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Report: Drug Traces Found in Milosevic
forbes.com ^ | 03.12.2006, 01:46 PM | AP

Posted on 03/12/2006 11:41:21 AM PST by Proctor

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To: Proctor

it is sad to see how FR devolves into fairly spiteful posts and name-calling when a thread like this is posted. Regardless of a person's views on the serbian bombing campaign, milosevik and the various atrocities committed or allegedly committed by both sides (albanian and serb), etc., it should be fairly disturbing that a political prisoner is arbitrarily denied health care by the provider of choice (russia) and when he dies a month later, no non-UN controlled autopsy will be performed, which is going to leave conspiracy theorists with some valid reasons to doubt whatever they are told.

I don't care if it is stalin himself being held, the possible murder or murder through medical negligence of prisoners due to the difficulty of a successful prosecution is not the way things need to work. I know there are folks who think it is ok, but letting an unaccountable body like the WCT get away with this only emboldens it.

I assume we will be told this was an accidental medicinal interaction that killed him.


51 posted on 03/12/2006 1:01:32 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Proctor

he was about to spill the beans on Whitewater.


52 posted on 03/12/2006 1:02:10 PM PST by isom35
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To: Proctor
You are on the other hand a UN Court pimp. The UN's useful idiot.

Somebody get Proctor his high blood-pressure medication!!!

:-D

 

53 posted on 03/12/2006 1:03:29 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: WoofDog123

Yeah! What you said!


54 posted on 03/12/2006 1:04:44 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: MamaLucci

Hold your calls, folks, we have a winner!


55 posted on 03/12/2006 1:08:03 PM PST by umbagi (Monthly Donor [entry level])
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To: Proctor
I fully expect the full Jack Nicholson treatment on this one. Our political rulers will graciously avoid the truth since it is well established that we are unable to handle it. It would just be too, too hard on us.
56 posted on 03/12/2006 1:08:08 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Cicero
So. Did they decide to poison him for fear they couldn't convict? The ultimate kangaroo court.

This kangaroo court has done the worst thing for their side, they have martyred Milosevic.

57 posted on 03/12/2006 1:08:18 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: InterceptPoint

I wonder if Oliver Stone will be making this into a movie soon.


58 posted on 03/12/2006 1:11:13 PM PST by mware (A teacher of geography.)
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To: Hoplite
Stepping into Destro's shoes, are we? Good for you.

And you are trying to step into Fusion shoes? It might be difficult as Fusion had poetic talent.

59 posted on 03/12/2006 1:13:03 PM PST by A. Pole (Fusion: "The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.")
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To: M203M4
Your commie hero died (suicide). Deal with it.

Today they poison a Commie, tomorrow they might poison you.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
   because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
   because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
   because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
   because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
   and there was no one left to speak out for me.

(Pastor Martin Niemoeller) 

60 posted on 03/12/2006 1:16:20 PM PST by A. Pole (Fusion: "The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.")
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To: Paul C. Jesup
This kangaroo court has done the worst thing for their side, they have martyred Milosevic.

They had no choice - they were losing the case.

61 posted on 03/12/2006 1:17:54 PM PST by A. Pole (Fusion: "The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.")
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To: Proctor

No, the UN coddled him (as would you).

Sad.


62 posted on 03/12/2006 1:20:04 PM PST by GAD
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To: A. Pole
They had no choice - they were losing the case.

That's because those fools were to shortsighted, if they had let Milosevic win the case it would have legitimized the World Court by stating that you can be found innocent and let go.

Now, with them killing Milosevic, they have destroyed any legitimacy they may have had by them stating that if they cannot find a person guilty, they will just kill them before the trial ends.

Milosevic would have probably died within ten years anyway and he would have died in obscurity, all but forgotten, but now he is martyred and will probably be remembered for a lot longer.

Along with that, people now can use Milosevic's death as a justification to disband the world court in that anyone charged by the world court can now state that they will not get a fair trial and if they cannot be found guilty, they will be killed by the world court before the trial ends.

63 posted on 03/12/2006 1:27:05 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: WoofDog123
What that poster did was an attempt to hijack the discussion and create a diversion.

