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Activist posts pictures of clinic visitors
Rapid City Journal ^ | 3/10/06 | AP

Posted on 03/11/2006 11:35:42 AM PST by wagglebee

FARGO, N.D. (AP) - An anti-abortion activist is posting Internet pictures of women entering an abortion clinic here.

Martin Wishnatsky, who is banned from going within 150 feet of the Red River Women's Clinic, said he usually stands on a street corner to take the photos.

"I have a little zoom lens," he said. "I felt it would really give the average person who doesn't visit there a firsthand view of what it looks like to someone who is there.

"I hope this might contribute to turning people's hearts back to life."

Along with the photographs, Wishnatsky has posted the license plates of cars driven by people entering the clinic.

Clinic director Tammi Kromenaker called it an intimidation tactic.

"I think anytime photographs are taken of people and used in this way, that it could be a safety problem," Kromenaker said.

The clinic is advising women not to park across the street and to wear a hat, scarf or sunglasses and no distinctive clothing, she said.

Jennifer Ring, the director of American Civil Liberties Union Dakota chapter, said a number of tactics have been used to identify abortion clinic staff members in other parts of the country. She said they can endanger the lives of the staff, and "can get very scary, very quickly."

Ring said she would speak to an attorney about Wishnatsky's activities. "My first instinct is, as disgusting as it is and as dangerous as it is, it's probably legal," she said.

Women entering the clinic are not necessarily there for abortions, Ring said.

"How does he know that one of these people isn't, for instance, delivering coffee for someone who works there?" she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortuary; aclu; angrynutjobposters; fargo; holywarriorkook; infanticide; lunaticfundie; martinwishnatsky; moonbat; plannedparenthood; prolife
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But if abortion has so much support as they claim, then this shouldn't matter.
1 posted on 03/11/2006 11:35:44 AM PST by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback

Pro-Life Ping.


2 posted on 03/11/2006 11:36:29 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

We had a secretary in our office who got screamed at "not to kill her baby!" while she was headed to a travel agency in the same building.


3 posted on 03/11/2006 11:38:04 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: wagglebee

I don't have any expectation of privacy anywhere in the public sphere, but this just reeks.

Some Christian Charity.

I don't support abortion, but I also don't support this method.

Try prayer instead of harrassment.


4 posted on 03/11/2006 11:38:06 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: wagglebee
""How does he know that one of these people isn't, for instance, delivering coffee for someone who works there?" she said."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH....sure they are.

5 posted on 03/11/2006 11:39:17 AM PST by skimask (Ezekiel: 25/17)
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To: wagglebee
Clinic director Tammi Kromenaker called it an intimidation tactic.

Why should this be seen as "intimidation"? Having an abortion is no more "sinful" or shameful than having a tonsillectomy.

At least that's what the lesbians who run NOW and the National Coalition To Ensure That All Abortionists Can Afford A Lexus would have us believe.

8 posted on 03/11/2006 11:42:06 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Javelina

It can be amusing when they scream at women going into a Planned Parenthood in this area, since they're usually at ones that do NOT offer abortion services, and they don't even bother to do their homework.

The secretary fortunately thought it was amusing to get screamed at for daring to book a cruise in the Caribbean, but it wouldn't have been so funny if her tires had been slashed.

If there's a point in doing this besides outright intimidation, would anyone care to say what it is?


9 posted on 03/11/2006 11:44:50 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: OpusatFR

I'm with you, this is disgusting.


10 posted on 03/11/2006 11:45:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: linda_22003
In Pensacola there were two clinic that performed abortions. Both doctors got shot, I think one was killed.

The only problem there was that the one that was killed was the only gyno in town that took the military insurance. If your wife needed an annual checkup you felt like you had to escort her to the guy's office.

11 posted on 03/11/2006 11:45:54 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: wagglebee
""How does he know that one of these people isn't, for instance, delivering coffee for someone who works there?" she said."

Because people delivering coffee show up in a good many pictures? Actually if the people didn't feel guilty they wouldn't mind having their picture taken, perhaps even with the abortionist and the 'fetus'. I'm sure that bare-arsed bandit last week didn't want his picture taken either.

12 posted on 03/11/2006 11:47:21 AM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Then what is the motivation for doing it?

