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BOOKSTORE CENSORS [SF clerk calls Fallaci "Fascist"]
The New York Post ^ | March 11, 2006 | By CATHY SEIPP

Posted on 03/11/2006 7:45:47 AM PST by aculeus

A FRIEND of mine took his daughter to visit the famous City Lights in San Francisco, explaining that this store is important because years ago it sold books no other store would - even, perhaps especially, books whose ideas many people found offensive. So, though my friend is no Ward Churchill fan, he didn't really mind the prominent display of books by the guy who famously called 9/11 victims "little Eichmanns."

But it did occur to him that perhaps the long-delayed English translation of Oriana Fallaci's new book, "The Force of Reason," might finally be available, and that, because Fallaci's militant stance against Islamic militants offends so many people a store committed to selling banned books would be the perfect place to buy it. So he asked a clerk if the new Fallaci book was in yet.

"No," snapped the clerk. "We don't carry books by fascists."

Just savor the absurd details of this for a minute. City Lights has a long and proud history of supporting banned authors - owner Lawrence Ferlinghetti was indicted (and acquitted) for obscenity in 1957 for selling Allen Ginsberg's "Howl," and a photo in the store's main room shows Ferlinghetti proudly posing next to a sign reading, "BANNED BOOKS." City Lights also has been featured in the ACLU's annual Banned Books Week events.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bookreview; fallaci; fascists; forceofreason; hypocrites; orianafallaci
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1 posted on 03/11/2006 7:45:49 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Just savor the absurd details of this...

Savor bump

2 posted on 03/11/2006 7:49:30 AM PST by Drango (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: aculeus

I read this on the subway this morning, it's beyond disgraceful!


3 posted on 03/11/2006 7:50:41 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: aculeus

Ah yes, those darned "liberals" are just so tolerant, open minded, warm and loivng aren't they?

Leftism and "liberalism" is a one way street.


4 posted on 03/11/2006 7:52:43 AM PST by garyhope (In vino veritas. Ars longa, vita brevis, too brevis.)
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To: aculeus

The clerk probably wouldn't be able to define the word 'fascist' even after reading its definition.


5 posted on 03/11/2006 7:54:08 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Drango

Dog bites man


6 posted on 03/11/2006 7:54:25 AM PST by StACase
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To: aculeus

Just wait till the right people are in charge, then this book clerk will be the first in line to put a bullet through the skulls of those who hold intolerant views.


7 posted on 03/11/2006 7:57:06 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: aculeus

BUMP


8 posted on 03/11/2006 8:00:58 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: aculeus

Betcha City Lights carries the works of Ezra Pound. (Antisemitic fascist poet).


9 posted on 03/11/2006 8:03:05 AM PST by Poincare
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To: Drango

Yep, certain people in the US are making it harder and harder to feel sorry for them if they ever fall under the rule of radical Islam.


10 posted on 03/11/2006 8:05:25 AM PST by JLS
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To: aculeus

Next time I'm North Beach I think I will stop there and see if they have Ann Coulter or David Horowitz's latest books.


11 posted on 03/11/2006 8:06:51 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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To: aculeus
"I do not believe in vile acquittals, phony appeasements, easy forgiveness. Even less, in the exploitation or the blackmail of the word 'peace'. When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace. It is suicide." -Oriana Fallaci
12 posted on 03/11/2006 8:08:11 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Your nation is being destroyed from within and without. What are you doing about it?)
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To: Poincare

Yes, I bet they do, and Pound was an out-and-out avowed Fascist of the official stripe.


13 posted on 03/11/2006 8:10:52 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: aculeus

Leftists never actually believe in "Freedom". They know that practically no one will accept the logical outcome of Marxism which is the destruction of personal freedom in favor of collective control. Their kind of Freedom is better defined as "License".


14 posted on 03/11/2006 8:21:11 AM PST by Dr. Thorne
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To: aculeus

Bump.


15 posted on 03/11/2006 8:21:35 AM PST by Rocko (Liberals -- they have a compassion you always hear about, but never witness.)
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To: aculeus

Bump.


16 posted on 03/11/2006 8:21:38 AM PST by Rocko (Liberals -- they have a compassion you always hear about, but never witness.)
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To: aculeus

I bet you could find a copy of Mein Kampf in City Lights.

Probably a few copies of the koran too.


