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State Dept.: U.S. Hostage Tom Fox Killed
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Posted on 03/10/2006 5:54:48 PM PST by hole_n_one

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To: Dr. Scarpetta
At this point I don't know and, frankly, I don't care. His sponsoring organization is made up of the usual suspect denominations. Leftist Mennonites, Methodists, etc., etc., etc. Seems to me if the left isn't proactive with a Liberation Theology agenda, they're working the other angle with pacifist utopians like Mr. Fox. Go up to the top of the thread to find my link and look the group's website over. You may recall that Hillary is a convert of the leftist apostate Methodist schism.

P.S. The name Jim Fox rings a bell, too, and I'll bet if we dig a little further into his past, we might find a life and complex he's working hard to overcome. Seems to me that there was a Weatherman by that name that one of my siblings knew way back when...we shall see.
201 posted on 03/11/2006 7:56:36 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: SerpentDove
I actually have heard radio spots here in Dallas on CONSERVATIVE radio KSKY, by a group called something like "Evangelicals Against Global Warming" or some such crap. The voice-over said something like "Evangelicals all over are banding together to stop Global Warming" and so forth. It was such thinly disguised leftist propaganda.

They also have TV ads that I have seen on the Fox News Channel. I have to say that it is slick marketing. It presents the "facts" in a context that is hard to be against (as if Jesus is telling us all personally to join the Sierra Club). I would like to see some talk show hosts address who is behind it and expose their agenda.

202 posted on 03/11/2006 8:18:31 AM PST by luv2ski
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To: eeevil conservative

Hugging is good - but beheading is baaaaaaaaaad, mmmmkay?

Joking aside, when are these people going to get it?

Anyway, prayers for a lost soul. † Tom's last moments really must have been bad, but he lived like he wanted to and everyone sees the result. His murder ultimately re-justifies our presence in Iraq.


203 posted on 03/11/2006 8:20:58 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: tallhappy
This is a horrible question, but, does his body have a head?

I read this morning somewhere that his hands were tied behind him and he had been shot in the head. There was evidence of torture by electric cables (beaten by them it was thought).

204 posted on 03/11/2006 8:20:59 AM PST by luv2ski
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To: All
Here's a photo of the late Tom Fox demonstrating on behalf of the radical palestinian cause.

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And here's a link to the site of the delusional leftist organization he belonged to. Interesting reading.

205 posted on 03/11/2006 8:25:59 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: LurkedLongEnough

PROFOUND words of WISDOM!

A TREMENDOUS ADDITION TO THIS THREAD!

THANK YOU for sharing that!


206 posted on 03/11/2006 8:29:29 AM PST by eeevil conservative (I am not flirting......I am not flirting.......honest, I am not flirting......ok..I AM flirting.....)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I don't know. Someone put that photo on the song thread I did for the human shield adventure.


207 posted on 03/11/2006 8:40:20 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Good point, and maybe it is time to unleash the nukes of war on Iran and the rest of the muskie enclaves.

As I See It,
NSNR-THM


208 posted on 03/11/2006 8:53:00 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: hole_n_one

Prayers for his family,Guess Rush was wrong on this one.


209 posted on 03/11/2006 9:17:10 AM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: fanfan

Prayer BUMP!


210 posted on 03/11/2006 9:49:27 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: hole_n_one

"Dyin' ain't much of a livin', boy"

--The Outlaw Josey Wales

Nothing changed except our regards for the graciousness of his captors. Will anyone learn?


211 posted on 03/11/2006 9:50:26 AM PST by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

"Read the link I provide about his sponsor (or cover) organization. He was no friend of America, our troops or our way of life. His citizenship seems to have been by fortune of birth and nothing more - as it is for all travelers."

To be honest I don't care. Having the wrong political ideas doesn't warrent a violent death at the hands of muslim radicals. My thoughts and prayers are with the family of Mr. Fox.


212 posted on 03/11/2006 9:57:35 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: freepatriot32

"Christian Peacemaker Teams had been working in Iraq since October 2002"

Oddly enough, we didn't invade Iraq until Spring 2003.


213 posted on 03/11/2006 10:06:03 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: hole_n_one

Quite frankly, given our forces track record of finding these hostages, I have begun to simply believe them dead once they are taken. It's not a knock against our men and women in uniform, they are simply not trained to find the proverbial needle in the haystack.


214 posted on 03/11/2006 11:05:29 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam, Religion of Peace and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: GRRRRR

When will we learn, let's use some airpower and decimate them...?



Sadly, probably not until the nukes start going off in this country after the Iranians pay our "friends" in Mexico to smuggle a couple over. Of course by then it's too late, you've got hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, and two Presidents hostile to any thought of border security running for their lives.


