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Legitimate Concerns: "Illegal Beings" (Cloning)
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | March 9, 2006 | Charles Colson

Posted on 03/09/2006 6:05:17 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

In recent years, we have heard a lot of arguments in favor of therapeutic cloning, that is, cloning humans for medical purposes only. Reproductive cloning that would result in live births, we’re told, is something no one wants. And so lawmakers claim that the government ought to ban reproductive cloning but allow—even encourage—therapeutic cloning, as if anyone could control what’s done with the clone once produced.

But if no one is interested in reproductive cloning, how do we explain a recent book by Santa Clara University Law School professor Kerry Lynn Macintosh? In "Illegal Beings: Human Clones and the Law," Macintosh argues that opponents of human reproductive cloning are bigots, and she compares anti-cloning laws to anti-miscegenation laws that forbade blacks and whites from marrying.

Just as those laws were designed to keep mixed-race babies from being born, anti-cloning laws show prejudice against another group of possible babies: human clones.

Macintosh believes that whether or not reproductive cloning is banned, some scientist somewhere will go ahead with it anyway. (And on that score, I’m afraid, she is right.) In the meantime, she argues, a ban on cloning will have helped build prejudice against clones. Thus, the human clones who are born will face a society that treats them as “a suspect class” and routinely discriminates against them. “It is human nature to fear that which is dangerous and to hate that which we fear,” she explains. “Unfortunately, that includes human clones.”

Well, Macintosh’s logic is fundamentally flawed. She doesn’t deal with the most basic objection: You cannot argue that we must legally be allowed to clone human beings on the basis that they will be treated badly if they are illegally created. The first question is whether it’s right or wrong to create them in the first place.

Is it wrong? Macintosh tries hard to prove that it isn’t, but she fails to address troubling questions.

For example, she doesn’t deal with the fact that human clones are actually not their parents’ children. A clone would be the genetic twin of the person from whom he or she was cloned. Imagine how this would undermine family relationships. But Macintosh argues, “Families built through [current] assisted reproductive technologies are stable and loving.” That’s no comparison at all. Families developed through current reproductive technologies don’t result in an adult raising his or her own sibling as if that sibling were an offspring.

Macintosh also ignores what this will do to children who are manufactured this way. As my colleague Nigel Cameron at the Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity told PBS, “We’re moving into a whole redefinition of the way in which children and parents relate, because children become people whom we can design, rather than if they just come to us as gifts. . . . We’re talking about children who are also consumer products.”

Now, we may say this is much ado about nothing: Nobody is going to clone humans. Oh, yeah? A generation ago, folks said gays could not get marriage rights. All radical social movements start the same way—generally, as here, arguing on the grounds of discrimination. That’s why a ban on all human cloning is urgently needed. Otherwise, the lives that will be devalued will not only be the clones’, but ours, as well.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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In "Illegal Beings: Human Clones and the Law," Macintosh argues that opponents of human reproductive cloning are bigots, and she compares anti-cloning laws to anti-miscegenation laws that forbade blacks and whites from marrying.

Is it leftist arrogance that makes them think their ideas are so fantastic that only bigots could object, or is this just the only argument they've got left?

I think Colson's "raising a sibling" argument is pretty weak, but Cameron's "consumer products" argument is not only strong logic, but chilling.

There are links to further information at the source document.

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1 posted on 03/09/2006 6:05:18 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 03/09/2006 6:06:01 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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3 posted on 03/09/2006 6:06:31 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Before this becomes illegal, I'd like to state that I'm clonophobic and proud of it. (Although I must confess that I have a sneaky affection for that strange little guy who follows Dr. Mephisto around in South Park.)


4 posted on 03/09/2006 6:14:03 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
It is human nature to fear that which is dangerous

Okay, well, doh. And, Ms. Macintosh, this is a bad thing why??

5 posted on 03/09/2006 6:14:46 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: wouldntbprudent

Exactly.


6 posted on 03/09/2006 6:18:14 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Mr. Silverback
There was a fairly good movie on this very topic. It caused some great conversation in our home. It was titled The Island.
7 posted on 03/09/2006 6:35:34 AM PST by Gamecock (“We don’t preach the gospel clear enough for the non-elect to reject it.” ((Unknown))
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To: Mr. Silverback

Anyone else see the irony of having the people who support the aborting of babies conceived by people being the same people who support the birth of babies conceived in a test tube?