17 posted on 03/11/2006 8:27:16 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: aculeus
I once knew a young Wellesley College graduate (no, not Hillary Rodham Clinton), who declared to me with a straight face that Ayn Rand was a fascist. Of course, Ayn Rand is well-known as an anti-fascist. It stands to reason that Rand's brand of freedom would be anathema to any "educated" leftist. I doubt that she came to use that word by accident, though - I imagine that the word 'fascist' was intentionally degraded, by the teachers at Wellesley and probably by those at other leftist bastions, to an all-purpose epithet devoid of any true meaning (other than that anything that they had been taught to disagree with was by definition 'fascist').

One of my sisters is also a Wellesley graduate. I love her very much, but sadly I know from firsthand experience that even though she is very bright, she is physically and mentally incapable of having a reasoned discussion of anything that crosses some imaginary line of political correctness. That must have been a learned response - because she shares the same genes and similar childhood home environment with me.

I am perfectly capable of fairly stating the views of my political opponents and debating them on an honest level - if I had to, I could take the opposite side in such a debate and score plenty of points. But that is out of the question with her and with her Wellesley-educated peers that I have met. My sister did not formally major in the intellectually- and academically-bankrupt field of "women's studies", but the stubborn and dogmatic responses that she shows to certain topics lead me to believe that she got infected with a full dose of it just by spending four years on that campus.

18 posted on 03/11/2006 8:27:39 AM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: Poincare
Why, yes they DO carry Pound poetry!

Their phone number is: 415-362-8193.

Call after 10am PST.

I checked their web site search and they SURE do carry Pound!! Lots of that fascist, EZRA POUND!!

19 posted on 03/11/2006 8:39:46 AM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: texasbluebell
HI! there Texasbluebell!!

Searched their site...no Hitler "literature".

But as I indicated in a prior post, they do carry Ezra Pound and lots of it!!

Doncha' just love liberal "hypocrazy"!!! LOL!!

20 posted on 03/11/2006 8:43:35 AM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: The Electrician

A modern college education is largely four years of partying interspersed with periods of half-baked liberal socialist and communist indoctrination followed by about 10 years of wasted life while the former student attempts to shed the bullshirt.


21 posted on 03/11/2006 8:44:40 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: aculeus

Todays liberals are the real fascists. And probably not all that bright. Calling things "fascist" by reflex is a good way to not have to think about them. I despise liberalism.


22 posted on 03/11/2006 8:46:51 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: aculeus

This reminds me of seeing two different cars this week with a sticker calling bush an "American Terrorist. The drivers of both cars were either in their late teens or 20's. I am not very that much older than they are. I could imagine some of the music they listen to. It is really sad to see people believing that tripe, especially when there is so much information to counter it. I wonder if these same idiots would hail Castro has a great humanitarian.


23 posted on 03/11/2006 8:46:53 AM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: texasbluebell

Searched koran and quran and got nothing on their site. Maybe they keep it filed under "holy" .... yuk.


24 posted on 03/11/2006 8:47:39 AM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside
May those late teens or early twenty-sumptins' live long enough to suffer under an islamic terrorists or have to DIE fighting one off!!

They would have NOT lasted as soldiers in the Korean War I tell ya! They would have caved in like a tin foil roof!!

25 posted on 03/11/2006 8:51:00 AM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Do you include science and engineering in that? If you go get a degree in, for instance, chemical engineering, you'll probably spend the 10 years after college making lots of money.


26 posted on 03/11/2006 8:54:11 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: MichiganConservative
"Todays liberals are the real fascists. And probably not all that bright. Calling things "fascist" by reflex is a good way to not have to think about them. I despise liberalism."

Actually they are commies!! But turn over a commie and there is a fascist on the other side... both dirty rotten, totalitarians!!

27 posted on 03/11/2006 8:57:56 AM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: The Electrician
One of my sisters is also a Wellesley graduate

Somehow, this situation reminds me of that old Country and Western song, "Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys"!

28 posted on 03/11/2006 8:59:53 AM PST by Gritty (I could have ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Instead I ended up at Yale.-Rahmatullah Hashemi)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I would have gone to see if he was carrying Mein Kampf and then asked him if he knew who wrote it.


29 posted on 03/11/2006 9:01:03 AM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

To people like this a working definition of "fascist" would be anyone they don't like or agree with.