Of course, if you google "Martin Wishnatsky" and see all the nuisance suits he's been involved in, his eleven votes as a presidential candidate, etc., you'll see he's just a general-purpose goofball. :)


15 posted on 03/11/2006 11:48:42 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: OpusatFR

Excellent post and sentiment. I ditto your comments. This hurts more than it helps. JMO


16 posted on 03/11/2006 11:49:26 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: linda_22003
I was delivering office supplies to a Planned Parenthood office and was told I was going to hell.
I called the office and told them if I was going to eternal damnation, I wanted a pay hike and a extra weeks vacation.
17 posted on 03/11/2006 11:49:45 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( A moose once bit my sister.Mind you, an moose bite can be pretty nasty)
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To: OpusatFR
I don't have any expectation of privacy anywhere in the public sphere, but this just reeks.

Some Christian Charity.

I don't support abortion, but I also don't support this method.

Try prayer instead of harrassment.

***I agree. Harassment of this invasive kind is counter productive. I loathe the abortion industry and abortion worship! Pro-life activism must be noble in its efforts and profound in its reasoning. Street tactics will not work. I would target the Medical professions which have forsaken the Hippocratic Oath for abortion and euthanasia, and for irresponsible pharmaceutical prescriptions.
18 posted on 03/11/2006 11:51:16 AM PST by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: wagglebee

Humiliation doesn't strike me as a particularly effective technique. Does nothing for the aborted baby, and just pisses people off, including me. And I'm a pro-life male.


19 posted on 03/11/2006 11:51:51 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: wagglebee

You don't seem to be getting the support on this thread that you might have anticipated.


20 posted on 03/11/2006 11:52:32 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: wagglebee
It is these tactics that gain great strength for those people supporting abortion on demand.

Those freepers who do not see how bad these tactics are are the very ones who have empowered the pro abortion sector.

I myself, while not supporting abortion on demand, do rebel and revolt against these loons.

Keep it up, but do not cry when the pendulum does not move...
21 posted on 03/11/2006 11:53:58 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: wagglebee; All

"My first instinct is, as disgusting as it is and as dangerous as it is, it's probably legal," she said.


Was she talking about

A) Killing an unborn child.
or
B) Taking a picture with a camera.


22 posted on 03/11/2006 11:54:46 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: proudpapa

C) All of the above.


23 posted on 03/11/2006 11:55:30 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

"If there's a point in doing this besides outright intimidation, would anyone care to say what it is?"

Keeping innocents from being killed?





24 posted on 03/11/2006 11:55:50 AM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: OpusatFR

I agree.

You do need to put "feet on your prayers", but don't be kicking other people with them. Act more like a salesman.


25 posted on 03/11/2006 11:55:59 AM PST by 308MBR ("Ah fell in ta a bhurnin' ring o' far")
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To: PLMerite

I thought the left wanted abortion, to be safe, legal, and rare.

They're a bunch of lyin' hypocrits.


26 posted on 03/11/2006 11:57:01 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: PLMerite

Any evidence that it works?


27 posted on 03/11/2006 11:57:11 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
"Any evidence that it works?"

Probably works as good as telling Johns they are going to have their pictures taken patronizing prostitutes.

28 posted on 03/11/2006 11:59:53 AM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: proudpapa

Well, here are the numbers for North Dakota:

http://www.ndrl.org/stats.html


29 posted on 03/11/2006 11:59:59 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: wagglebee

Where are the pictures?


30 posted on 03/11/2006 12:00:34 PM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: ex-snook

"Probably works as good (sic) as telling Johns they are going to have their pictures taken patronizing prostitutes."

Does that work? I don't know, I'm asking.


31 posted on 03/11/2006 12:00:56 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Mark was here

That's a question I normally see around here about Ann Coulter, Katherine Harris, and Catherine Zeta-Jones!


32 posted on 03/11/2006 12:02:09 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: wagglebee

An anti-abortion activist is posting Internet pictures of women entering an abortion clinic here.



Hey, if other places in this country can put pictures of prostitutes' "Johns" on billboards....then why not do this?


33 posted on 03/11/2006 12:02:36 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam, Religion of Peace and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: linda_22003

Rapid City is in SOUTH Dakota


34 posted on 03/11/2006 12:02:39 PM PST by jwalburg (If I have not seen as far as others, it is because of the giants standing on my shoulders.)
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To: linda_22003

Sorry. I read the whole thing thinking South Dakota because of the dateline. It makes more sense happening in urban ND.


