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Townhall.com ^ | 3/12/06 | Mary Grabar

Posted on 03/12/2006 4:13:25 AM PST by Born Conservative

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To: zip

Your post is RIGHT ON. And just think what is in store for this country now that this indoctrination has been going on for over 30 years........ and it is getting worse as we speak.


21 posted on 03/12/2006 5:44:23 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it .)
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To: crescentbeach
Crescent Beach...now that brings back memories. I think we had our senior prom dinner there. Franklin was on the tough side of town, but then so was Madison. That's where I went to highschool. We knew what integration was before it even became law. I remember the race riots in the 60's. I was co-Captain of the cheersquad and the Saturday we were supposed to have a car wash to raise funds for new uniforms, I got a call from the Captain telling me the event was cancelled due to inclement weather. When I told my mother, she said: "Yeah, inclement weather. She really means riots."

Funny thing is that we really didn't have any racial problems at the school that I can recall. And even after the riot(s), things went on as if nothing had ever happened.

22 posted on 03/12/2006 5:48:36 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: GadareneDemoniac
But over the years, I've spent some time pondering what the hell happened to America.

The truth is .......... McCarthy was right. And those old communists/socialists have never left this nation and presently nearly totally control old media (that includes "entertainment") and the public schools.......... nearly all OPINION CREATING INSTITUTIONS.

That is the truth.

****

The old established/liberal/socialist media is America's most ruthless, relentless, and destructive enemy.

Huxley: “ The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth." — Old Media lives these words.

23 posted on 03/12/2006 5:49:56 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it .)
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To: beyond the sea
It's amazing what about a decade could do to the schools.

Indeed. Even a year could be night and day. I'm closer to you and seem to have just missed most of the nonsense. I attended high school in California, in the San Francisco Bay Area, so things changed a bit sooner than in most of the country. My senior year in high school (1966) was pretty much still the 1950s: the big three sports dominated, kids drank (mostly beer) and cruised, went to the drive-in. Girls were still sent home for sweaters that were too tight or skirts that were too short, or wearing jeans except on designated days. It was right out of American Grafitti. By the time we graduated, I doubt more than half a dozen kids in a class of almost 550 had smoked pot. Of course, we all hit college and pot was the rage, but at least we were all 18 and a little more mature.

By the end of the next school, 1967, reliable estimates were something over 2/3 of the seniors (and almost 40% of the whole school) had smoked pot. The dress code was gone, and rock and roll had been replaced by acid rock, and the hippie scene in the Haight-Ashbury was the height of cool.

In college and graduate school, I must have been just ahead of the post-modern nonsense, because I saw none of it. As a result, I had a solid 'modern' education in history, philosophy, economics and the law. I have a lot of sympathy for the article's author who talks about the effect of post-modernism in graduate school. I've tried to read some of the stuff done over the past twenty years or so in my old academic fields, and find it unreadable, often drivel. The worst areas are political science, history and the humanities. In history, the trivial has become the focus of most work, and things involving real ideas seem to be thoroughly out of fashion.

24 posted on 03/12/2006 5:55:02 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Self-indulgent teachers generating a society of even more self-indulgent students.


25 posted on 03/12/2006 5:55:34 AM PST by eggman (Democrat party - The black hole of liberalism from which no rational thought can escape.)
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To: mass55th
About the only time I can remember a discussion in class being off topic was the day President Kennedy was assassinated.

Agreed. I graduated from H.S. in '64. It was all business here in Pittsburgh when I went to school. My father took his own life on a weekend when I was 13 and in ninth grade. My brother, sister, and I went to school the following Monday. There were no counselors or any of that silliness. Things were dealt with, and dealt with well in the family.

Now when there is some little disturbance in a school or some other small thing........ the kids are all getting psychological help. Lord!

26 posted on 03/12/2006 5:57:04 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it .)
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To: CatoRenasci
You and I nearly had the same life and have the same opinions of the education and "educational" literature that we have experienced.

We here in Pittsburgh just didn't get as much sunshine as you lucky folks out in California.

I traveled to Riverside, California to play baseball for my University in March in the late 60's. When we left here it was cold and gray. When we were there for a week it was sunny and warm every day. When we got back here it was blustery and nasty with snow. What a difference. Yoi.

;-)

27 posted on 03/12/2006 6:05:32 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it .)
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To: beyond the sea
To me the category "boomers" ought to be reserved only for those born from around 1946 through around 1956. That was the real boom, that was when the actual explosion of births occurred after the war.

Agree. I was born in 1950 and generally see a huge difference in my generation and those born just seven or eight years later as far as educational experiences in high school.

28 posted on 03/12/2006 6:07:06 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: beyond the sea
It's amazing what about a decade could do to the schools.

I would look even earlier . . . to the fifties and perhaps even to the forties.

Between 1941 and 1946 when Truman ended WWII by Presidential procalmation, more than 16 million Americans had served in the military.  Millions more worked in defense related industries.  We moved from a collection of rather insular enclaves into a much larger world.

One 442nd Regimental Combat Team veteran, speaking at a reunion of the 141st Infantry Regiment, made the startling claim that World War II was a good thing, because it forced us to come together as a nation rather than a hodge-podge of races and ethnicities.  The proof of that was in watching those Japanese Nesei veterans mingle with those 36th "Texas" Infantry Division veterans.  Some of those listening to him owed their lives to him, and to others like him who broke through to rescue the "Lost Battalion."