He lied - and used an easily checked lie to say I said Clinton should go to the Hague. He lied, got caught in a lie and lost all credibility and limped away.

The issue (to me anyway) is the UN Court and the concepts behind it not so much sympathy for Slobo beyond the sympathy Christ teaches us we should have for all people.

This is pure conservatism as handed down by our Founding Fathers. Did not patriots John Adams and Josiah Quincy defend the Redcoats against charges from the Boston Massacre and acquitted all Redcoats but two?

64 posted on 03/12/2006 1:28:23 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: GAD
No, the UN coddled him (as would you). Sad.

What is sad is you would cheer a "UN court" poisoning a prisoner.

Thug life, y'all!

65 posted on 03/12/2006 1:31:09 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

Milosevic dead - lawyers deeply saddened.


66 posted on 03/12/2006 1:31:35 PM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: Proctor
This is the THIRD so called anti communist type on FreeRepublic that approach me here but are in fact pimping for the UN court and its form of international justice.

It seems they are now reduced to arguing that Milosevic had it coming because he was a communist. There are lots of communist leaders who are/were more cozy with Islamic terrorists and more of a threat to the US than Milosevic, like all of them, but the communist who was no threat to the US and defended his people against Islamic invasion is the one who "had it coming".

It's very hard for these people to face the fact that we didn't go to war against the Serbs because Milosevic was a communist, you think Clinton minded that? No, we went to war against the Serbs because they were Christians standing in the way of an Islamic invasion of Europe.

67 posted on 03/12/2006 1:34:08 PM PST by Jim_Curtis
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To: Proctor

i am not just referring to that part of the thread, there are a number of folks sounding very glad he died in jail and not at all interested in the circumstances.

this sort of insulated, unaccountable bureacratism keeping and possibly disposing of prisoners is the face of the future, if the globalists have their way. I think a lot of freepers don't take into account that a fair trial with possibility of acquital, particularly in a political case, is not well known in most of the world - the WCT is just mimicking its constituents.


68 posted on 03/12/2006 1:40:30 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Jim_Curtis
It seems they are now reduced to arguing that Milosevic had it coming because he was a communist. There are lots of communist leaders who are/were more cozy with Islamic terrorists and more of a threat to the US than Milosevic, like all of them, but the communist who was no threat to the US and defended his people against Islamic invasion is the one who "had it coming".

And there are Communist/former Communist leaders in Eastern Europe who sided with America.

69 posted on 03/12/2006 1:42:34 PM PST by A. Pole (Fusion: "The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.")
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To: Paul C. Jesup; A. Pole; Incorrigible; WoofDog123
Paul C. Jesup stated: That's because those fools were to shortsighted, if they had let Milosevic win the case it would have legitimized the World Court by stating that you can be found innocent and let go.

Slobo would have then been arrested in the Hague and sent back to Belgrade to face (true) charges.

Paul C. Jesup thinks like a rational person.

Paul, I would submit to you my thoughts as I stated them to a.pole.

The so called ICTY court was supposed to serve 2 purposes - one was a political one as a weapon against resistance in Yugoslavia. The other was to serve as a pilot court for the establishment of the UN's International criminal court.

They did not count on Slobo outfighting them and delaying their case and the UN Court came into being without the glory the trial of Slobo was supposed to shower such a court. In fact the way the Slobo trial was being badly conducted served as a rallying point for those against the UN Intl. Criminal Court. Slobo came close to sabotaging its coming into being.

The other reason - to use Slobo as a tool to make the Serbs compliant and remorseful and accepting of domination failed as well. Serbian resistance to the international community stiffened.

The verdict meant nothing in the context of the above failures.

The show trial was always supposed to end with Slobo being found guilty of genocide. If that happened now people would scoff at the verdict. If they found him innocent of genocide and guilty of the lesser counts that would have made a mockery of the court as well because the international community would be made to look foolish after we were told for years Slobo was Hitler.

He had to die in this manner. In fact I think the trial was delayed by the prosecution this long waiting for him to die before the verdict would be possible.

70 posted on 03/12/2006 1:43:28 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Jim_Curtis

Thank you and well stated.


