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Arguments against Topinka
http://www.gopillinois.com/ | Me

Posted on 03/07/2006 5:43:35 PM PST by Richard from IL

The following is a letter I wrote which will be published in the Winnetka Talk on Thursday. I sent it to Dave Dierson and he included it in his daily summary yesterday.


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The Republican Party establishment generally supports the candidacy of Judy Baar Topinka. The major argument I have heard in her favor is that only a moderate like Topinka can defeat Blagojevich. There are several strong arguments against this.

First, this assertion has been put forth in previous state wide races and was disproved. In 1998, the ethically challenged Carol Moseley-Braun was running for reelection to the Senate. In the primary race, the establishment argued that Peter Fitzgerald was too conservative to win in the fall. Only a moderate, Lolita Didrickson, could win. Yet Fitzgerald won the election.

Second, conservatives have been told to support moderates lest Democrats be elected. They have done this only to see the Republican adopt the Democrat’s position. For example, in 1994, a conservative challenger to Edgar in the primary was told to pull out lest he help Dawn Clark Netsch. Edgar attacked Netsch for her proposed tax increase. Two years later, Edgar proposed an almost identical tax increase. What did conservatives get for their support of Edgar?

Third, Topinka is too radical on social issues for conservatives. You may respond that where else will they go. They will either not vote for governor or will vote for a third party. I have always voted for the Republican candidate in statewide races. However, I will not vote for Topinka and estimate that 30%-40% of conservatives will act in the same way. Thus, Topinka is the worst possible Republican candidate. She is the only one who will lose the base. If you lose the base, you can’t win.

Take as an example FDR’s court packing bill. Representative Hatton Sumners of Dallas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, responded by saying, "Boys, here's where I cash in." Bill Clinton’s election led to the Democrat’s loss of congress in 1994 when he governed to the left of the stands he took in his 1992 campaign. In the same way, nominating Topinka may split the party. Moderates call on conservatives to support moderates while they feel no compunction to support conservatives. Thus, they snubbed Peter Fitzgerald and made his decision to not run for reelection understandable. I think that the Illinois Republican leaders underestimate the depth of conservative anger towards the leadership and towards this unacceptable gubernatorial candidate who is being foisted on us.

1 posted on 03/07/2006 5:43:36 PM PST by Richard from IL
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To: Richard from IL

While Blago is in a weak position, it is not even close to where Carol Mostly-Fraud was in 1998.

Blago for all his faults, hasn't been scurrying off to Africa to dine with dictators.

I don't like Topinka, but I'll vote for her if she is the nominee, biting my tongue.


2 posted on 03/07/2006 5:49:08 PM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: Richard from IL

Who are you supporting for governor?

Judy from IL


3 posted on 03/07/2006 5:51:47 PM PST by Mother Mary
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To: RWR8189; All

Here is my take on the current candidates.. Gidwitz I can handle.. Don't support him, but will vote for him in the general election.. Brady yes.. Obie Yes.. Martin is not going to win but I won't vote for him.. Topinka wins, leaving Illinois is looking a lot better.. I'm with RWR8189 I have to vote for her biting my tongue.. I don't think that Illinois can handle another 4 years of Blago..


4 posted on 03/07/2006 5:59:32 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Richard from IL
I have always voted for the Republican candidate in statewide races. However, I will not vote for Topinka and estimate that 30%-40% of conservatives will act in the same way. Thus, Topinka is the worst possible Republican candidate. She is the only one who will lose the base. If you lose the base, you can’t win.

I am right there with you, Richard. I'm embarrassed of her--the woman turns my stomach on all counts.

Great letter.

5 posted on 03/07/2006 6:01:47 PM PST by Miss Behave
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To: Richard from IL

I'm torn between Obie and Brady for the primary's. I don't like the fact that i might have to hold my nose on Nov 02 and vote for Topinka.


6 posted on 03/07/2006 6:31:50 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Mother Mary

Hi Judy,

I'm for Oberweis. Brady's a good man, but he's polling less than 10%. Oberweis is the only conservative who has a chance to beat JBT.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 6:37:55 PM PST by Richard from IL
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To: Richard from IL

Thank you. I'll look forward to hearing more as the year unfolds.

Judy


8 posted on 03/07/2006 6:48:52 PM PST by Mother Mary
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To: ChicagoConservative27; All

I'm torn between holding my nose and voting for Topinka or leaving Illinois..


9 posted on 03/07/2006 7:12:20 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Richard from IL

The circus came to town when the red-headed clown brought in Ambassador Keyes, shunned Sen Fitzgerald, and winked at- and cut deals with- Osama-bama by way of the combine. Yes, I'll vote for any Rep in the general, but I will require Pepcid, Kaopectate, Pepto-Bismal, and a bicarb to get through the primaries.


