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Dude, Where's My Civil War?
New York Post ^ | March 5, 2006 | Ralph Peters in Iraq

Posted on 03/08/2006 7:20:17 AM PST by citizensgratitude

Edited on 03/27/2006 9:03:04 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

DUDE, WHERE'S MY CIVIL WAR? From Ralph Peters in Iraq March 5, 2006 -- BAGHDAD I'M trying. I've been trying all week. The other day, I drove another 30 miles or so on the streets and alleys of Baghdad. I'm looking for the civil war that The New York Times declared. And I just can't find it.


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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: civilwar; iraq; kayak; liberalbias; link; ralphpeters

1 posted on 03/08/2006 7:20:18 AM PST by citizensgratitude
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To: citizensgratitude

Can't be. The New York Times knows everything and is always right.


2 posted on 03/08/2006 7:22:50 AM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: citizensgratitude


Journalistic truth doesnt meet with the Mainstream Media Agenda...just doesnt.


3 posted on 03/08/2006 7:22:54 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: citizensgratitude

What a great title, and slap at that fat ingrate, Michael Moore.


4 posted on 03/08/2006 7:23:41 AM PST by lormand (...the wrong person came out of the water that fateful night in Chappaquiddick)
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To: citizensgratitude
I wish everybody would shut up. This game is ongoing and anything can happen.

Iran is not a country without an ability to stir up trouble or foment civil strife in Iraq.

5 posted on 03/08/2006 7:24:22 AM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: citizensgratitude
"Oh, and I'll remember those "radical Shias" cheering our patrol as we passed by."

LOL, great article...thank you.
6 posted on 03/08/2006 7:25:03 AM PST by oxcart
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To: citizensgratitude

Great read, AND I hate to be a pest, **BUT** what is your html or print source? WHO typed this? Can you provide a link?

That's FR guidelines anyway ;-p

Many thanks,

Blueflag (lazily expecting others to post good links for 4 years)


7 posted on 03/08/2006 7:26:55 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: citizensgratitude
And some of them have agendas of their own.

Ya think?

8 posted on 03/08/2006 7:35:51 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Blueflag; All
Here's a link to the article.

Also, here's a response to the article posted at NRO Corner.

RE RALPH PETERS IN BAGHDAD [Cliff May]

Derb, I take your point and while I think Ralph is always smart, insightful and worth reading, I can’t honestly say that I’m not increasingly pessimistic.

Al-Qaeda, the Baathists and the Iranian mullahs all believe that, in the Leninist construction, "the worse the better."

They believe that a civil war would drive the U.S. out and leave Iraq as a bloody corpse -- on which they would happily feed.

In other words, they have a strategy. What's our counter-strategy? To hope that Iraqis refuse to go along? Hope is not a strategy.

(I have similar worries re Iran: the mullahs intend to get nukes. Do we really intend to stop them? If they get nukes, do we bet they won't use them? What odds would Jimmy the Greek give you on that?)

I have no doubt that the American military is learning valuable lessons in Iraq about how to fight Militant Islamists. I have much doubt that they are learning fast enough that they will prevail in this consequential battle – before the American public sours on the mission.

There was never any guarantee that we would succeed in helping decent Iraqis create a decent society. I do think it would be a stunning defeat if we were to leave Iraq with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi still alive and al-Qadea in Iraq still a force to be reckoned with. Other defeats would almost certainly follow in other places (Pakistan? Lebanon? Jordan? Afghanistan? If not, why not?)

Meanwhile, Democrats offer no credible alternative to the administration’s policies. Most Democrats, like most Europeans, are in denial over the very fact that we're in a serious war against a very dangerous enemy.

They want to fight Bush and Republicans -- because Bush and Republicans they can maybe beat.

They don't want to fight Islamic Fascism because they don't have a clue as to how they would go about taking on such a foe while simultaneously keeping everyone happy at the UN and Human Rights Watch and the NYT and the Daily Kos and CAIR and …


9 posted on 03/08/2006 7:38:34 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Blueflag

Hi Folks: It is my first attempt at posting an article here.

Although I do not have that information at my fingertips, I will be sure to have it if I post again. I can get it from my source, who is a conservative friend.