30 posted on 03/11/2006 9:04:01 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (When Bush says "we mustn't act like clowns," the RATS don their multi-colored wigs and greasepaint.)
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To: The Electrician
Wellesley may well be the worst example of political correctness in the history of US "higher" education. A young friend of may came back from there with a degree in Feminist Studies. She now works at NOW's national headquarters. She is the most intolerant person I know.
31 posted on 03/11/2006 9:06:36 AM PST by kjo
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To: aculeus

This is the kind of hypocrisy that is typical of the far left.
There is nothing surprising about this story at all except that the author was apparently surprised.


32 posted on 03/11/2006 9:13:34 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: EternalVigilance

I believe she was the one who was asked the difference between a radical Moslem and a moderate Moslem and she said, words to the effect, the length of their beards.


33 posted on 03/11/2006 9:13:50 AM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: MichiganConservative
Your comment is the fallacy of petitio principi. I don't see why such huge amounts of tax dollars should go to support the vast Liberal Arts apparatus which dominates most universities in order to support a small engineering school perched welk-like on its back. Two thirds of the tax gobbling state universities could be easily eliminated with no loss to the culture or the economy. Alternately, two thirds of any given public university could be given the same treatment. They are the breeding dens of the Anti-American Left. Personally, the only thing I would miss would be the football teams. But most of those are semiprofessional anyway.
34 posted on 03/11/2006 9:18:16 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: aculeus
But let's also say that one of the great paradoxes of our time is that two groups most endangered by political Islam, gays and women, somehow still find ways to defend it.

Evil always eats its own. "By their fruits shall you know them," we were promised, and with failing to recognize their own harvest, fashionable moralists unite themselves to their own destruction.

35 posted on 03/11/2006 9:20:28 AM PST by TheGeezer (I.will.never.vote.for.John.McCain.)
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To: The Electrician
she is physically and mentally incapable of having a reasoned discussion of anything that crosses some imaginary line of political correctness

Physically? Woof, she must be a lively "debater"! You have my sympathy.

36 posted on 03/11/2006 9:23:20 AM PST by TheGeezer (I.will.never.vote.for.John.McCain.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Actually, I was asking whether you included engineering in that. I wasn't sure. It really annoys me when people don't differentiate between worthless programs such as womens' studies and useful pursuits such as mechanical engineering.


37 posted on 03/11/2006 9:23:27 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: MichiganConservative

In my ideal world I would keep the math based programs and eliminate most of the touchy-feely stuff.

My ideal university would have a calculus requirement in the Freshman year.


38 posted on 03/11/2006 9:36:20 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: aculeus

I'm savoring as fast as I can.


39 posted on 03/11/2006 9:38:41 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: kjo
A young friend of may came back from there with a degree in Feminist Studies.

That's interesting. I've often wondered how people with degrees in feminist studies, black studies, or other "oppression studies" can make a living.

"Do you want fries with that?"

40 posted on 03/11/2006 9:38:54 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
My ideal university would have a calculus requirement in the Freshman year.

Amen and Amen. I would go one step further and require EVERY PhD candidate to pass math up through differential equations, just to prove that they have the mental horsepower to be worthy of the title "Doctor". That'd clean out alot of these programs in a hurry.

41 posted on 03/11/2006 10:23:22 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: lafroste

I second that motion.


42 posted on 03/11/2006 10:38:50 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: aculeus

Fallaci is a great writer she has spanned -Liberal to conservative--this is outrageous!!!


43 posted on 03/12/2006 7:37:06 AM PST by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: Poincare

I know they did in 1998.


44 posted on 03/12/2006 7:40:32 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: aculeus

So, liberals are into censorship.


45 posted on 03/12/2006 7:43:53 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: aculeus
I wonder if they've got anything my Mussolini there? Or Mein Kampf, which was by his ally.

Mark

46 posted on 03/12/2006 7:49:23 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: CodeToad
So, liberals are into censorship.

Absolutely! Campaign Finance Reform, hate crime laws, political correctness... The list goes on and on...

Mark

47 posted on 03/12/2006 7:53:12 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Michael.SF.
will stop there and see if they have Ann Coulter or David Horowitz's latest books.

They don't even carry Ayn Rand books.

48 posted on 05/05/2006 12:42:58 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: snarks_when_bored

Isn't the definition of fascism basically censoring or silencing those who don't hold the same opinions that you do? Isn't that what the clerk/bookstore is doing? Irony?


49 posted on 05/05/2006 1:06:17 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: GSWarrior

Are you serious?


50 posted on 05/05/2006 3:23:58 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Cynicism, is an unpleasant way of telling the truth" -- Lillian Hellman)
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