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Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll (69% of Americans Want alternate theories allowed in class)
WorldnetDaily.Com ^ | 03/07/2006

Posted on 03/07/2006 2:34:37 PM PST by SirLinksalot

Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll

Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom

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Posted: March 7, 2006 5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.

The Zogby International survey indicated only 21 percent think biology teachers should teach only Darwin's theory of evolution and the scientific evidence that supports it.

A majority of Americans from every sub-group were at least twice as likely to prefer this approach to science education, the Zogby study showed.

About 88 percent of Americans 18-29 years old were in support, along with 73 percent of Republicans and 74 percent of independent voters.

Others who strongly support teaching the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory include African-Americans (69 percent), 35-54 year-olds (70 percent) and Democrats (60 percent).

Casey Luskin, program officer for public policy and legal affairs with Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture said while his group does not favor mandating the teaching of intelligent design, "we do think it is constitutional for teachers to discuss it precisely because the theory is based upon scientific evidence not religious premises."

The Seattle-based Discovery Institute is the leading promoter of the theory of Intelligent Design, which has been at the center of challenges in federal court over the teaching of evolution in public school classes. Advocates say it draws on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines that indicate some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.

"The public strongly agrees that students should be permitted to learn about such evidence," Luskin said.

The Discovery Institute noted Americans also support students learning about evidence for intelligent design alongside evolution in biology class – 77 percent.

Just over half – 51 percent – agree strongly with that. Only 19 percent disagree.

As WorldNetDaily reported, more than 500 scientists with doctoral degrees have signed a statement expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of evolution.

The statement, which includes endorsement by members of the prestigious U.S. National Academy of Sciences and Russian Academy of Sciences, was first published by the Discovery Institute in 2001 to challenge statements about Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS's "Evolution" series.

The PBS promotion claimed "virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true."


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1 posted on 03/07/2006 2:34:40 PM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

GIGO


2 posted on 03/07/2006 2:35:55 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: SirLinksalot

69% want Intelligent Design taugtht!!!!

Take THAT, NY Slimes (Times)!!!!!!!

of course, the NY times, being socialists, never care what the people actually want.


3 posted on 03/07/2006 2:36:34 PM PST by Hill of Tara ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: RadioAstronomer

megagigo


4 posted on 03/07/2006 2:37:29 PM PST by js1138
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To: SirLinksalot
Arrogance and pomposity turn people off.

Politicization of science turns people off.

No one likes the zealot atheist evolutionites because they are obnoxious and overbearing and now teaming up with the ACLU.

They claim to be pro-science but aren't and are really pushing their own liberal agenda vis-a-vis the culture war.

They have and are harming science including, irony of ironies, good evolutionary biological studies with their agenda driven overbearing attacks on anyone who doesn't share their close minded views.

5 posted on 03/07/2006 2:39:14 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Hill of Tara
69% want Intelligent Design taugtht!!!!

Good for them. One in five Americans believe that the lottery is the most practical way of attaining personal wealth.

Should their views be considered when teaching economics?

6 posted on 03/07/2006 2:39:27 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: SirLinksalot
"88 percent of Americans 18-29 years old "

The Roe Effect in action. Why not discuss competing ideas?

Oh wait, liberals only like to discuss competing ideas when discuss whether to smoke from a pipe or a bong.

7 posted on 03/07/2006 2:40:01 PM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: Potowmack
One in five Americans believe that the lottery is the most practical way of attaining personal wealth.

Cite?

8 posted on 03/07/2006 2:40:22 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: SirLinksalot
Others who strongly support teaching the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory

So do I. The strengths and weaknesses of any scientific theory should be discussed. However, that doesn't mean putting pseudo-scientific beliefs into the curriculum to cover for any weaknesses of current scientific theory.

I'd like to know how the survey was worded.

9 posted on 03/07/2006 2:41:10 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Potowmack
Now that 69% America has voiced their opinion on the Creation/Evolution Debate we can move on the letting polls decide what taught in Engineering and Medical schools.
10 posted on 03/07/2006 2:43:38 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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A new survey on religious beliefs found half of all American adults believe in ghosts, almost a third believe in astrology and more than a quarter believe in reincarnation.

Source.