8 posted on 03/09/2006 6:36:38 AM PST by Casekirchen (A good guest (worker) knows when to go home because he's outstayed his welcome)
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To: Gamecock

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0216216/

What about The Sixth Day?


9 posted on 03/09/2006 7:13:59 AM PST by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: Mr. Silverback

Human cloning will inevitably happen somewhere like China and Americans will happily finance it. See, if you clone yourself then you will have "spare parts" available for transplant that are genetically 'yours' and thus, immune to transplant rejection. The movie "The Island" (a remake of "The Clonus Horror") was not far off in this.


10 posted on 03/09/2006 7:15:04 AM PST by PeterFinn (Anita Bryant was right!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I think Colson's "raising a sibling" argument is pretty weak,

I agree. Many children have been reared by older siblings, when the parents were dead, in prison, ill, in the Army, etc. (It's less likely today than in the past for a baby to have an adult sibling, but it still happens.)

The real arguments against reproductive cloning also apply to other forms of artificial reproduction, and many commentators just don't want to go there.

11 posted on 03/09/2006 7:27:50 AM PST by Tax-chick (Death is perishable. Faith is eternal.)
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To: PeterFinn
Human cloning will inevitably happen somewhere like China and Americans will happily finance it. See, if you clone yourself then you will have "spare parts" available for transplant that are genetically 'yours' and thus, immune to transplant rejection. The movie "The Island" (a remake of "The Clonus Horror") was not far off in this.

Sounds like alarmism;

A)Any clones would be children, it would take years before any viable parts could be harvested. In the Island, a fictional movie, they developed a mehtod to clone humans as adults.

B)What is far more likely is the growing of human parts in animals.

When the first humann clones arrive, who knows how they will be treated, I'm sure people will label them as monsters.

12 posted on 03/09/2006 7:32:42 AM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Cameron touches on the standing of clones as persons:

Nigel Cameron at the Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity told PBS, “We’re moving into a whole redefinition of the way in which children and parents relate, because children become people whom we can design, rather than if they just come to us as gifts. . . . We’re talking about children who are also consumer products.”

In the not distant future there are going to be 'gray zone' areas of government control such as artificial islands which both the Japanese and the Gulf Arabs are projecting building. Such locales will become ideal for the location of cloning and other leading edge genetic activities for which the legality may be questionable.

People wealthy enough to 'order' a cloned child are not in some cases be satisfied if their are any 'designer flaws' in the 'product'. Is the clone a returnable object. Will returned 'defective clones' then be 'disposed of' 'humanely' of course. Do clones especial those created in such gray zone locations have any standing as persons in the eyes of the law? Or can they be routinely 'disposed of' as with any other consumer product? This isn't science fiction but a situation looming in the not distant future.
13 posted on 03/09/2006 7:51:00 AM PST by robowombat
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To: ozoneliar

We could be sitting next to a clone on the bus and never know it.


14 posted on 03/09/2006 11:03:56 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: robowombat
This isn't science fiction but a situation looming in the not distant future.

I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Scientists are far away from creating a viable human clone.

15 posted on 03/09/2006 11:31:29 AM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: Casekirchen

I see it. Of course, in a way it isn't irony at all, just two different ways of giving God the finger.


16 posted on 03/09/2006 8:21:44 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Tax-chick
I agree. Many children have been reared by older siblings, when the parents were dead, in prison, ill, in the Army, etc.

Though I'm sure it doesn't affect my analysis of Colson's point, I guess I should note that my wife was 13 when her parents died, and was raised by adult siblings. She turned out just fine.

17 posted on 03/09/2006 8:40:33 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: ozoneliar
When the first humann clones arrive, who knows how they will be treated, I'm sure people will label them as monsters.

I doubt it. The only reason to regard a clone as a monster is if you regard the dumbass they're cloned from as a monster.

18 posted on 03/09/2006 8:44:56 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I doubt it.

We'll see. History is filled with all sorts of stuff. People have been labled monsters for far less than their genes.

19 posted on 03/09/2006 8:46:54 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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