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Think Pompeii Got Hit Hard? Worse Eruptions Lurk
Yahoo - Reuters ^ | 3-6-2006

Posted on 03/07/2006 11:10:23 AM PST by blam

Think Pompeii got hit hard? Worse eruptions lurk

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
Mon Mar 6, 5:03 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The preserved footprints and abandoned homes of villagers who fled a giant eruption of Mount Vesuvius 3,800 years ago show the volcano could destroy modern-day Naples with little warning, Italian and U.S. researchers reported on Monday.

The eruption buried entire villages as far as 15 miles (25 kilometres) from the volcano, cooking people as they tried to escape and dumping several feet (metres) of ash and mud.

New excavations show far more extensive damage than that found at the more famous site of Pompeii, buried in A.D. 79.

It could happen again, affecting metropolitan Naples, where 3 million people live, and officials are not planning properly for it, the researchers write in this week's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Evidence shows that a sudden, en masse evacuation of thousands of people occurred at the beginning of the eruption," Giuseppe Mastrolorenzo and colleagues at the Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Volcanologia-Osservatorio Vesuviano wrote.

"Everything was there," added Michael Sheridan, a geologist and hazard assessment expert at the University at Buffalo in New York who worked on the study.

"They even left animals in cages," Sheridan said in a telephone interview.

"Scenes of everyday life, frozen by the volcanic deposits, testify that people suddenly left the village: the molds of four huts, with pottery and other objects left inside; skeletons of a dog and nine pregnant goat victims found in a cage; and footprints of adults, children and cows filled by the first fallout pumice," the researchers wrote.

"I think what they probably had was a couple of days (to get out). There are lots of skeletons but thousands and thousands of footprints," Sheridan said.

The footprints would have been left as survivors ran through the mud deposited in the explosion. Ash filled them, preserving them for archeologists

to find.

VIGNETTES OF LIFE

The site at Pompeii is famous for the vignettes of everyday life preserved in the ash -- writhing victims, everyday households and even a brothel with lurid murals.

Several sites dug up in farmland and pumice quarries in the surrounding area show similar preservation of the much-older Bronze Age civilization, Sheridan said. "This is really a slice into the life of the people who lived there," he said.

Vesuvius would have shaken as the strength of the eruption built. A column of ash would have spewed high up into the atmosphere and then rained down for many miles around.

Clouds of steam and ash would have formed on the flanks of the volcano and rolled down, leaving steaming deposits as far away as 9 miles.

These would have cooled toward the edges, allowing escape, but closer in, nothing would have survived, Sheridan said. "The people in there would have cooked," he said.

Looking at Vesuvius now, it sits directly across the Bay of Naples from the city and its extensive suburbs.

"If you look at the structure of the volcano, it now forms an amphitheater that is facing west (toward Naples). This has a very strong effect on blast and flows," Sheridan said.

"It is almost as if they would be focused toward Naples."

Sheridan said the disaster that followed Hurricanes Katrina and Rita on the U.S. Gulf Coast shows officials do not plan adequately for natural disasters.

"It is obvious they were not paying attention to what happened or have plans for something a little larger than what they expected," he said.

"In Naples it is the same sort of story."


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KEYWORDS: catastrophism; eruptions; godsgravesglyphs; got; hard; hit; lurk; nola; pompeii; think; vesuvius; volcanoes; worse
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1 posted on 03/07/2006 11:10:27 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
We're all going to die!!!!!
2 posted on 03/07/2006 11:12:16 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: blam

Did Bush know?


3 posted on 03/07/2006 11:13:25 AM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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To: Rummyfan

"We're all going to die!!!!!"

You speak truth.


4 posted on 03/07/2006 11:13:39 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: blam

Is Michael Moore about to blow?


5 posted on 03/07/2006 11:14:00 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I don't need to visualize whirled peas. I'm a mom, I've SEEN them.)
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To: blam

Pompeii is really cool. I would have loved to party with those people.