71 posted on 03/12/2006 1:44:11 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: WoofDog123
this sort of insulated, unaccountable bureacratism keeping and possibly disposing of prisoners is the face of the future, if the globalists have their way. I think a lot of freepers don't take into account that a fair trial with possibility of acquital, particularly in a political case, is not well known in most of the world - the WCT is just mimicking its constituents.

To true mindful conservatives such people chill the bone. What do they stand for? Statist-Triumphalism?

72 posted on 03/12/2006 1:45:47 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor
Traces of a drug used to treat leprosy and tuberculosis

So did he have leprosy ? TB ?
73 posted on 03/12/2006 1:45:48 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: M203M4
You better NOT be calling GOOD conservative FReepers NAZIS.... BOY!!

Who the heck are YOU to call anybody a nazi???

YOU must be some LIBERAL KNOW-NOTHING CLINTON LOVER!! They call all their oposition nazis!!

You remind me of that Benish guy in Colorado... calling the GOP and conservatives "nazi, nazi, nazi... all the time"!!

74 posted on 03/12/2006 1:47:20 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: festus; A. Pole

No - mixing of that drug with hypertension medication causes heart failure. Loss of blood pressure and would not be tested for if Slobo did not catch the UN doctors slipping him the drug. He asked for help about his poisoning one day before he was found dead.


75 posted on 03/12/2006 1:48:28 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

yeah it is pretty hard to rationally argue when a man says he is being poisoned after being denied treatment by the preferred medical team/country and is found dead the next day.....obviously something is greatly amiss.


76 posted on 03/12/2006 1:51:36 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Proctor
He had to die in this manner. In fact I think the trial was delayed by the prosecution this long waiting for him to die before the verdict would be possible.

There is a very old, sometimes forgotten, rule in politics; you don't ever martyr your political enemies, because said martyr(s) can be used as a propaganda rallying point by your other enemies to destroy you.

By killing Milosevic, the World Court has destroyed itself, it just may take a few years for the effects to be felt by the World Court.

77 posted on 03/12/2006 1:52:51 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: WoofDog123

Thank you. You're one of the very few voices of reason on this thread.


78 posted on 03/12/2006 1:58:49 PM PST by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

You know it was murder when the UN prosecutor puts up a trial balloon before the autopsy that maybe Slobo committed suicide just in case they found an anomaly in his blood during the autopsy. This strikes me as a panic murder - they decided to do it quick after Slobo wrote that letter to the Russians. He found them slipping him the leprosy drug which does not mix with his heart medicine and he had to be dispatched quick.


79 posted on 03/12/2006 1:59:36 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor
Thank you for trying to keep the discussion to the issue at hand - not the guilt or innocence of Milosevic - but the indications that he may have been murdered (although the result of the possible poisoning would be a natural death which can be ascribed to his underlying disease) while being held imprisoned, facing a UN court.

Recent news says that the official verdict will be "heart attack". The problem is of course that if he was given rifampicin this would have drastically reduce the effectiveness of his anti-hypertensive medication - which could explain the difficulty his doctors experienced keeping his hypertension in check. The increased blood pressure would increase the risk of cardiac events and cerebral hemorrhages.

It will be very interesting to see if this report re the leprosy / tbc medication is confirmed.

PS: Medication with rifampicin at least initially colours the body fluids like urine, tears, spit, etc red. Just so you know what to look out for..... :-)

ScaniaBoy
80 posted on 03/12/2006 2:09:14 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
A poster assumed it was rifampicin.

The drug currently is only identified the drug as an anti Leprosy drug.

81 posted on 03/12/2006 2:14:34 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: A. Pole; Hoplite; Proctor
Hate to burst your bubble there hoplite but Proctor is NOT anybody called 'destro'... I know the person and it is not a destro.

LOL!!!!

It so like you to accuse folks of stuff that you yourself may be doing.

Gen. clark, Gen Trainor, Gen ceku, madd maddie albright,christina amanpour, dan rather, muhammed suca-bee and other members of clinton's "DEVIL, Inc." would be so proud of you. PERHAPS YOU ARE REAL PROUD OF YOURSELF TOO!!

