officials said about recruiting the Taliban ..."we lost one already to Harvard and we'll not let that happen again...."

I would like to know what was the name of the terrorist recruited by Harvard...


42 posted on 03/07/2006 11:55:19 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: Glacier Honey
"Baited" him? The guy went on for 20 minutes!

I note that Bennish is now talking about other people's activities (which he can't know) instead of his own. He's gone.

43 posted on 03/07/2006 12:13:35 PM PST by AmishDude
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