If you're 59, you may remember watching your favorite serials sitting in front of a radio.  :-) 

But among the very most powerful influences was the WWII G.I. Bill of Rights.  While the troops were still overseas, military newspapers began advertising the Bill and what the G.I.s might do with it--everything from vocational schools to academic degrees.  As a result, something like 850,000 G.I. freshmen stormed the college campuses.  A good number of those became teachers and professors.  By the time Ms. Grabar came along, some where still teaching and some had become administrators.

I would thank that the sudden magical appearance of so many educated farm boys had a dramatic impact upon the country.  Pile onto that the displaced Rosie the Riveters, labor movements, and the not-so-gentle stirrings for racial equality, and you get quite a lot of potential energy set to become kinetic in the sixties.

I wish Ms. Grabar had been a bit more expansive and reflective.

29 posted on 03/12/2006 6:11:27 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Born Conservative
The decline started earlier. Around 1967, I mentioned in a high-school American History class that President Roosevelt declared a bank holiday in 1933, to provide public confidence that the banks were sound.

My teacher had no idea of this, and told me that I made it up. The next day, he came back to class and apologized, because he had looked it up and found that I was right.

30 posted on 03/12/2006 6:13:54 AM PST by Bernard (History repeats itself because people don't change.)
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To: SLB
I was born in 1950 and generally see a huge difference in my generation and those born just seven or eight years later as far as educational experiences in high school.

Yes indeed, I totally agree.

I am SO GLAD I started breathing on this earth in 1947 (a Roswell alien seed).

;-)

31 posted on 03/12/2006 6:14:05 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it .)
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To: CatoRenasci; beyond the sea
From the posts here I guess we are now geezers. I graduated from a small high school in Wyoming 1968. I do not think a person in the school would have known "pot" if it jumped out and bit us. We could put away some beer, but that was it. Even when I went back to the old school three years later after Viet Nam for a year the social activities were about the same.

In my freshman year a girl became pregnant and simply vanished for a year. She came back without the baby, who was put up for adoption.

I did have the misfortune to hit college in 1974. Not a good experience for a conservative to be in. I battled professors on almost every social and political issue. I guess that helped cement my views and now allows me to pass them on to my kids, and I have done a good job there, even it I have to say so.
32 posted on 03/12/2006 6:20:27 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: beyond the sea

Sorry to hear about your Dad's suicide. We had guidance counselors, but they were mostly for curriculum choices and college planning. I can't even remember ever meeting with them. Back then people dealt with death and other problems within the family and were stronger for it.


33 posted on 03/12/2006 6:20:42 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Racehorse
If you're 59, you may remember watching your favorite serials sitting in front of a radio. :-)

LOL.

Yes I actually do remember sitting on the floor of the living room of my grandparents house staring at the radio intently. I was very young but I remember that with fondness. Jack Benny was the favorite ......... "Oh Rochester".

34 posted on 03/12/2006 6:21:01 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it .)
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To: Racehorse
If you're 59, you may remember watching your favorite serials sitting in front of a radio. :-)

We would go to my parent's bedroom on Sunday morning to listen to a radio station from Denver with the Rocky Mountain News Funny Paper Hour.

35 posted on 03/12/2006 6:23:27 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: mass55th
Back then people dealt with death and other problems within the family and were stronger for it.

Yes. Now they counsel a student if they get upset when someone ridicules the color of their shirt. So these kids grow up thinking that they can resort to comfort and commiseration all the time. It's sick.

Then they get out in the real world and can't cope.

36 posted on 03/12/2006 6:24:28 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it .)
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To: Racehorse

The GI Bill had its good points, but it also created a demand for faculty that exceeded the supply of qualified scholars. Also, we have had too many seats in an overbuilt college system ever since. Two reasons for nonsense on campus. Read Horowitz's list of 101 Professors who are teaching bogus subjects like 250 Peace Studies departments, ethnic studies etc.


37 posted on 03/12/2006 6:45:28 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: beyond the sea

I agree with your timeline for "boomers." I've noticed that my birthdate is sometimes associated with the "boomer" period along with my mom and dad, which never seemed accurate. Now, I realize your "boomer" period excludes not only me, but my folks, too. Oh, well.


38 posted on 03/12/2006 6:48:28 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin. Bush is a globalist.)
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To: Born Conservative; martin_fierro; ClearCase_guy; beyond the sea; The_Media_never_lie; Racehorse; ...
Most of the posts have been nostalgic reminiscences.

What do you think can be done about it?

What are you doing specifically for your own families?

In my case, I homeschooled 3 of my 4 children. They are adults now and planning to homeschool my grandchildren.

Thankfully, most students do graduate and go on to work in the private sector. They do learn that their bosses are not capitalistic pigs, and that the government takes a huge bite of their paycheck. They see first hand the worth and good that the products made by their companies does for humanity.

Thankfully, we have talk radio. Rush Limbaugh is likely the most influential person in America undoing the damage done by the government schools. I wish he would spent more time on the topic of government schools. Other radio talk host personalities do though, and thank goodness for that. Fox is always quick to report on government school absurdities.
39 posted on 03/12/2006 6:48:45 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Born Conservative

Thomas Sowell's "Inside American Education" documents numerous ways teachers attack parental authority.

Teachers have asked third-graders, "How many of you ever wanted to beat up your parents?"

In a high school health class, students were asked, "How many of you hate your parents?"


40 posted on 03/12/2006 7:14:41 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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