10 posted on 03/07/2006 7:30:28 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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Oberweis is tanking fast, and his numbers will soon follow. He's not made it above 17% this whole time and people know him.

Brady is gaining momentum with endorsements and highest possible ratings from groups like Citizens for Life, the Illinois Center Right Coalition, State Rifle Association, and a laundry list of others.

We HAVE to have somebody that can win downstate Democrats in November and that won't be someone as divisive as Oberweis has become. Brady is our only chance as conservatives.

Watch this next week: It will soon become clear that this is a race between Moderates and Conservatives and the conservative that can win is Brady.


11 posted on 03/08/2006 7:12:08 AM PST by Frustrated Republican (Brady is the only conservative that can win in November.)
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To: KevinDavis

I'm not voting for Topinka regardless. Voting for the unethical Ryan won us the governorship but destroyed the party long term. After all, what's the point of getting a Republican elected if have liberal principles? It would just dilute what it means to be a Republican.


12 posted on 03/08/2006 7:23:28 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Frustrated Republican
Welcome to Free Republic.

I'm voting Oberweis. Brady may personally see to it that Topinka wins.

I'll tell you flat out, if Brady turns out to be the reason Topinka gets the nod, there are many of us who will not forget.

He'd better be damn certain he is going to pull an historic upset of monumental proportions, or be very content with his current seat. Because if he brings us Topinka and then expects support for a Senate run in 2008, he's got another thing coming.
13 posted on 03/08/2006 8:58:16 AM PST by TitansAFC ("'C' is for 'cookie,' that's good enough for me" -- C. Monster)
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To: Frustrated Republican
Oberweis is tanking fast?

Every poll I've seen shows him gaining ground! Not one single poll has more than 5% behind Judy.

Add that to the fact that even the most recent poll has Brady in single digits, and you have a problem. Brady is going to be the Ralph Nader of the IL GOP Primary.

This nonsense about his "overwhelming last second momentum" and this invisible "avalanche of support" is going to put Topinka on the ticket. Despite, the deepest wishes of Brady backers, there is no chance for Brady. There is no typhoon of people moving to the state just in time to register to vote for Bill Brady, or any magical formula lie that.

Brady is going to prove Topinka right to everybody that matters in the IL GOP, and all the donors. She says only a moderate Republican in her mold can win a statewide election, and Brady is about to help cement that in everybody's mind all in the hope of having a slightly better-than-expected turnout to propel his 2008 u.S. Senate campaign to follow.

He could run for dogcatcher against Hillary Clinton and I won't vote for him if he is the reason Topinka wins.

He'd better be damn sure of this invisible 20%+.
14 posted on 03/08/2006 9:11:20 AM PST by TitansAFC ("'C' is for 'cookie,' that's good enough for me" -- C. Monster)
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To: KevinDavis

"Obie Yes"

Yes what? Throw him off the edge of the earth? The guy is an embarassment. It's sad how low this campaign has become b/c of him.

Bill Brady is the only candidate with class and has been showing it all through the campaign.

My vote is with Brady. It's Oberweiss who should be bowing out.


15 posted on 03/08/2006 12:23:04 PM PST by Central IL Voter
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To: Frustrated Republican

Amen Frustrated. Brady also has support of some GOP organizations and IL gun people and newspapers such as the Champaign's News-Gazette.

I think that Oberweiss is done for - toast. He has turned this race into a definite embarassment and I hope that he runs away like Carol Mosley Braun.

Go Brady Go!


16 posted on 03/08/2006 12:33:04 PM PST by Central IL Voter
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To: Central IL Voter; All

I support Brady in the primary.. What I meant to say is that if Obie wins the Primary, I will vote for him.


17 posted on 03/08/2006 4:20:27 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: RWR8189

The problem is that if JBT became governor, it would strengthen the combine's hold on the IL Republican Party.


18 posted on 03/08/2006 5:22:20 PM PST by Richard from IL
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To: Richard from IL

I think if Judy wins the Primary, the Dems win again. Conservative voters - probably about in the 20% range will leave the office blank at the general election if Judy wins.

I personally like Judy but her views and mine are very different.


19 posted on 03/08/2006 11:24:30 PM PST by Central IL Voter
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To: TitansAFC

Titans, do you have a more recent poll? No one else seems to in IL. I haven't seen one since about mid-February and it's now mid-March (almost). I don't think that Brady is in the single digits.

Brady also has a STRONG grass roots campaign where the others do not. Oberweiss IS tanking. If there are polls (recent, past few days) to say that he's not, please post the link so we can see it.

I believe that Brady will pull the upset of the year and that Looserweiss has lost support. His negativity has turned off many of the undecided voters AND have turned them on to Brady.

Looserweiss has made a mockery of the process and should bow out now to give a true class act a chance.

Goodbye Looserweiss and hello Governor Brady


20 posted on 03/08/2006 11:34:27 PM PST by Central IL Voter
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