215 posted on 03/11/2006 11:08:09 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam, Religion of Peace and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

The Presbyterian Church USA is trying to get people to divest from Isreal in protest of the wall. These liberal denominations are naively dangerous.


216 posted on 03/11/2006 12:02:09 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta (There's always a reason to choose life.)
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To: 1rudeboy

The terrorists haven't won anything .. in fact this treatment of an American will just solidify our troops even more. The terrorist's action prove they cannot be dealth with except TO KILL THEM before THEY KILL US.


217 posted on 03/11/2006 12:23:42 PM PST by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: CyberAnt

I was responding to a knee-jerk, "nuke 'em all"-type reaction that has since been deleted by a Mod.


218 posted on 03/11/2006 12:32:21 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: CyberAnt
It also points out something that should send shudders down the backs of the American hating left everywhere.

As far as I can tell, Mr. Fox went over there as a war prostester...to encourage "the resistance"....basically to help the enemy and further undermine our WOT. The "resistance" killed him anyway. This tells me, maybe not everyone else, that the terrorists are out to kill infidels and the infidels politics do not matter.

It could have just been a misunderstanding, however, and miscommunication due to the language barrier....heh heh heh

219 posted on 03/11/2006 12:33:06 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Terrorists fear and respect our Marines and soldiers even if they hate them. You can rest assured they fear and respect President Bush, whom they loathe. Even the most vicious animal respects and fears superior power and skill.

But terrorists neither fear nor respect the defeatists and deluded peacenik leftists who seek to mollify and "understand" them. For them they have nothing but contempt.

220 posted on 03/11/2006 12:44:16 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: 1rudeboy

Well .. my post was a good msg anyway!


221 posted on 03/11/2006 12:54:37 PM PST by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: hole_n_one

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

I may believe that this man was foolish for doing what he did, but I have to respect him for believing in something so much that he put his own life on the line.


222 posted on 03/11/2006 3:40:32 PM PST by Piedra79
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To: hole_n_one

Their (CPT) mantra is... Get In The Way! Well, he got in the way, and he got smoked. Fairly straight forward lesson. He underestimated the heinous nature of the enemy (EVIL personified.)


223 posted on 03/11/2006 3:42:27 PM PST by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: Youngman442002
that the muslims were the good guys and we were the bad guys...now he knows the truth....

I hope you're right, but I doubt it. I think he died of stupidity. Any person with half a brain knows you don't go into a war zone unless you have reason and support. He was just a liberal do-gooder who thinks these animals are human.
224 posted on 03/11/2006 3:58:08 PM PST by Semperfi.Ex.USMC
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To: B.O. Plenty

Remember Nick Berg who was beheaded loved Islam per his dad. That was the beheading with picture and/or audio. It was on so much that I'd turn down the radio.


225 posted on 03/11/2006 5:06:28 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: doug from upland

"When they finally got there, Hussein wanted a thousand bucks from each. Then, he wanted them to be human shields at places like powerplants that were targets."

- - > "They didn't bargain on that, so they went back home."

Well...one smart thing they actually managed to do...


226 posted on 03/11/2006 5:48:18 PM PST by Diligent
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I don't believe that they (the church leadership) are naive. I believe they are communists. Years ago, I took a course on Marxism. The instructor was a high level communist involved in all sorts of pro-Cuba crap. One of his favorite stories was to talk about one of his friends, who, at that time, was the head of the National Council of Churches. The humor, for him, was that his friend could never concede that at the heart of Marxism was the bedrock of immutably materialist beliefs. This Professor thought it hugely funny that his friend kept trying to synthesize some kind of amalgamate between Marx and Jesus. My instructor thought that was the height of naivete, not that his friend was an active and committed communist in a cleric's collar but couldn't admit that his "faith" was a sham.

That, I believe, is far more the reality. This Mr. Fox knew exactly what he was about but it wasn't the Jesus of the Bible - it was his own radical cleric vision of utopia that he, and those like him, have pasted a picture of Jesus onto. Unfortunately, his opposite kook numbers believe in a radically different kind of utopia that calls for the murder of infidels - even if they are apostate Marxist infidels.
227 posted on 03/11/2006 6:20:11 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: Piedra79
I have to respect him for believing in something so much that he put his own life on the line.

This line of thought is the same basis of Bill Mahr's statement of respect for the 911 terrorists.
228 posted on 03/11/2006 6:25:33 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Big difference....this did not plow a plane into a building killing thousands. He lived and died on a truly christian ideal and it puzzles me why so many so-called christians here would imply that he got his just reward.