6 posted on 03/07/2006 11:14:24 AM PST by Minn
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To: blam

There was plenty of warning for Pompeii. Most took the rumbling and plumes as part of the scenic attraction of the area and shrugged it off. 'Oh, that's just Vesuvius, it does that all the time, no big deal.'


7 posted on 03/07/2006 11:16:43 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: blam

Golly, the cable news networks haven't had a volcano to obsess about since Mt. St. Helens. As I recall, the death toll in that one was 1 old man who refused to leave. Now if Mexico City was to blow, that would be pretty cool.


8 posted on 03/07/2006 11:20:21 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: blam
Naples was a favorite liberty port of mine when I was a 19 year old sailor with hormones working overtime. On the other side of the coin I hated Naples when on Shore Patrol duty. I would love to go back some day just as a mature tourist.
9 posted on 03/07/2006 11:27:25 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: ozzymandus
"As I recall, the death toll in that one was 1 old man who refused to leave."

I think it was 51 or 52 people who died. BTW, the old man did die...his name was Harry Truman.

10 posted on 03/07/2006 11:38:39 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
"skeletons of a dog and nine pregnant goat victims"

Goat VICTIMS! What the fudge. The goats were for eating, and they just got cook earlier than planned.

11 posted on 03/07/2006 11:51:23 AM PST by Dacus943
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To: blam

Yeah, I saw the movie. He was played by Art Carney.


12 posted on 03/07/2006 11:59:52 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
It was 56 people... and that was because it blew out sideways. This confounded the U.S. Geological Survey and Governor Dixie Lee Ray.
13 posted on 03/07/2006 12:06:49 PM PST by Tolkien (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: ozzymandus

57 dead from St Helens eruption.


14 posted on 03/07/2006 12:08:42 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: NavyCanDo
Pompeii was great. There were intact buildings, amphitheaters, streets, brothels, temples and casts of people that died during the eruption. The streets still have the ruts that chariots and wagons wore down.
15 posted on 03/07/2006 12:08:56 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Get an umbrella.


16 posted on 03/07/2006 12:12:15 PM PST by GAD
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To: blam

Sheridan said the disaster that followed Hurricanes Katrina and Rita on the U.S. Gulf Coast shows officials do not plan adequately for natural disasters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Maybe I am slow but I fail to see how it is possible to"plan adequately" for natural disasters. Of course on the other hand any fool can make grandiose plans, the execution is a little more difficult.


17 posted on 03/07/2006 1:09:15 PM PST by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: RipSawyer
Maybe I am slow but I fail to see how it is possible to"plan adequately" for natural disasters.

Well, the definition of "adequately" is always open to interpretation in that context. But one can also figure out inadequate planning - such as Nagin waiting for the Saturday before Katrina hit to work out the legalities of ordering a mandatory evacuation. Just for starters.

18 posted on 03/07/2006 1:21:01 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: MineralMan
"We're all going to die!!!!!"

You speak truth.

Not me. I'm planning on living forever. So far it's working.

19 posted on 03/07/2006 4:51:11 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
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20 posted on 08/27/2006 7:33:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ozzymandus
the cable news networks haven't had a volcano to obsess about since Mt. St. Helens

You apparently haven't been seeing all the recent doom-and-gloom programs about the Yellowstone Caldera. The truth is, the human race lives every day in the shadow of some devastating natural disaster: volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados, asteroid collisions...what am I leaving out? I'm amazed to learn, late in life, that it's the responsibility of Republican administrations to save us from all of them.

21 posted on 08/27/2006 7:44:06 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: Bernard Marx

There have been some really cool shows on that! Yeah, were due any day now, in the next 30,000 years or so,for another supereruption.


22 posted on 08/27/2006 7:48:11 PM PDT by Toby06 (The 'Holier than thou" types who call women sluts and whores are just pure psuedo-Christian trash.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wait until Santorini, Krakatoa, or the Yellowstone Caldera go up again.