12 posted on 03/07/2006 2:44:37 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: js1138
Dittogigo

Example of one question: "When Darwin’s theory of evolution is taught in school, students should also be able to learn about scientific evidence that points to an intelligent design of life.”

Since there is none, the question doesn't make any sense, does it?

13 posted on 03/07/2006 2:44:40 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: antiRepublicrat
Survey
14 posted on 03/07/2006 2:45:41 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Now that 69% America has voiced their opinion on the Creation/Evolution Debate we can move on the letting polls decide what taught in Engineering and Medical schools.

I never really "got" more advanced mathematics in high school. Do you think I can get enough people to vote to make math easier. Maybe get rid of some of the big numbers?

15 posted on 03/07/2006 2:47:15 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: SirLinksalot
"If the human mind is made the measure of all things, it will despise and reject anything it does not understand--including things which are beyond human understanding." [Navarre Bible Commentary 'Acts of the Apostles']

Make that 'their understanding' and it's the best explanation for the mindset of Evolutionists who restrict themselves to life and not existence.

16 posted on 03/07/2006 2:47:28 PM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Biology teachers should teach Darwin's theory of evolution, but also the scientific evidence against it - 69%

Biology teachers should teach Darwin's theory of evolution and the scientific evidence that supports it - 21%

Doesn't mention ID and actually wouldn't include it since it isn't science based and wouldn't therefore fall into the "evidence" category.

17 posted on 03/07/2006 2:48:13 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: ex-snook
So you believe in things you can't understand?

How do you know what they are?

18 posted on 03/07/2006 2:49:47 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Hey you! You won't win the lottery!

It goes up to 38% when you look at people who make $25K a year or less.

19 posted on 03/07/2006 2:51:41 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: Potowmack

"One in five Americans believe that the lottery is the most practical way of attaining personal wealth. "

I think they meant that 1 of 5 Americans think the lottery is the EASIEST way of attaining wealth, which it probably is, aside from inheriting it, which wont even cost you a dollar to buy the lottery ticket.

If most of the people support I.D. being taught in classrooms, then it should be taught, because it is the PEOPLE who's taxes keep the schools functioning.


20 posted on 03/07/2006 2:51:52 PM PST by Hill of Tara ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: Right Wing Professor
"So you believe in things you can't understand?

How do you know what they are?"

I believe because I can see. I observe stars, sun, rocks, trees, gravity, day night, seasons, comets, etc. etc. etc.

21 posted on 03/07/2006 2:54:36 PM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: Hill of Tara
think they meant that 1 of 5 Americans think the lottery is the EASIEST way of attaining wealth, which it probably is, aside from inheriting it, which wont even cost you a dollar to buy the lottery ticket.

Nope. From the article I posted above:

About one out of five Americans believe that winning the lottery is the most practical way of attaining personal wealth

If most of the people support I.D. being taught in classrooms, then it should be taught, because it is the PEOPLE who's taxes keep the schools functioning.

If most people support that Pi=3.00, should schools teach that, too?

22 posted on 03/07/2006 2:55:47 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: SirLinksalot

Kudos to the common sense of the American public.

Now if we can just get the ossified educational bureaucracy out of the way, we could have real scientific debates in the classroom. Imagine making kids think, instead of sitting through indoctrination!

What would be next -- differing hypotheses?


23 posted on 03/07/2006 2:57:17 PM PST by Elpasser
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To: Right Wing Professor
Since there is none, the question doesn't make any sense, does it?

Sure it does. There is no scientific evidence for universal common descent either, but they teach that in school. There is also no evidence that random mutation and natural selection got us from a single cell creature to what we are today, but they teach that too. I we are going to accept beliefs in science as valid theories, whose to criticize which ones get in there?
24 posted on 03/07/2006 3:01:26 PM PST by microgood
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To: ex-snook
I believe because I can see. I observe stars, sun, rocks, trees, gravity, day night, seasons, comets, etc. etc. etc.

And you say you don't understand these things? But in fact, many people understand a great deal about them. So why is your lack of understanding somehow something you think other people should emulate?

25 posted on 03/07/2006 3:02:22 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor; ex-snook
So why is your lack of understanding somehow something you think other people should emulate?

Why? You expect little university students to emulate your lack of understanding of just about everything, so why are you picking on snooky?