229 posted on 03/11/2006 6:32:14 PM PST by Piedra79
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To: Piedra79
He lived and died on a truly christian ideal and it puzzles me why so many so-called christians here would imply that he got his just reward.

What Christian ideal would that be?

If you look at his sponsor site, you'll find that these people have little or nothing in common with traditional Christianity, Christ or Scriptural directives.

Isolating actions as worthy of respect because of the idealism behind them is precisely what Mahr did and what he tried to explain ad infinitum.
230 posted on 03/11/2006 6:40:12 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: hole_n_one

when I first heard about these four kidnappings,
my thought was, this could hve been staged.

I still think so.

...
free lance diplomats, human shields, etc.
just giving aid and comfort to the enemy


231 posted on 03/11/2006 8:06:26 PM PST by greasepaint
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To: hole_n_one; All

Are any of the people on FR who insisted this guy and his group faked their own kidnapping now going to admit they were wrong? Or just pile on about how he deserved it.


232 posted on 03/11/2006 9:00:51 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Perhaps you would care to enlighten me as to how they don't have anything in common with Christ or Scriptural directives.


233 posted on 03/11/2006 10:25:12 PM PST by Piedra79
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To: Piedra79

Uh, I thought he "FIRMLY opposed all repression". Maybe like Saddam slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people, maybe? No. That was A-OK to Mr. Fox. If he had his way Hussein would still be filling up mass graves. Jesus said "turn the other cheek". He didn't say "help and abet enemies of your country slaughter innocents."


234 posted on 03/12/2006 1:29:15 AM PST by boop (The Gimp's asleep!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
You gotta feel bad for a guy who goes to Iraq to prove WE, the USA, are abusing the Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq and he ends up like this. Like Elmer Fudd says, "It's a scwewy world."

There has to be a Darwin award in here somewhere.
235 posted on 03/12/2006 2:01:20 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Piedra79; WorkingClassFilth; boop
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Traveling into a combat zone to disparage and disrupt your own nation's military service members, while simultaneously giving sympathetic aid and comfort to enemy COMBATANTS, does not fit ANY definition of "peacemaker," biblical or otherwise.

I have to respect him for believing in something so much that he put his own life on the line.

By that argument, you must also respect suicide bombers. Or the 9/11 hijackers. Or "Rat Boy" (Jihad Johnny Walker Lindh). How about spies and traitors within our military and government who aid our enemies because they believe America is evil?

236 posted on 03/12/2006 4:20:54 PM PST by SpyGuy
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To: WorkingClassFilth
"It's unfortunate that he was killed, but I do not consider him guiltless in his own death. In fact, I would consider him a yet another fool who got what he unthinkingly sought."

He reminds me of the preacher in the 1950s "War of the Worlds" who says, "They [the Martians] are God's creatures, just like us," as he walks across the field towards the Martians, holding up a crucifix, I think. Of course, he is immediately incinerated.
237 posted on 03/12/2006 4:27:33 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: isthisnickcool

This guy clearly took the position that the USA is the problem in Iraq. If there is any record of him going to Iraq before the war to protest Saddam's regime, Saddam's tortures, Saddam's murders, I'll apologize. But as I see it, the guy was trying to make peace with the enemies of civilization; he was an educated man, and I am not going to make excuses for him by calling him a fool. Keep in mind, his fate will be the fate of all of us if we adopt his point of view.


238 posted on 03/12/2006 4:33:44 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Piedra79
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

This man was NOT a "peacemaker." He was a man who made common cause with terrorists; he tried to make a deal with the devil, with the usual consequences of such a pact.
239 posted on 03/12/2006 4:37:15 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

On each death of American, drive THREE Guantanomo terrorists through streets on rope to car. This will teach them about respecting America.


240 posted on 03/12/2006 4:38:37 PM PST by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: Piedra79

Uh, perhaps you would care to answer that question for me - as I asked first.


241 posted on 03/12/2006 8:23:21 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: SpyGuy

I believe you are 100% correct. Those claiming his Christian identity are trusting in the name of Christ and not seeing the humanistic nature of the apostate church.


242 posted on 03/12/2006 8:27:35 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Yep, you got it. See this post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1594253/posts?page=6#6


243 posted on 03/12/2006 8:30:07 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I believe you are 100% correct. Those claiming his Christian identity are trusting in the name of Christ

Anyone can claim to be a good Christian. But that doesn't make it so. Michael Morales, that piece of offal on California's death row, is a prime example.

Unfortunately, many of the Christian churches in America have been infiltrated and corrupted by the Left, just as they have done with our schools and universities, newspapers and media, and judicial benches. For them, it's just another battlefront in their war on America and traditional family values.