L

23 posted on 08/27/2006 7:48:42 PM PDT by Lurker (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Bernard Marx
"...what am I leaving out? "

Of most immediate concern, Bird Flu.

24 posted on 08/27/2006 8:13:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: Toby06
"Yeah, were due any day now, in the next 30,000 years or so,for another supereruption."

Yellowstone is 40,000 years over-due. Ahem, prepare now?

25 posted on 08/27/2006 8:16:05 PM PDT by blam
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26 posted on 08/27/2006 8:21:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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27 posted on 08/27/2006 8:22:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lurker
Wait until Santorini, Krakatoa, or the Yellowstone Caldera go up again

I only pray that we have a viable self sufficient civilization offworld by the time those goes up or we'll be rolling the dice for the survival of the human species.

Worldwide human survivors of the Tomu supervolcano eruption 74K ya were estimated at only 5000 or so.

28 posted on 08/27/2006 8:25:03 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: blam

The "preparation" for the Yellowstone blow, would require moving about 1000 miles away, and then hope the UN will be generous, because the US will be prostrate. The UN might not be generous, since the food supply world wide, will be truncated, as the sun for a long time becames rather invisible.


29 posted on 08/27/2006 8:25:13 PM PDT by Torie
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
I was there in June.... I was really surprised to hear and see, excavation still going on.
30 posted on 08/27/2006 8:26:12 PM PDT by Capt_Hank (btu's...kcal's...to kJ's, but my activation energy is still high.)
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To: Bernard Marx; blam; Capt_Hank; Centurion2000; Lurker; Toby06; Torie

Sorry, all, this is a topic from March. :'(


31 posted on 08/27/2006 8:37:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Torie
"The UN might not be generous, since the food supply world wide, will be truncated, as the sun for a long time becames rather invisible."

Yup. Most of the people of the world would die, first from cold weather and then from starvation.

32 posted on 08/27/2006 9:07:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: ozzymandus

Forget St. Helens. She's nothing compared to what Mt. Rainier can do.

We're doomed!


33 posted on 08/27/2006 9:10:03 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don't think I never asked to be put on your GGG ping list, so please put me on there. :-)


34 posted on 08/27/2006 9:12:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Centurion2000; Torie
Late Pleostocene Human Population Bottlenecks. . .(Toba)
35 posted on 08/27/2006 9:14:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Katrina, the byword by which all natural disasters will now be judged.


36 posted on 08/27/2006 9:15:25 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Leaning on the everlasting arms.)
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To: Pyro7480

Hey, how can I refuse? ;')


37 posted on 08/27/2006 9:29:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
Yellowstone is 40,000 years over-due. Ahem, prepare now?

It's not like hot-spot calderas are on any kind of real schedule. It may not erupt in another 40,000 years. I don't live too far from the Long Valley (Mammoth) caldera and it's been behaving strangely in recent decades. It may be getting ready. Or not. But they're measuring some ominous rises in ground levels.

Human lives are short compared to the long cycles of volcanoes and other natural phenomena and they always take us by surprise. Someday another generation of Italians in Herculaneum and Pompeii will be sacrificed to Vesuvius. As your Toba article makes clear, human existence on this planet is precarious at best.

38 posted on 08/27/2006 10:42:01 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: blam

That was the one ... thanks for posting a reference.


39 posted on 08/28/2006 12:07:15 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Property tax is feudalism. Income taxes are armed robbery of the minority by the majority.)
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To: Lurker

You left out Tambora (;)


40 posted on 08/28/2006 12:09:21 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: ozzymandus

Mexico City's nearest volcanoes are 30 or 40 miles away. I climbed almost to the top of Popocatepetl. If the wind was blowing the wrong way it could certainly cause serious problems.