26 posted on 03/07/2006 3:05:14 PM PST by zeeba neighba
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To: tallhappy
No one likes the zealot atheist evolutionites because they are obnoxious and overbearing and now teaming up with the ACLU.

...he said, in the obnoxious and overbearing manner of a zealot on the other side.

28 posted on 03/07/2006 3:07:53 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: microgood
There is no scientific evidence for universal common descent either, but they teach that in school

This is a frequently repeated error. The single common tree of life of ribosomal RNA is strong scientific evidence for universal common descent.

There is also no evidence that random mutation and natural selection got us from a single cell creature to what we are today, but they teach that too.

You are quite well aware there is massive genomic and fossil evidence that we descended from single-celled creatures, and massive genomic evidence that the process was mutation coupled with natural selction.

Freqeuntly repeated error number 2.

I we are going to accept beliefs in science as valid theories, whose to criticize which ones get in there?

You can criticize what you want. However, you would, if you were smart, leave the teaching of biology to people who know some biology. If the above is any indication, your criticism would come from the standpoint of unusual ignorance and/or prejudice.

29 posted on 03/07/2006 3:08:03 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: SirLinksalot; Lindykim

PING for excellent timing!!


30 posted on 03/07/2006 3:09:52 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The answers are out there; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions)
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To: zeeba neighba

Finish high-school first, zeeba, and we'll talk about what university students need to emulate.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 3:10:18 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Syncretic
Here is my question today for any evolution supporters here:
Okay.

What part of this statement, if any, is NOT TRUE?

The theory of evolution is not observable, testable, or replicable. Therefore it cannot be accepted as scientific fact.

All of it.

Thanks for any replies.

You're welcome.

32 posted on 03/07/2006 3:10:51 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: SirLinksalot

If Darwinists insist on "winning" the battle of ideas by preserving a monopoly in the schools, ramming it down the throats of parents and schoolboards with the aid of activist judges, they will only succeed in discrediting themselves completely.

It's like the way Freudians tried to impose their views on society when they were riding high. "If you don't see things our way, you're crazy, and we'll lock you up."

Imposing a scientific theory by judicial fiat is not very smart politics, especially for people who call themselves conservatives.


33 posted on 03/07/2006 3:10:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Potowmack

"If most people support that Pi=3.00, should schools teach that, too?"

The symbol/value pi is a well known mathematical concept, that has been proven.

The theory of evolution is just a theory, which atheists like to believe, and want to force everyone else to believe, is fact.


34 posted on 03/07/2006 3:11:18 PM PST by Hill of Tara ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: Syncretic
Here is my question today for any evolution supporters here: What part of this statement, if any, is NOT TRUE?

The theory of evolution is not observable, testable, or replicable. Therefore it cannot be accepted as scientific fact.

Every part of it is not true. Evolution is observable, testable, and replicable, in all the ways that science requires. You appear to be confused about the kind of observation, testability, and replicability that science is about.

Read this if you're still confused: FAQs: Biology and Evolutionary Theory

And: Explaining the Scientific Method

35 posted on 03/07/2006 3:13:38 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
...he said, in the obnoxious and overbearing manner of a zealot on the other side.

Hee, hee. Take that as a lesson.

BTW, What do you mean "other side"?

I am of course on the other side of the ACLU.

36 posted on 03/07/2006 3:13:50 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Potowmack

Do you think I can get enough people to vote to make math easier.

I'd bet you could get at least 69%.

37 posted on 03/07/2006 3:13:59 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Hill of Tara
69% want Intelligent Design taugtht!!!!

That is not what this survey says at all.

I am in that 69%. I want teachers to teach all evidence both for and against.

I do *not* beleive that ID is 'evidence'. I do not believe there is any evidence *supporting* ID. If you can find any, then teachers should teach it.

But saying, "This is too complex" is not evidence.

38 posted on 03/07/2006 3:14:27 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: Right Wing Professor; P-Marlowe

Lol, yet I had to figure out the circumference for you on PMarlowes bowl. By the way, God would know the exact figure of pi, so no guesswork was involved.


39 posted on 03/07/2006 3:14:39 PM PST by zeeba neighba
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To: SirLinksalot
(69% of Americans Want alternate theories allowed in class)

Because, of course, scientific knowledge is determined by public opinion polls, and the general public knows enough about biology to be able to properly construct a science curriculum better than science teachers do...