The things you ask for were not required for posting but I agree I should have all that information before posting.

Thanks for your patience. These things need to be heard by this Country. I will get back to you on the source. : )


10 posted on 03/08/2006 7:42:03 AM PST by citizensgratitude (Our Military, present & past, the Highest example of Brotherhood of Man and doing God's Will)
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To: citizensgratitude

This writer is obviously full of crap. It's not like he's there.... (sarcasm)


11 posted on 03/08/2006 7:47:52 AM PST by D-Chivas
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To: citizensgratitude

12 posted on 03/08/2006 7:51:03 AM PST by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: citizensgratitude

bttt


13 posted on 03/08/2006 8:26:31 AM PST by Christian4Bush (I'd much rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy.)
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To: zarf

You are absolutley right !


14 posted on 03/08/2006 8:45:35 AM PST by citizensgratitude (Our Military, present & past, the Highest example of Brotherhood of Man and doing God's Will)
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To: citizensgratitude

The MSM wants the appearance of a Civil War so they can make the same claim in Vietnam that the hostilities are just a civil war and the US has no business being there.


15 posted on 03/08/2006 8:54:29 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Code Pink, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of the womyn)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Here is a note I just received from my girlfriend who has a son in Baghdad. If I may share:

*With a son in Baghdad, I don't appreciate the
disinformation. I worried a little extra these past
few days, since I hadn't heard from Joe.

But he tells me not to believe the press. He loves
the Iraqis and said they are good people and they love
America and are grateful to the Americans.*


16 posted on 03/08/2006 10:20:27 AM PST by citizensgratitude (Our Military, present & past, the Highest example of Brotherhood of Man and doing God's Will)
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To: citizensgratitude

We ought to sue the MSM for malfeasance.


17 posted on 03/08/2006 10:24:01 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..".Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity"GW Bush)
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To: citizensgratitude

The civil war was predicted by the same folks who predicted:

100,000 U.S. body bags in Afghanistan.
A Soviet style bog down in the Afghani mountains.
A collapse of U.S. control into just Kabul.
The failure of Afghan tribal factions to form a government.
The failure of President Karzai to hold the Afghan govt. together, once formed.
A success for the "containment" policy in Iraq.
A breakaway Kurdish state, causing civil war in Turkey.
A stiff resistance by the Republican Guard.
Repeated terrorist retaliations from Al Queda in the U.S.
Widespread evidence of government sanctioned torture.
Mass arrests of Arab-American citizens without trial.
Violent assaults on Muslims in the U.S. by redneck hoodlums.
Failure to supress radical Shia clerics, leading to civil war.
Zarkawi winning the popular support of the Sunni Triangle.
The escape of Saddam and sons.
The failure of the writing of a draft of the constitution.
The failure of the popular vote by Iraqi citizens.
The failure of the 2nd popular vote by Iraqi citizens.
The failure of the 3rd popular vote by Iraqi citizens.
The failure of the ratification of the constitution.

These guys are like "French Benefits" Frank, in the commercial. They're always wrong.


18 posted on 03/08/2006 10:52:32 AM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: citizensgratitude
He can't find the civil war because there is none to be found.

I've been hearing the media get all hopped up over a civil war for at least the more than two years I've been here and I've never seen it.

We have a new source of amusement at dinnertime. We watch CNN in the chow hall and when they start their nightly Iraq-Fiction, we laugh at just about every sentence of crapola Anish Ramin (or whatever his name is) spews. It's not worth getting angry about anymore.

CNN's location is Baghdad is very close to where we are. They're seeing the same things we are, but the difference is that they lie about it and we don't.

19 posted on 03/08/2006 11:05:55 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Allegra

Oh thank you Allegra !!

Well, I still get angry when I come across CNN or Apathetic Americans.

We pray for your safety and the safety of all our Armed Forces in harms' way.

Never Forget !!!!!!


20 posted on 03/08/2006 11:35:47 AM PST by citizensgratitude (Our Military, present & past, the Highest example of Brotherhood of Man and doing God's Will)
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To: citizensgratitude
"Thanks for your patience. These things need to be heard by this Country. I will get back to you on the source. : )"

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21 posted on 03/27/2006 9:32:57 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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