With that major eruption about 1800 BCE, perhaps that was the cause of the Second Intermediate Period in Egypt when there was famine, chaos, and the Hyksos invaded.

There were several really large caldera events prior to the end of the ice age about 18,000 years ago. One, Sakura-jima in Japan left a 15 mile diameter crater about 22 Kya.



41 posted on 08/28/2006 12:58:47 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Bubba_Leroy

"Not me. I'm planning on living forever. So far it's working."

And "die trying" is for losers! ;)


42 posted on 08/28/2006 3:58:02 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: blam


He's gonna blow!!
43 posted on 08/28/2006 4:05:55 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: Capt_Hank; NavyCanDo; GAD
I visited Pompeii in the 80s. It was fascinating. I want to go back and see Herculaneum. There was a great documentary on History channel about Vesuvius. It has erupted several times in recorded history, but people just don't want to leave. Capri was one place that I can see why no one wants to leave. It was a playground for Roman Emperors.
There is an excellent novel call "Pompeii" that I recommend.

Yellowstone would be a real disaster for the USA. Hopefully, it won't go off until science has a means of mitigating the damage from such an eruption.
44 posted on 08/28/2006 5:11:48 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Absolutely do go back to see Ercolano. Most tourists don't get there & it's not nearly as well extensively excavated but you actually get to see a lot of the preserved mosaics etc in situ. One of the gripes I have about Pompeii is that all the stuff we studied in school is not on site - you have to go to the Museo Archeologico Nazionale to see the really cool stuff. Capri is amazing but overrun by tourists, of course. I've heard they're thinking of imposing a prohibitively costly landing tax to keep the hordes away. The Amalfi Coast road is my favorite place on the planet to drive - Ravello is where I fantasize about ending up for the rest of my life to wake up to this view:


45 posted on 08/28/2006 7:08:48 AM PDT by leilani (Adios Ernesto! Don't let la puerta hit you....)
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To: NavyCanDo
I would love to go back some day just as a mature tourist.

Do it. You gotta love the seedy feeling you get in Napoli. And if you're a history buff, the National Museum is a must. They've got lots of frecoes from Pompeii and Ercolano. But probably the best thing about Napoli is that it's about an hour and a half drive to Sorrento with Vesuvio smack dab in the middle. Now, you wouldn't want to miss Sorrento since it happens to be the most beautiful place on the planet. Also a trip to Pompeii is good, but visiting Vesuvio himself at the rim of the caldera is much better.

46 posted on 09/14/2006 4:55:41 PM PDT by jaq999
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Pompeii was great.

Did you get a chance to see Ercolano (Herculaneum)?

47 posted on 09/14/2006 4:56:40 PM PDT by jaq999
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To: blam

Naples is very crime-ridden now; not a good place to visit. If a volcano has to erupt, it's as good as place as any.

I've been to Pompeii and it's a very interesting place to visit.


48 posted on 09/14/2006 4:58:41 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: leilani
The Amalfi Coast road is my favorite place on the planet to drive - Ravello is where I fantasize about ending up for the rest of my life to wake up to this view:

I drove up to Sorrento from Paestum this summer. What a great dive. The Misses and I fantasize about ending up in Sorrento.

49 posted on 09/14/2006 5:05:52 PM PDT by jaq999
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To: jaq999
Ohhh. I adore Sorrento. I fantasize about Ravello or (a less touristy)Capri.Or maybe one of Li Galli, one of those little islands off Positano which Rudolph Nureyev owned. But Sorrento's a real town where I do believe I could actually live full-time.

Isn't the coast road crazy? It was white-knuckle city for me the whole way the first time I had to drive it, but after about the sixth or seventh time I was flashing my lights and honking my horn at the newbies just like a native!Doesn't get any prettier, though highway 1 around Big Sur comes close.

50 posted on 09/14/2006 5:21:11 PM PDT by leilani (Dimmi, dimmi se mai fu fatta cosa alcuna!)
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