40 posted on 03/07/2006 3:15:36 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Hill of Tara
The symbol/value pi is a well known mathematical concept, that has been proven.

How is that relevant to our discussion? If the majority of taxpayers vote to change math so that Pi=3, your logic requires you to support them.

The theory of evolution is just a theory

As is the theory of gravity, or germ theory. What's your point?

which atheists like to believe

Are you saying that all atheists believe the TOE, or that the TOE is only believed by atheists? Both statements are wrong.

and want to force everyone else to believe, is fact.

How is anyone being "forced" to believe the TOE?

41 posted on 03/07/2006 3:16:13 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: bobbdobbs

I say we legislate the value of Pi to be 3.0000. Those other digits are too confusing.

Considering that probably 50%+ of people do not really know what the h*ll Pi actually is (and I don't mean it's value), you should be able to get at least 69% based on the results of this 'poll'.

42 posted on 03/07/2006 3:16:54 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Dominic Harr

How about the idea that there had to be a catalyst for the change to occur. Even if you believe in evolution, something had to have made it happen, same with the big bang theory (which is not the T of E)

So the teachers should teach that there had to be Someone who caused everything to happen.


43 posted on 03/07/2006 3:17:17 PM PST by Hill of Tara ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: SirLinksalot
Others who strongly support teaching the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory include African-Americans (69 percent), 35-54 year-olds (70 percent) and Democrats (60 percent).

There are folks out there who don't want the weaknesses of the current theory taught?

They are in a minority, sure, but they exist???

Dang.

I would think all scientists would want the weaknesses of current theory taught. So we can improve on the theory. That's how science works.

The ToE is not perfect. It has flaws that can/will be improved, via the scientific process.

44 posted on 03/07/2006 3:17:54 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: Hill of Tara
So the teachers should teach that there had to be Someone who caused everything to happen.

The poll said, "evidence". And I feel the same way.

Teachers shouldn't teach "there had to be". That is bad teaching, bad science.

If there is specific evidence, then *that* should be taught.

45 posted on 03/07/2006 3:19:37 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Now that 69% America has voiced their opinion on the Creation/Evolution Debate we can move on the letting polls decide what taught in Engineering and Medical schools.

Maybe we should poll people's opinions on the law of gravity before building bridges or designing ICBMs.. Maybe we should be funding alchemy on a par with nuclear engineering.

Poll most students on what they think of algebra or calculus.. maybe give them the option of designing their own mathematics program.

46 posted on 03/07/2006 3:20:06 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: Potowmack
Good for them. One in five Americans believe that the lottery is the most practical way of attaining personal wealth.

Should their views be considered when teaching economics?

Should they not?

47 posted on 03/07/2006 3:20:24 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: Hill of Tara
So the teachers should teach that there had to be Someone who caused everything to happen.

No, that's not necesarily a true statement.

What if the universe (in one form or another) has always existed?

Our monkey brains have a tough time grasping "infinity," but it's a possibility.

48 posted on 03/07/2006 3:20:56 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: SirLinksalot
As WorldNetDaily reported, more than 500 scientists with doctoral degrees have signed a statement expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of evolution.

Has any proponent of "Intelligent Design" been able to muster a single peer-reviewed paper on the subject in any reputable journal?

49 posted on 03/07/2006 3:21:41 PM PST by ziggygrey
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To: Potowmack

"How is that relevant to our discussion? If the majority of taxpayers vote to change math so that Pi=3, your logic requires you to support them. "

Because pi has been proven as the truth, therefore students should be taught it. But they should not be taught that a mere theory (and a poor one at that) is the truth. They could be taught that it is one POSSIBILITY, since it has not been proven.

"Are you saying that all atheists believe the TOE"

well what else would an athiest believe? That we simply materialized, or were put here by aliens?

"How is anyone being "forced" to believe the TOE?"

young impressionable children, who are conditioned to believe what they are taught in school, are being taught that the TOE is FACT. Not a theory, not a possibility, but FACT. Thats what kids are being taught.


50 posted on 03/07/2006 3:21:56 PM PST by Hill of Tara ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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