The End of Communist China?

FrontPageMagazine ^ | 3/9/2006 | y Jamie Glazov interview of Gordon G. Chang, the author of The Coming Collapse of China.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Yes, very impressive about your father.

But I feel compelled to comment on something else.

RE: "Russians never owned anything"

I didn't make up the history of NEP. Russians proved just as free market capable as the Chinese have -- but Stalin and party ideologues terminated NEP and the Nepmen and seized western business men's technology and investments after just eight years or so.

The west had just begun pouring technology and wealth into Russia. Henry Ford even built an exact duplicate of his Michigan tractor plant and once that factory was built and operational he had it disassembled and shipped to south Russia where is was re-assembled.

American businessmen such as Averell Harriman, Armand Hammer, and Henry Ford facilitated commercial ties between the Soviet Union and the United States. However, after just eight years of outstanding free market successes among the Russians Joseph Stalin attempted to eradicate vestiges of capitalism and to make the Soviet Union economically self-sufficient.

The Red Chinese version of NEP has lasted more than 20 years and really took off starting on the afternoon of Jan. 20, 1993 -- in a big house on Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington, D.C. IMO.

BTW, the liberal Republicans and "progressives" tried to get "free trade" going with the Soviets all throughout the Cold War. If we didn't help build the Soviet economy we'd be "playing into the hands of communist hard liners" and it would be our fault if there was a war, the "free traders" said. We didn't and there wasn't. We won the Cold War.

Now let's see what's going to happen when the "free traders" have it their way dealing with Communists.

[satchmodog9]

All the while a Freeper accuses me of doom and gloom. People never learn.

[Junior_G]

What will our world look like when dozens of hostile and unstable regimes can trigger Armageddon? Perhaps things could turn out okay, but it is more likely that we will transition to a world that is unfamiliar to us, perhaps the most dangerous world imaginable. An international system that cannot defend its most vital interests against one of its weakest members cannot last. So this could be where the world writes its history for the next hundred years.

Ah, now I can go to sleep depressed.

[tallhappy]

Absolutely.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Looking back before the Russian Revolution, history shows the majority of Russians didn't own much. They share cropped for the land-owning class or toiled in menial jobs in the cities. The guild trade and craftsman concept never took hold in Russia like it did in most of Europe. When Communism came along, most Russians expected they would have a share of something instead of nothing.

[indcons]

Excellent article....may the authors predictions come true.

The long-overdue fall of the Communist Party may finally bring some relief to the suffering people of Tibet, Inner Mongolia, and Uighiristan. Taiwan will also reclaim its place as an independent country (despite the fond wishes of the inhuman ChiComs)

For people who think the ChiComs are not a threat (there are a few), this quote from the article bears repetition:

"FP: What is the most urgent and important bilateral issue between Washington and Beijing?

Chang: The most important and urgent issue is China's proliferation of nuclear technologies and its diplomatic support for regimes like North Korea and Iran that covet the most destructive weapon in history. No other issue comes close. Why? Because nukes are the only weapons that pose an existential threat to the United States."

[plck]

China must remain Communist! they can't be democracy! or else they will kill each other. In history, chinese always fight each other! Democrasy will make worse for chinese! I am Christian but I am chinese and I know myself and feel what would be happen. China must remain Communist forever! Or else...more dead...

[houeto]

Care to chime in on this thread?

[indcons]

China must remain Communist! they can't be democracy! or else they will kill each other. In history, chinese always fight each other! Democrasy will make worse for chinese! I am Christian but I am chinese and I know myself and feel what would be happen. China must remain Communist forever! Or else...more dead...

"WTF?" ALERT

[indcons]

Very nice.....what on earth are you doing on this site then? Don't we have enough ChiCom propagandists as it is?

Take it from me - your pulitburo masters can only rule for so long. You cannot hold back freedom and liberty successfully. Communist China will be free and the people of Tibet, Taiwan, Inner Mongolia, and other occupied territories will be free from the daily genocide that is being practised by the Han ChiComs.

The Cultural Revolution killed millions as did the Great Leap Forward. If we add the numbers of Tibetians, Mongolians, Uighirs, and religious people (Christians and Buddhists), the death tolls are far, far higher than Hitler's or Stalin's.

And you claim that democracy will kill more Chinese people!! Amazing!!!

I smell Ozone.

[Paul_Denton]

I see lightning in your future plck

[Paul_Denton]

Is it just me or has FR become innundated with chi-com propagandists lately?

[Paul_Denton]

Every single troll is now an ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC!

[indcons]

There are at least four of them running around (including our two new "friends").

The ChiCom masters are sending lots of slaves out to do their bidding. Something must be brewing in that hell hole.

[Paul_Denton]

Yeah I know. The troll patrol has had its hands full lately. That and this article. Must be something going on over there indeed.

[indcons]

[Paul_Denton]

LOL I love that animation. The troll ran off it seems.

[indcons]

Thanks...copied it froma different thread though :)

I am sure we'll see the trolls again in the near future. Looks like the ChiComs are revising their talking points though ("democracy will kill too many Chinese!!"). This coming from a person who is a self-professed Christian; if this were true, surely this troll would know about the "special treatment" that is reserved for Christians in ChiComland (and the occupied territories).

[Paul_Denton]

LOL no doubt. How inventive "Democracy will kill more" but that argument like the rest of theirs will not work. I dont have the URL on hand but there was a thread that showed pictures of what happens to Christians in China. I will look for that link.

[gogoman]

I dont have the URL on hand but there was a thread that showed pictures of what happens to Christians in China. I will look for that link.

Major protestant sects, like Baptists and Methodists, are tolerated in China. It's Roman Catholicism that is mostly persecuted, because Catholics see the Pope as their spiritual leader. Essentially any religion that has religious leaders (such as Tibetan Buddhism) tend to be persecuted in China.