By the way... I do not like CATS too much and the rascals make me sneeze. But I knew some folks in my area who absolutely ADORED them!!

82 posted on 03/12/2006 2:26:10 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Proctor

Yes, I've seen that - that's why it will be interesting to see if there will be any official statements.

However, rifampicin (which is a medicine used both against leprosy and tuberculosis) would have been an ideal drug to hamper with M's treatment and thus, incapacitate him.


83 posted on 03/12/2006 2:27:33 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Lion in Winter
Hate to burst your bubble there hoplite but Proctor is NOT anybody called 'destro'... I know the person and it is not a destro.

And Hoplite is not Fusion. I want Fusion back, please!

84 posted on 03/12/2006 2:28:04 PM PST by A. Pole (Fusion: "The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.")
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To: Paul C. Jesup

And, for that killing of the world court, we should be grateful.


85 posted on 03/12/2006 2:28:08 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: ScaniaBoy
'Leprosy drug in Milosevic's blood'
86 posted on 03/12/2006 2:28:33 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Hoplite
Sorry, I should have address it to you too.

"And Hoplite is not Fusion. I want Fusion back, please!"

87 posted on 03/12/2006 2:29:21 PM PST by A. Pole (Fusion: "The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.")
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To: Proctor; armymarinemom
It was armymarinemom who first suggested rifampicin, to give her her due.
88 posted on 03/12/2006 2:32:11 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; armymarinemom
She gets props!

Well there you have it. Will the 'UN Police' investigate?

89 posted on 03/12/2006 2:33:49 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

"Milosevic was the sixth war crimes suspect from the Balkans to die at The Hague. A week earlier, convicted Croatian Serb leader Milan Babic killed himself in the same prison. He had been a star prosecution witness against Milosevic."

This is from another thread - that is an amazing number of deaths in custody. Anyone really believe they are all natural causes or suicides?


90 posted on 03/12/2006 2:35:21 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: A. Pole

Fusion? I cannot remember that one.


91 posted on 03/12/2006 2:37:14 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Lion in Winter; A. Pole

LOL - Check out the keywords that the UN lovers entered for this thread.


92 posted on 03/12/2006 2:43:16 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

LOL!! Look at again, Bro!


93 posted on 03/12/2006 2:45:21 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Lion in Winter; cripplecreek
I think 'Cripplecreek' is adding those lines in the comments section. I scorched his tail and he is reduced to screwing up the 'keyword' search words.

Unstable personality type.

94 posted on 03/12/2006 2:54:38 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: M203M4; Lion in Winter; cripplecreek
Modification: I think 'Cripplecreek' and or M203M4 are adding those lines in the comments section. I scorched their tails and they are reduced to screwing up the 'keyword' search words. I recognize the phrases they used to me.

Unstable personality types. Most UN supporters are.

95 posted on 03/12/2006 3:01:32 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Jim_Curtis

"...we went to war against the Serbs because they were Christians standing in the way of an Islamic invasion of Europe."

Yup...that's the awful truth, right there.

What fools we were to back the KLA.

Ed


96 posted on 03/12/2006 3:25:23 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Proctor
You have to hear Scrapplevoice over at Scrappleface Milosevic Death Won’t Slow War Crimes Trial
97 posted on 03/12/2006 3:45:27 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Lion in Winter; Proctor
Hate to burst your bubble there hoplite but Proctor is NOT anybody called 'destro'... I know the person and it is not a destro.

Well let's just ask him, shall we?

Yo, Proctor - you the same dude who used to post here as "Destro"?

Before you answer, take a look at the last three articles you posted here on FR and then see when they appear over on LF and who posted them.

Piggybacking the Ireland Online and Xinhuanet articles onto the same post and then replicating the bolding on both forums would be kind of a dead giveaway, if such a thing exists.

There, there, Lion. You don't know any better, I understand.

98 posted on 03/12/2006 3:45:48 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: armymarinemom

LOL - funny and maybe even true!


99 posted on 03/12/2006 3:48:26 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Hoplite; Lion in Winter

People are welcomed to copy my research and post it at will. Maybe the journalists who write these articles in the first place are really Destro as well?


100 posted on 03/12/2006 3:50:14 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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