35 posted on 03/11/2006 12:03:48 PM PST by jwalburg (If I have not seen as far as others, it is because of the giants standing on my shoulders.)
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To: linda_22003
If there's a point in doing this besides outright intimidation,would anyone care to say what it is?

Definition of "intimidation" from "dictionary.com"

To make timid; fill with fear.To coerce or inhibit by or as if by threats.

IMO,the publishing of a photograph,in and of itself,doesn't represent "intimidation" any more than my name (and address) appearing on the website of a pro-homosexual marriage organization here in Massachusetts does (there's a long story behind that...feel free to ask for details if you wish).

Although I know nothing about the guy in question,his actions seem,at worst,to be annoying but in no way threatening...assuming these pictures,or the website on which they appear,call for nothing like "women who have abortions deserve the wrath of God".

Certainly,anything even remotely resembling that is way,way out of bounds....and very possibly illegal to boot.

36 posted on 03/11/2006 12:04:01 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Javelina

Pretty critical difference...




Not to the dead baby.


37 posted on 03/11/2006 12:04:02 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam, Religion of Peace and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: wagglebee
A little bit about Martin:

From Amazon, a little about Martin and 1 of his books

Testimony in ND

38 posted on 03/11/2006 12:04:07 PM PST by Always Learning
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To: jwalburg

The story is datelined Fargo, ND.


39 posted on 03/11/2006 12:04:33 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: wagglebee
I am PRO-LIFE, yet I believe this is BS!

To try and talk some one out of abortion is one thing

No one has the right expose and smear others like this!!!

The retribution should be from GOD!!

....THIS IS SO WRONG!!!

40 posted on 03/11/2006 12:05:04 PM PST by SweetCaroline (Homosexuals intention is to serve none but themselves. THE PINK SWASTIKA)
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To: OpusatFR

I agree, it has the same smell as those nutjobs that protest at dead soldier's funerals. There are better ways to accomplish goals. Just like good politics, persuasion is an art, not an intimidation policy.


41 posted on 03/11/2006 12:05:06 PM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect, it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: linda_22003; cpforlife.org; cgk; Mr. Silverback; Coleus
You don't seem to be getting the support on this thread that you might have anticipated.

Over 47 MILLION infants have been slaughtered in the United States in the past 33 years. The people I associate with who want to stop this rampant infanticide are generally more concerned about human life than popularity.

42 posted on 03/11/2006 12:06:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: jwalburg

"Rapid City is in SOUTH Dakota"

It was an Rapid City (South Dakota) Journal article about North Dakota.


43 posted on 03/11/2006 12:06:55 PM PST by Always Learning
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To: USNBandit

Not that you'd want someone with such blood on his hands touching your wife.


44 posted on 03/11/2006 12:10:21 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: trubluolyguy
Hey, if other places in this country can put pictures of prostitutes' "Johns" on billboards....then why not do this?

Good point.With the "johns",at least,the motive behind doing this is obviously not to "intimidate" but to embarrass.Cops and prosecutors don't have to "intimidate" people.The badge,the indictment and the jail cell do that very nicely.

A desire to avoid shame can be a big motivator...for those who are capable of feeling it (which,of course,leaves out the likes of Bill Clinton).

45 posted on 03/11/2006 12:11:03 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: wagglebee

With cameras now in cell phones, you cant really do much and not have everyone know.

Now its 'little' brother and his cell phone and modem that rats out people.


46 posted on 03/11/2006 12:23:27 PM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: OpusatFR

I agree.


47 posted on 03/11/2006 12:24:31 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: wagglebee

"You don't seem to be getting the support on this thread that you might have anticipated."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Neither do the slutty women who want to get rid of the evidence of sex with some guy they slept with. Now, THAT is disgusting (and pretty selfish as well).


48 posted on 03/11/2006 12:25:19 PM PST by cowdog77
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To: wagglebee

Kill the sob.

control freak.


49 posted on 03/11/2006 12:28:03 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: wagglebee
a number of tactics have been used to identify abortion clinic staff members in other parts of the country. She said they can endanger the lives of the staff, and "can get very scary, very quickly."

So I'm sure that based on this, you'll support concealed carry, right, Ms. Ring?

50 posted on 03/11/2006 12:30:57 PM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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