244 posted on 03/12/2006 8:48:51 PM PST by SpyGuy
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To: SpyGuy

Again, I believe you are 100% correct.


245 posted on 03/12/2006 9:02:05 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: isthisnickcool
It's unfortunate that he was killed, but I do not consider him guiltless in his own death.

Nothing personal but that's crap. He was a US citizen and didn't in any, way shape or form deserve to be slaughtered like some kind of animal. He was killed by f'ing robotic evil worthless cowards. Even the worst American with the most vile politics is worth a 1000 of the muzzie scumbags.

Time to do what the Romans did...Oh, sorry Cindy Seahag and Code Pinko will have kittens if we were to act like the empire that they claim we are. (rereading that I'm not sure that it makes any sense)...1000 dead muslims for every dead American proselytizer or not.

246 posted on 03/13/2006 12:23:53 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: hole_n_one

I found this in an email from a group I had used for reference once, preparing something for church, and have been getting email newsletters, which I never read, but this one said "Rememebering Tom Fox, so of course I opened it. Interesting, needless to say:

Tom's last journey
by Doug Pritchard
Our brother Tom has begun his final journey home.


He left Anaconda military base at Balat, Iraq, at dawn on Mar. 13 (9 p.m. EST, Mar. 12), and is expected to arrive at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware at 1 a.m. EST, Mar. 14.


CPT Toronto was originally informed by Canadian authorities at 1:30 p.m. EST Mar. 10, that a body had been found in Baghdad which was likely that of Tom Fox. An hour later, when the CPT Iraq team asked officials at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad if they could come to identify the body, they were told that it had already left on a military transport for Dover. Officials had repeatedly assured the team over the previous three months that CPT would be able to accompany our colleagues home "if at all possible." They now said that their only focus was getting the body back to the USA as soon as possible. At 8 p.m. EST, the U.S. State Department confirmed the identity as Tom Fox based on fingerprints.


The next day, Mar. 11, at 10 a.m. EST, CPT Iraq learned that Tom's body was still at the Anaconda base at Balat. The U.S. Embassy arranged for Beth Pyles, a member of the CPT Iraq team, to travel to Anaconda, and she was able to keep vigil with Tom for the next 36 hours until his departure. Meanwhile, CPT members Rich Meyer and Anne Montgomery travelled to Dover, and have been in the vicinity since 5 p.m. Mar. 11, keeping vigil and awaiting Tom's arrival.


Pyles was present on the tarmac at Anaconda as Tom's coffin was loaded onto the plane for Dover. She reported that his coffin was draped in a U.S. flag. This is unusual for a civilian, but Tom may not have been uncomfortable with this since he had always called his nation to live out the high ideals which it professed. Iraqi detainees who die in U.S custody are also transported to Dover for autopsies and forensics. On this plane, right beside Tom's coffin, was the coffin of an Iraqi detainee. So Tom accompanied an Iraqi detainee in death, just as he had done so often in life.


At Tom's departure, Pyles read out from the gospel of John, "The light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not overcome it" (1:5). In honour of Tom's Iraqi companion, she spoke the words called out repeatedly from the mosques of Baghdad during the Shock and Awe bombing campaign in March 2003, "allah akhbar" (God is greater). She concluded the sending with words from the Jewish scriptures, "The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD" (Job 1:21).


Dawn broke. The contingent of Puerto Rican soldiers nearby saluted. The plane taxied away. Venus, the morning star, shone brightly overhead as the night faded away. Godspeed you, Tom, on your final journey home to your family and friends.


Doug Pritchard is a co-director of Christian Peacemaker Teams.

____________________________________________
Then, there was this:

Remembering Tom Fox
by Celeste Kennel-Shank
Some said they wanted revenge. Others said they were trying to forgive those who took his life. Others came to pray tribute to their former friend and colleague.


In a discussion led by Tom Fox's colleagues and professors from Eastern Mennonite University's Center for Justice and Peacebuilding on Saturday night in Washington, D.C., participants pondered peace issues, response to Fox's death, and the possibility of reconciliation with those labeled enemies.

(But I'd need to register to read the article, and I'm not going to do that.)



http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=about_us.home


247 posted on 03/13/2006 12:30:15 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Ouderkirk
1000 dead muslims for every dead American proselytizer or not.

How about 1000 mosques instead?

248 posted on 03/13/2006 1:26:20 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Jack Bauer: "By the time I'm finished with you you're going to wish you felt this good again".)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Hwy WCF,
I agree with you wholeheartedly Brother!!!

Don't Tread On Us,
NSNR-THM


249 posted on 03/19/2006 2:50:30 PM PST by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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